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WoW's launch was FAR worse for the first month, get over yourselves!

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  • krakra70krakra70 Member Posts: 122

    Are you seriously comparing a 2004 to a 2012 launch? alright let's do it.

    1) 11.000 accounts werent hacked in the first week of WoW's launch.

    2) The game was more than playable on even low end computers (unlike gw2)

    3) it was beta tested extensively (open betas in europe and korea) unlike gw2

    4) people didn't reach max level in 2 days.

    5) no gold spammers everywhere (hey, you wanted to compare 2004 to 2012 launches)

    6) endgame actually existed

    7) most importantly: WoW's population kept increasing for 4 years, while GW2 is on a steady decline as of last sunday (check xfire statistics)

  • EmerwynEmerwyn Member Posts: 70

    WoW? You mean a 8 years old game?

     

    Here I was thinking I read somewhere that GW2 was "evolution".

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mothanos

    Hate hate hate and more hate, who cares ? within a year no1 will remember that the trading post was offline for 7 days.....or a part of a story line dint continue.

    I am having such a great time in GW2, it exceeded all my expectation, this is the mmo for me and my wife for years and years to come.

    let haters hate, who cares about basement dwelling kids with rage issues :)

    You're saying this in a thread bringing up WOW's launch problems in 04 :D

     

    There goes that Ironic Bird again.... Swoooooooshhh!

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  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mothanos

    Hate hate hate and more hate, who cares ? within a year no1 will remember that the trading post was offline for 7 days.....or a part of a story line dint continue.

    I am having such a great time in GW2, it exceeded all my expectation, this is the mmo for me and my wife for years and years to come.

    let haters hate, who cares about basement dwelling kids with rage issues :)

    You're saying this in a thread bringing up WOW's launch problems in 04 :D

     

    There goes that Ironic Bird again.... Swoooooooshhh!

     So compare it to SWTOR, Aion, and Rift then.  Rift had a good launch for sure, better than GW2.  But SWTOR and Aion both had worse launches (IMO) than GW2 because of the login queues.

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Fadedbomb

    Just wanted to point out that when a product has far more attention given than previously expected, problems arise.

     

    This has happened multiple times in the past, and the most notable example is WoW's first month of launch.

     

    I'd also like to point out that I am the most neutral person towards GW2 as it comes (check my post history). I've been around, and seen it all. This is NOTHING NEW, and you're not as special or an isolated little snow flake that you believe yourself to be.

     

    Yes, you paid money, and you demand service for said money in return. However, keep in mind YOU chose to invest into a BUY TO PLAY product. This ultimately means you have ZERO complaints allowed with regard to customer service quality as it is EXPECTED to be lesser than a PayToPlay MMO.

     

    It was YOUR choice, now sit there like adults and wait like everyone else.

     

    /rant-off

     

     

    You can start complaining if by October there are still rampant issues.

    Blizzard had absolutely no way to effectively predict what happened to them in 2004.

    When MMOs were measured in the hundreds of thousands, What would have been an optimistic top end that they could have forseeably expected?  Now multiply that times 10. WoW's launch issues had no way to be predicted and nothing like it had ever been seen before. This is not the case with GW2.

    So now in 2012 after other companies have had successful launches, we have to go back to WoW and try to compare apples to oranges?

  • NevulusNevulus Member UncommonPosts: 1,288

    The people going overboard are only doing so to either troll, instigate, or reciprocate the gw2 fanboyism that runs rampant on some threads. Ignore them  :)

     

     

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by krakra70

    Are you seriously comparing a 2004 to a 2012 launch? alright let's do it.

    1) 11.000 accounts werent hacked in the first week of WoW's launch.

    2) The game was more than playable on even low end computers (unlike gw2)

    3) it was beta tested extensively (open betas in europe and korea) unlike gw2

    4) people didn't reach max level in 2 days.

    5) no gold spammers everywhere (hey, you wanted to compare 2004 to 2012 launches)

    6) endgame actually existed

    7) most importantly: WoW's population kept increasing for 4 years, while GW2 is on a steady decline as of last sunday (check xfire statistics)

    1.  No, but they sure made up for that once hackers realize the value in it.  WoW will always be the most hacked MMORPG (by % of users) and nothing will ever come remotely close.  

    2.  Except for the loot lag and rubber banding issues.  GW2's launch is better for this reason alone

    3.  Yet it still had issues like number 2, beta testing doesnt solve everything

    4.  Has nothing to do with quality of launch, but you know that and are just trolling anyway

    5.  Ive gotten a grand total of one gold spam mail and have yet to see anything in a chat channel.  Even though it hadnt caught on yet, I still think the gold spam was worse in WoW than GW2 week one.

    6.  Wow, one raid!  And the level 60 zone wasnt complete at launch (silithus).  GW2 has more to do at max level than WoW did.  But hey, WoW did have that one raid...

    7.  I will bet that WoW had less hours logged its first wednesday than its first saturday too.  

     

    0-7, thanks for playing

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mothanos

    Hate hate hate and more hate, who cares ? within a year no1 will remember that the trading post was offline for 7 days.....or a part of a story line dint continue.

    I am having such a great time in GW2, it exceeded all my expectation, this is the mmo for me and my wife for years and years to come.

    let haters hate, who cares about basement dwelling kids with rage issues :)

    You're saying this in a thread bringing up WOW's launch problems in 04 :D

     

    There goes that Ironic Bird again.... Swoooooooshhh!

     So compare it to SWTOR, Aion, and Rift then.  Rift had a good launch for sure, better than GW2.  But SWTOR and Aion both had worse launches (IMO) than GW2 because of the login queues.

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

     

    It all comes down to perception I was in Aion and SW:TOR launches both on opening day and other than 2 hour queues in Aion (these lasted about  one week) and about 15 minute queues in SW:TOR (RP server FTW!) they both played well for me, Aion's being the better one because the Cryengine is supremely better than the Hero engine,  I could say that GW2 was worse though i'm only observing at this point and I did not see complaints in either of those two forums about login, product registration, email verification problem that basically stop many people from playing especially in the EU and being in the EU myself thats a big deal. 

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  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Because it's less fun to post the truth on a forum, much better to lie or exaggerate instead.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Creslin321

     So compare it to SWTOR, Aion, and Rift then.  Rift had a good launch for sure, better than GW2.  But SWTOR and Aion both had worse launches (IMO) than GW2 because of the login queues.

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    For TOR I started the launch build a week and a half after release (a xmas gift), AOC three weeks after, WAR two months after, EQ2 about 3 weeks (a gift from a friend) to put it simply that's the time to gauge a MMO launch IMO. As the problems that are there to stay are there, the community is settling down from the hectic nature of release, and the experience is closer to what it's meant to be.

    It will probably be a couple weeks before I begin GW2, as for comparing it to TOR, the only real problems I saw in TOR were weird stuttering at the start of the Alderran BG ( during the speeder ride). A 10 minute queue here and there to get on during EST prime time (on The Fatman) lastly Graphical weirdness in cutscenes. Compared to those others I mentioned above TOR was off to a great start only a week and a half after launch.

    I said before GW2 performed better (less graphical weirdness) during those two BWE's I tried, if that's the case GW2 will be slightly better.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Here's a new idea.

    Let's judge Arena Net and GW2 on the merits on Arena Net and GW2 instead of Blizzard and WoW.  And for the record, I had a lot of fun playing through the launch issues. Even though I couldn't sell my stuff. Even though, I had to change servers a few times until all my freinds and I were on the same server, even though the guild I was in initially got deleted by ANET. I still logged in every day and played. I simpley enjoyed what was available for me.

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Imagine a new cell phone launching in 2012 without a touchscreen, internet access, and a color LCD display.  

    Point being, we don't judge modern products by the same standards with which similar products were judged in the past.  WoW got away with it due to there being far less competition on the market, and due to Blizzard attracting an army of devoted fanboys and fans of the Warcraft RTS.  GW2's launch likely won't define its future success.  After all, they've got the army of fanboys already.

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Because it's less fun to post the truth on a forum, much better to lie or exaggerate instead.

     

    So all the people that had serious problems were all lying even though Arenanet admitted to all the problems people brought up? And I didn't see these types of gamebreaking problems in Aion, Rift, CO, SW:TOR forums at launch what happened to the Teakbois that posts in the Rift forum?

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  • NikkitaNikkita Member Posts: 790
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mothanos

    Hate hate hate and more hate, who cares ? within a year no1 will remember that the trading post was offline for 7 days.....or a part of a story line dint continue.

    I am having such a great time in GW2, it exceeded all my expectation, this is the mmo for me and my wife for years and years to come.

    let haters hate, who cares about basement dwelling kids with rage issues :)

    You're saying this in a thread bringing up WOW's launch problems in 04 :D

     

    There goes that Ironic Bird again.... Swoooooooshhh!

     So compare it to SWTOR, Aion, and Rift then.  Rift had a good launch for sure, better than GW2.  But SWTOR and Aion both had worse launches (IMO) than GW2 because of the login queues.

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Since when one single launch issue makes the entire launch bad? it is a sum of many factors that count. But if this is how you want to cherry pick issues i can also do the same and pick one issue in GW2 and make it look worse in comparison to SWTOR or AIon. Would that be the right thing to do?

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  • MindTriggerMindTrigger Member Posts: 2,596
    Originally posted by MrReality
    GW2 ranks up ther as one of the worst launched games since WoW, get over yourself mr op.  It isn't the worst game but the launch was horrendous. Thats a fact.

    Horrendous for who?  I've been playing since early release, and other than a few minor annoyances like too much overflow due to server popularity, I've basically played without a single hitch every day since.

    I know some people have had various issues, but to call the entire launch horrendous is pure hyperbole.  If you want to say it was horrendous FOR YOU, then by all means, go for it.

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Because it's less fun to post the truth on a forum, much better to lie or exaggerate instead.

     

    So all the people that had serious problems were all lying even though Arenanet admitted to all the problems people brought up? And I didn't see these types of gamebreaking problems in Aion, Rift, CO, SW:TOR forums at launch what happened to the Teakbois that posts in the Rift forum?

    There arent any gamebreaking problems though.  The game is playable.  Yeah, of course there are bugs in a game with over 1000 scripted events.  But none of them are remotely gamebreaking in any way.   The servers were down during pre launch one morning, but not since then.   I don't consider a 3 day wait time for hacked accounts a huge issue, I really don't, especially when it certainly doesnt appear to be Arenanet's fault accounts got hacked.

    And you don't remember the SW:TOR launch well, remember the ability delay issue?  How many threads were there on that one issue alone?

    Rift had a security flaw, and had to install coinlock early on its lifetime.

     

    You said you are only observing, without playing its impossible to tell if anything gamebreaking is happening.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Imagine a new cell phone launching in 2012 without a touchscreen, internet access, and a color LCD display.  

    Point being, we don't judge modern products by the same standards with which similar products were judged in the past.  WoW got away with it due to there being far less competition on the market, and due to Blizzard attracting an army of devoted fanboys and fans of the Warcraft RTS.  GW2's launch likely won't define its future success.  After all, they've got the army of fanboys already.

    Yet no MMO in history has alunched with even 1/100th of the amount of scripted events that are in GW2.  No other MMORPG has launched with a game wide auction house with likely 2 million users that can post buy lines for items.  GW2 isnt doing the same thing as WoW did so the comparison is valid enough.

     

    The one exception is the account security features, which is an issue that is avoidable on the user's end anyway.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Because it's less fun to post the truth on a forum, much better to lie or exaggerate instead.

     

    So all the people that had serious problems were all lying even though Arenanet admitted to all the problems people brought up? And I didn't see these types of gamebreaking problems in Aion, Rift, CO, SW:TOR forums at launch what happened to the Teakbois that posts in the Rift forum?

    This isn't the Rift forum.

    Speaking of....I wonder how their expansion launch will go?

  • sugar4freesugar4free Member Posts: 26

    WHO THE F...K CARES ABOUT OLD GAMES ???

     

    TELL ME WHO ?

     

    YOU LIKE GW 2 ? GOOD FOR YOU.

    YOU DON'T LIKE GW 2 ? BAD FOR YOU. MOVE ON.

     

    wanna play panda fishing ? good for you.

    wanna go and kill yourself by committing suicide in a rift ? good for you. DO IT!

     

    xDDD

     

    and for all those xfire pro epeener braindead raped BMKs:   xfire DOESN'T SAY SHIT ! (not for good and not for bad)

     

    /99baloons

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  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Because it's less fun to post the truth on a forum, much better to lie or exaggerate instead.

     

    So all the people that had serious problems were all lying even though Arenanet admitted to all the problems people brought up? And I didn't see these types of gamebreaking problems in Aion, Rift, CO, SW:TOR forums at launch what happened to the Teakbois that posts in the Rift forum?

    There arent any gamebreaking problems though.  The game is playable.  Yeah, of course there are bugs in a game with over 1000 scripted events.  But none of them are remotely gamebreaking in any way.   The servers were down during pre launch one morning, but not since then.   I don't consider a 3 day wait time for hacked accounts a huge issue, I really don't, especially when it certainly doesnt appear to be Arenanet's fault accounts got hacked.

    And you don't remember the SW:TOR launch well, remember the ability delay issue?  How many threads were there on that one issue alone?

    Rift had a security flaw, and had to install coinlock early on its lifetime.

     

    You said you are only observing, without playing its impossible to tell if anything gamebreaking is happening.

     

    By gamebreaking I mean players that could not login in for the whole day on the 26th in the EU and in US for a few hours, the same problem arose on the 28th, many people couldn't register the product, email verifications was broken for many the first week, the trade post was down for 10 days thats gamebreaking for crafters, many could get there HOM rewards for the first few days and were pissed and there are more. It wouldn't be to far fetched to say you are doing the opposite to many and downplaying these facts from the first week of launch that makes GW2 launch the worst launch since AOC. And the fact we are stil seeing threads like this one over two weeks since headstart tells us a lot about how "smooth" it went.

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  • sugar4freesugar4free Member Posts: 26
    Originally posted by Calerxes

    By gamebreaking I mean players that could not login in for the whole day on the 26th in the EU and in US for a few hours, the same problem arose on the 28th, many people couldn't register the product, email verifications was broken for many the first week, the trade post was down for 10 days thats gamebreaking for crafters, many could get there HOM rewards for the first few days and were pissed and there are more. It wouldn't be to far fetched to say you are doing the opposite to many and downplaying these facts from the first week of launch that makes GW2 launch the worst launch since AOC. And the fact we are stil seeing threads like this one over two weeks since headstart tells us a lot about how "smooth" it went.

    I guess now for sure you'll ask for a gaming time refund, won't you ?   LOL

     

    btw, are you sure you were present at Age of Conan launch ? 

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  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    So even with contempary comparisons...I don't see how GW2's launch is as terrible as a lot of folks here are making it out to be.

    Because it's less fun to post the truth on a forum, much better to lie or exaggerate instead.

     

    So all the people that had serious problems were all lying even though Arenanet admitted to all the problems people brought up? And I didn't see these types of gamebreaking problems in Aion, Rift, CO, SW:TOR forums at launch what happened to the Teakbois that posts in the Rift forum?

    This isn't the Rift forum.

    Speaking of....I wonder how their expansion launch will go?

     

    But its still a Teakbois post.

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  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by sugar4free
    Originally posted by Calerxes

    By gamebreaking I mean players that could not login in for the whole day on the 26th in the EU and in US for a few hours, the same problem arose on the 28th, many people couldn't register the product, email verifications was broken for many the first week, the trade post was down for 10 days thats gamebreaking for crafters, many could get there HOM rewards for the first few days and were pissed and there are more. It wouldn't be to far fetched to say you are doing the opposite to many and downplaying these facts from the first week of launch that makes GW2 launch the worst launch since AOC. And the fact we are stil seeing threads like this one over two weeks since headstart tells us a lot about how "smooth" it went.

    I guess now for sure you'll ask for a gaming time refund, won't you ?   LOL

     

    btw, are you sure you were present at Age of Conan launch ? 

     

    No in those days I was partying and having lots of sex no time for MMORPG's... AH!! the memories.image

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  • eGumballeGumball Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by fahadjafar
    the thing is WOW is a 7 year old game. and gw2 is a brand new one. but despite being a new generation game, having all kind of new technology available these days in their disposal, anet is facing the same problem WoW showed 7 years ago when they 1st released. so to many people it is fail. although i am not one of them. i always say "patience is a great virtue". 60$ for a game, 8$ per hour part time job salary, 60/8= 7.5 hrs. so after purchasing the game if you have played at elast 8 hours you got your money back, no point crying and whinning.

     

    So why did Dibalo 3 had launch issues then ?! Your arguments are totally wrong, since Blizzard actually is the company behind WoW and Diablo 3, which means that Blizzard is probably the company that should have learned from their old mistakes. However, why did they ahd issues with their new game ?!

    Money ?! .. well, Blizzard is the biggest gaming company in the world right now, so I don´t think that this is the right answer.

    Get over it buddy, don´t cry and accept that Guild Wars 2 is actually the new best title in the market. The most people are having a blast, and the minority who are still sitting in the corner, crying for their empty game .. can be considered as the ones with the wrong opinion .. because who cares of what you think. Do you really think that your voice will be heard ?! 

    You are a minority of haters, that will always get facepalmed!

  • sugar4freesugar4free Member Posts: 26
    Originally posted by eGumball
    Originally posted by fahadjafar
    the thing is WOW is a 7 year old game. and gw2 is a brand new one. but despite being a new generation game, having all kind of new technology available these days in their disposal, anet is facing the same problem WoW showed 7 years ago when they 1st released. so to many people it is fail. although i am not one of them. i always say "patience is a great virtue". 60$ for a game, 8$ per hour part time job salary, 60/8= 7.5 hrs. so after purchasing the game if you have played at elast 8 hours you got your money back, no point crying and whinning.

     

    So why did Dibalo 3 had launch issues then ?! Your arguments are totally wrong, since Blizzard actually is the company behind WoW and Diablo 3, which means that Blizzard is probably the company that should have learned from their old mistakes. However, why did they ahd issues with their new game ?!

    Money ?! .. well, Blizzard is the biggest gaming company in the world right now, so I don´t think that this is the right answer.

    assuming diablo 3 = mmorpg  ====> braindead

    (then there are ppl who even critized diablo 3not having an "ENDGAME".... ===> hack n' slash with endgame, eh ?

    I mean f...k, what weed do you peeps smoke, eh ?  facepalm)

     

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