Originally posted by Sylvii Hard for me to put it any better than what you summed up. Still salty got suckered into $80.05 collector edition 9/22/10 after having fun beta testing. deserving of the dismal 5.1 score anything under 7 in not worth your time.
And it's unfortunate you're going to carry that "saltiness" with you, especially as the game has been improving quite a lot since Yoshi took over.
I was bitter about it as well. Well, more in disbelief that they'd botched it so badly, really. I was quite vocal and quite harsh about it all.
But, I also kept checking back - esp. during the period of no sub fee. I saw it steadily improving. Today I can say it's a hell of a fun game (for my tastes anyway . And I don't just mean "well, compared to how it was before". I mean, on its own merits. There's plenty to do. Great storylines, some very challenging or otherwise interesting content, a better variety of content, etc. You do not have to grind levequests non-stop anymore. There's plenty else to do instead. I've been playing XIV more now than any other MMO I've played since FFXI in its prime (aka pre-Abyssea).
Does it still have issues? Yep. Things that could be improved? You bet. Do the good things about it outweigh the issues it has? For me, absolutely. Thing is, most all of the issues we have now can be traced back to poor choices in the game design, the graphics engine, the network configuration, etc. All the things that have been re-done from scratch for 2.0.
It's a really counter-productive tendency MMO gamers have. Something negative happens with a MMO, and - for a number of people - it becomes frozen in that moment for all time. It's like people don't realize that games can improve and evolve and change and move on. You can give them a list of all that's changed, been improved or replaced since they played, and they just don't see it. You can show them the improvements and such in action, and they'll turn right around and say "Sorry, but that game was a total mess at launch. No way I'd play it again". There's simply no way of getting through that kind of stubbornness.
For XIV, a lot has changed since launch, and people are still making decisions and voicing opinions about the game based on how it was two years ago. I guarantee - yes, guarantee - people will be doing the same for 2.0, which will be practically a brand-new game from top to bottom.
Unfortunately, for those who refuse to see XIV as anything but "what it was back at launch", nothing SE does or says or proves will make a difference. The present has little meaning for someone determined to dwell in the past.
1.) Make a REALLY BAD game 2.) Sell game 3.) People complain, stop buying game 4.) Apologize, change some UI elements 5.) Sell game again 6.) ??? 7.) PROFIT
1.) Make a REALLY BAD game 2.) Sell game 3.) People complain, stop buying game 4.) Apologize, change some UI elements 5.) Sell game again 6.) ??? 7.) PROFIT
They aren't just changing the UI. They've created an entire engine (cousin to Luminous) in order to remake the game. The combat has been changed greatly, the story completely rewritten to fit the new world, the entire maps have been remade to reflect this change as well (and to remove redundancy of certain areas), new mobs, new classes, etc.
Here is my question to those that play the game. After all the changes and fixes they have made to UI and controls and all that etc.
Can I set up the controls so they are exactly like the controls in ffxi?
If the answer is no then no I will not play it. I know many people hated those controls but after using them for 7+ years I like them and don't want to have to use different controls. Hate my reasoning all you want but people used the same reason not to play ffxi back in the day when they didn't have standard MMO controls so why can't I use that rationale now?
I personally think the biggest thing holding this game back is that people WANTED Final Fantasy 11: Part 2.
They wanted a game with similar classes, but an upgrade to combat, server-responsiveness (ala no 56k cap), graphical upgrades, new storylines, etc etc.
What they GOT was a corner-cutting, half-assed, nobody-asked-for-these-"upgrades" bastardization of their beloved franchise.
It's a problem you see more and more and more these days. Companies take a perfectly good game, and try to re-invent the wheel. What seems to always happen is that they make "changes" that the original fanbase hates, in turn, alienating those players. But then the new features don't appeal to new players either, because they attribute a certain playstyle with that game genre.
I think it's a problem you can see more and more with AAA titles.
FFXI -> FFXIV
Diablo 2 -> Diablo 3
Planetside -> Planetside 2
Dragon Age -> Dragon Age 2
When you mix these horrid changes (like the leve system; the single worst idea in MMO history) with terrible coding/a bad development team, the hands-down worst release in the history of MMORPG's, and then have to publicly apologize for just how bad your game is.... well, that'll keep a LOT of folks from even going near your game, no matter how many times you re-vamp it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Originally posted by JeroKane I sincerly hope that the people that already paid for the 1.0 don't have to buy 2.0 again? But instead can just continue to play when 2.0 launches.
I personally think the biggest thing holding this game back is that people WANTED Final Fantasy 11: Part 2.
They wanted a game with similar classes, but an upgrade to combat, server-responsiveness (ala no 56k cap), graphical upgrades, new storylines, etc etc.
What they GOT was a corner-cutting, half-assed, nobody-asked-for-these-"upgrades" bastardization of their beloved franchise.
It's a problem you see more and more and more these days. Companies take a perfectly good game, and try to re-invent the wheel. What seems to always happen is that they make "changes" that the original fanbase hates, in turn, alienating those players. But then the new features don't appeal to new players either, because they attribute a certain playstyle with that game genre.
I think it's a problem you can see more and more with AAA titles.
FFXI -> FFXIV
Diablo 2 -> Diablo 3
Planetside -> Planetside 2
Dragon Age -> Dragon Age 2
When you mix these horrid changes (like the leve system; the single worst idea in MMO history) with terrible coding/a bad development team, the hands-down worst release in the history of MMORPG's, and then have to publicly apologize for just how bad your game is.... well, that'll keep a LOT of folks from even going near your game, no matter how many times you re-vamp it.
Originally posted by JeroKane I sincerly hope that the people that already paid for the 1.0 don't have to buy 2.0 again? But instead can just continue to play when 2.0 launches.
Anyone who bought the original game gets the new client and everything for free, as well as 30 days free, as if they'd just bought the game new.
There will also be a free trial period for anyone who purchased the game before, but perhaps left (for obvious reasons), as well as a general free trial for everyone to participate in if they wish.
Originally posted by Ramonski7 I never EVER thought the day would come where gamers would whine about having to buy a physical copy of something they supposedly WANT to play... just wow
I've not bought a physical copy of a game in about 2 years now. Why would I?
Other than a horrible launch, and lackluster gameplay. The largest Issue I see offhand is that FF XIV has no DIGITAL sales of the game. You physically have to own the box.
This is something that would be fine back in 2005, but this is 2012 (almost 2013), and SquareEnix are still behind the times when it comes to digital sales of their MMOs.
Do a search, and you'll only find gold seller sites, or Amazon.com selling the boxes. I can't find a SINGLE place to purchase a digital copy. So far, this is the only MMO I've come across that requires the box, and provides zero alternative ways to aquire the game.
I almost feel, that at times, SquareEnix is trying to act like FF XIV never happened.
Even "A Realm Reborn" preorder is box only, and Amazon.com is selling that for only $30 hehe!
Although your question/statment has been answered or rebutted, I'm the type who would never buy a digital version of anything, I have some morallity issue with prices when it comes to digital vs physical. Cutting off my nose to spite my face? to right I am.
Originally posted by Ramonski7 I never EVER thought the day would come where gamers would whine about having to buy a physical copy of something they supposedly WANT to play... just wow
Why not? I whine every time some thumb-fingered salesman wants physical hardcopy. Or some company from the 70s wants a fax number.
The world moves on with or without us.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Originally posted by Ramonski7 I never EVER thought the day would come where gamers would whine about having to buy a physical copy of something they supposedly WANT to play... just wow
I freakn love the unboxing of a long awaited game!!! It's sad to see those days dying..
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
We thought they finally learned from their mistakes prior to the original release. We think the same thing now. I'll believe it when i see it.
My issue is that they've spent the last 2 years trying to catch up to the way the genre was 2 years ago. Players, in general, are tired of that. Of course, as we all know, FF fans are not normal so who knows.
The largest gate is still SE themselves.We thought they finally learned from their mistakes prior to the original release. We think the same thing now. I'll believe it when i see it. My issue is that they've spent the last 2 years trying to catch up to the way the genre was 2 years ago. Players, in general, are tired of that. Of course, as we all know, FF fans are not normal so who knows.
Sounds like the only gate here is you, not SE.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by Ramonski7 I never EVER thought the day would come where gamers would whine about having to buy a physical copy of something they supposedly WANT to play... just wow
I freakn love the unboxing of a long awaited game!!! It's sad to see those days dying..
I'm half with you there. On one side I enjoy the convenience of digital (actually, last game I bought that wasn't digital was Age of Conan, and even then I went with the digital download option while I received my copy), mainly because being in Venezuela it could be months before any box could reach me since the date I buy it, and shipping would probably cost way more than the game itself if it passes customs at all (there's a law against violent video games that is mostly ignored but might be used as an excuse by an over zealous custom worker to confiscate it).
On the other hand, though, one of my fondest memories of gaming was when I got wing commander 3, opening the box, checking all the manuals, ships schematics, story related items and things like that. I was going on vacations for a week a couple days after I got the game, took all of it with me so I could read it on the road. These days even if you do get a physical box, you're lucky if you even get a CD sized booklet with it.
Originally posted by Ramonski7 I never EVER thought the day would come where gamers would whine about having to buy a physical copy of something they supposedly WANT to play... just wow
I freakn love the unboxing of a long awaited game!!! It's sad to see those days dying..
I'm half with you there. On one side I enjoy the convenience of digital (actually, last game I bought that wasn't digital was Age of Conan, and even then I went with the digital download option while I received my copy), mainly because being in Venezuela it could be months before any box could reach me since the date I buy it, and shipping would probably cost way more than the game itself if it passes customs at all (there's a law against violent video games that is mostly ignored but might be used as an excuse by an over zealous custom worker to confiscate it).
On the other hand, though, one of my fondest memories of gaming was when I got wing commander 3, opening the box, checking all the manuals, ships schematics, story related items and things like that. I was going on vacations for a week a couple days after I got the game, took all of it with me so I could read it on the road. These days even if you do get a physical box, you're lucky if you even get a CD sized booklet with it.
Yeah I have the same Wing Commander memory.. Good stuff. I'm hoping I can get a cool box for Star Citizen.
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
I love my CE, the "Making of a Realm" DVD is all the extra money worth, especially the interviews of Tanaka. (Considering what he says and what we got)
Oh and i still use my thermo cup for drinking tee, and all those fancy notes in the ffxiv diary about gear swapping markos....Good times.
And the Worldmap is really great to.
I didn't plan on buying an additional Box for ARR, but if the CE is worth the money i will
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And it's unfortunate you're going to carry that "saltiness" with you, especially as the game has been improving quite a lot since Yoshi took over.
I was bitter about it as well. Well, more in disbelief that they'd botched it so badly, really. I was quite vocal and quite harsh about it all.
But, I also kept checking back - esp. during the period of no sub fee. I saw it steadily improving. Today I can say it's a hell of a fun game (for my tastes anyway
. And I don't just mean "well, compared to how it was before". I mean, on its own merits. There's plenty to do. Great storylines, some very challenging or otherwise interesting content, a better variety of content, etc. You do not have to grind levequests non-stop anymore. There's plenty else to do instead. I've been playing XIV more now than any other MMO I've played since FFXI in its prime (aka pre-Abyssea).
Does it still have issues? Yep. Things that could be improved? You bet. Do the good things about it outweigh the issues it has? For me, absolutely. Thing is, most all of the issues we have now can be traced back to poor choices in the game design, the graphics engine, the network configuration, etc. All the things that have been re-done from scratch for 2.0.
It's a really counter-productive tendency MMO gamers have. Something negative happens with a MMO, and - for a number of people - it becomes frozen in that moment for all time. It's like people don't realize that games can improve and evolve and change and move on. You can give them a list of all that's changed, been improved or replaced since they played, and they just don't see it. You can show them the improvements and such in action, and they'll turn right around and say "Sorry, but that game was a total mess at launch. No way I'd play it again". There's simply no way of getting through that kind of stubbornness.
For XIV, a lot has changed since launch, and people are still making decisions and voicing opinions about the game based on how it was two years ago. I guarantee - yes, guarantee - people will be doing the same for 2.0, which will be practically a brand-new game from top to bottom.
Unfortunately, for those who refuse to see XIV as anything but "what it was back at launch", nothing SE does or says or proves will make a difference. The present has little meaning for someone determined to dwell in the past.
1.) Make a REALLY BAD game
2.) Sell game
3.) People complain, stop buying game
4.) Apologize, change some UI elements
5.) Sell game again
6.) ???
7.) PROFIT
They aren't just changing the UI. They've created an entire engine (cousin to Luminous) in order to remake the game. The combat has been changed greatly, the story completely rewritten to fit the new world, the entire maps have been remade to reflect this change as well (and to remove redundancy of certain areas), new mobs, new classes, etc.
Here is my question to those that play the game. After all the changes and fixes they have made to UI and controls and all that etc.
Can I set up the controls so they are exactly like the controls in ffxi?
If the answer is no then no I will not play it. I know many people hated those controls but after using them for 7+ years I like them and don't want to have to use different controls. Hate my reasoning all you want but people used the same reason not to play ffxi back in the day when they didn't have standard MMO controls so why can't I use that rationale now?
I personally think the biggest thing holding this game back is that people WANTED Final Fantasy 11: Part 2.
They wanted a game with similar classes, but an upgrade to combat, server-responsiveness (ala no 56k cap), graphical upgrades, new storylines, etc etc.
What they GOT was a corner-cutting, half-assed, nobody-asked-for-these-"upgrades" bastardization of their beloved franchise.
It's a problem you see more and more and more these days. Companies take a perfectly good game, and try to re-invent the wheel. What seems to always happen is that they make "changes" that the original fanbase hates, in turn, alienating those players. But then the new features don't appeal to new players either, because they attribute a certain playstyle with that game genre.
I think it's a problem you can see more and more with AAA titles.
FFXI -> FFXIV
Diablo 2 -> Diablo 3
Planetside -> Planetside 2
Dragon Age -> Dragon Age 2
When you mix these horrid changes (like the leve system; the single worst idea in MMO history) with terrible coding/a bad development team, the hands-down worst release in the history of MMORPG's, and then have to publicly apologize for just how bad your game is.... well, that'll keep a LOT of folks from even going near your game, no matter how many times you re-vamp it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
thats any mmos at release i think
i know we get are 30 days back free
ffxvi rrb is tech a new game
Anyone who bought the original game gets the new client and everything for free, as well as 30 days free, as if they'd just bought the game new.
There will also be a free trial period for anyone who purchased the game before, but perhaps left (for obvious reasons), as well as a general free trial for everyone to participate in if they wish.
I've not bought a physical copy of a game in about 2 years now. Why would I?
Although your question/statment has been answered or rebutted, I'm the type who would never buy a digital version of anything, I have some morallity issue with prices when it comes to digital vs physical. Cutting off my nose to spite my face? to right I am.
Why not? I whine every time some thumb-fingered salesman wants physical hardcopy. Or some company from the 70s wants a fax number.
The world moves on with or without us.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I freakn love the unboxing of a long awaited game!!! It's sad to see those days dying..
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
The largest gate is still SE themselves.
We thought they finally learned from their mistakes prior to the original release. We think the same thing now. I'll believe it when i see it.
My issue is that they've spent the last 2 years trying to catch up to the way the genre was 2 years ago. Players, in general, are tired of that. Of course, as we all know, FF fans are not normal so who knows.
Sounds like the only gate here is you, not SE.I'm half with you there. On one side I enjoy the convenience of digital (actually, last game I bought that wasn't digital was Age of Conan, and even then I went with the digital download option while I received my copy), mainly because being in Venezuela it could be months before any box could reach me since the date I buy it, and shipping would probably cost way more than the game itself if it passes customs at all (there's a law against violent video games that is mostly ignored but might be used as an excuse by an over zealous custom worker to confiscate it).
On the other hand, though, one of my fondest memories of gaming was when I got wing commander 3, opening the box, checking all the manuals, ships schematics, story related items and things like that. I was going on vacations for a week a couple days after I got the game, took all of it with me so I could read it on the road. These days even if you do get a physical box, you're lucky if you even get a CD sized booklet with it.
What can men do against such reckless hate?
Yeah I have the same Wing Commander memory.. Good stuff. I'm hoping I can get a cool box for Star Citizen.
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
I love my CE, the "Making of a Realm" DVD is all the extra money worth, especially the interviews of Tanaka. (Considering what he says and what we got)
Oh and i still use my thermo cup for drinking tee, and all those fancy notes in the ffxiv diary about gear swapping markos....Good times.
And the Worldmap is really great to.
I didn't plan on buying an additional Box for ARR, but if the CE is worth the money i will