So far EvE Online's subscription policy of $20 "Digital Box Price" + $15month + free expansions & updates is by far the best model currently on the market.
For once I have to agree with you - in a sense.
EvE does release a fair number of major updates a year, 2-3 or some such and never charges for them. Super totally awesome, usually bring a fair chunk of changes and new systems too.
That and you can buy game time with in game $ makes it hard to beat... but you have to consider the game worth the model in the first place which I no longer do.
Yup! I'll be bowing down to the almighty PvP gods when they are all in black and white dyed armor! I hope they spare me from their awesome DPS'ing minipets.......
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
This isn't the first time anet has made big and bold claims... and their track record is not good.
GW2 will be gw2, we can talk until we are blue in the face, but only time will tell how all of this pans out. To me anet has already lost a ton of their integrity, now it is purely about pushing the product, and no longer about the principles they claimed the company was based upon. The manifesto and their shortcomings regarding it were proof enough of that.
I'd love some examples to go along with such a blanket statement, especially since you wrote so much about WoW. As far as I am concerned, they have delivered on everything except allowing us to play our own music tracks in game /shakes fist. track record is looking stellar. Manifesto intact.
Since WoW has expectedly creeped into this thread I would like to make a few points about it.
1. To say WoW players don't get their money's worth is silly, no one is holding a gun to their head to pay a monthly fee, they do it because they feel it is worth it.
Nice the "holding the gun to the head" example. How many of these subs are for children whos parents pay for a game they probably never told them they quit? How many people go back to the game because friends talk them into it to see the new content? /raises hand. I haven't gotten my moneys worth since BC, and told my RL friends I wasn't gonna bite on MOP. As a prev paying customer I can honestly say I wasn't getting my moneys worth which is why I was prone to taking many extended breaks.
2. WoW provides a ton of content for the majority of its playerbase, the only people who feel content starved are the hardcore progression players, and while this is indeed unfortunate, you have to look at the context. WoW is a game that has gone well over 10million subscribers (hitting even 13-14mill iirc) and now it is down to 9million or so globally... That is still A LOT. Do you know how hard it is to make content? Now try doing it for 9million people, some of which will blow through the content faster than you could ever hope to create it. They have to put all this work into creating new quests, raids, pvp options, etc etc... all of which are things people can accomplish in weeks or days, if not hours. It isn't easy... and it isn't realistic to think that any amount of people, in a responsible company could keep content coming out that fast for the most hardcore of hardcore players. But they deliver enough content for the majority, to keep them occupied.
Not to get into it but you have alot of big numbers and I can say that a lot of them are fluffed due to how huge the game is in tha Asian market and they way they set up accounts there as others have stated. Sure they had a lot of content, but how much of it was repetative and the same, only redone for a different zone. As a game that's been out for as long as it has it sure seems like a lot. But as someone who has played since it started and goes back for the new expansion to see whats what, there is hardly shit there so I would kindly disagree with you on the amount of content Activision/Blizzard provides.
3. WoW also has seasonal content based on holidays..
Oh you mean the reskinned headless horsemen event with updated loot to accomodate the latest lev cap? or did you mean the regifted christmas events? Maybe the relocated easter egg hunts? Pfft. Lets not try to sprinkle glitter ona turd and sell it as the hottest new toy.
Think of it like food service... how easy is it to serve 5 people and get their food out in X amount of time... how easy is it to serve 50 people in the same amount of time? I think blizzard does a good job overall.. and that's why they have held such massive subscriber counts for so long.
And to finish, this is a horrid analogy so I am going to refrain from commenting because it would border on an attack. Just stop it.
Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
I wasn't planning to respond to this thread, but a quick off topic comment.. you can indeed play your own music in GW2, just that isn't mentioned in the actual game. Instructions here:
Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
I've learned not to address people that are so deadset on gw2 being god's gift to gaming, that no amount of reasoning will work for them.
And I have learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they make assanine statemnts. I Gave you the benefit of posting my opinion and asking for examples while I doubt you will give any. I am by no means deadset on anything except stating that IMO GW2 has delivered on what was stated. I definately don't think it's "gods gift to gaming" although I see that comment almost exclusively thrown around by the opposition when they have nothing constructive to say. Reasoning would be responding to the examples rather than trying to make me out ot be somehting I am not, which you did not and I am the unreasonable one. Why are you in here posting smut if you do not wish to discuss what you put out there?
This isn't the first time anet has made big and bold claims... and their track record is not good.
GW2 will be gw2, we can talk until we are blue in the face, but only time will tell how all of this pans out. To me anet has already lost a ton of their integrity, now it is purely about pushing the product, and no longer about the principles they claimed the company was based upon. The manifesto and their shortcomings regarding it were proof enough of that.
I'd love some examples to go along with such a blanket statement, especially since you wrote so much about WoW. As far as I am concerned, they have delivered on everything except allowing us to play our own music tracks in game /shakes fist. track record is looking stellar. Manifesto intact.
Since WoW has expectedly creeped into this thread I would like to make a few points about it.
1. To say WoW players don't get their money's worth is silly, no one is holding a gun to their head to pay a monthly fee, they do it because they feel it is worth it.
Nice the "holding the gun to the head" example. How many of these subs are for children whos parents pay for a game they probably never told them they quit? How many people go back to the game because friends talk them into it to see the new content? /raises hand. I haven't gotten my moneys worth since BC, and told my RL friends I wasn't gonna bite on MOP. As a prev paying customer I can honestly say I wasn't getting my moneys worth which is why I was prone to taking many extended breaks.
2. WoW provides a ton of content for the majority of its playerbase, the only people who feel content starved are the hardcore progression players, and while this is indeed unfortunate, you have to look at the context. WoW is a game that has gone well over 10million subscribers (hitting even 13-14mill iirc) and now it is down to 9million or so globally... That is still A LOT. Do you know how hard it is to make content? Now try doing it for 9million people, some of which will blow through the content faster than you could ever hope to create it. They have to put all this work into creating new quests, raids, pvp options, etc etc... all of which are things people can accomplish in weeks or days, if not hours. It isn't easy... and it isn't realistic to think that any amount of people, in a responsible company could keep content coming out that fast for the most hardcore of hardcore players. But they deliver enough content for the majority, to keep them occupied.
Not to get into it but you have alot of big numbers and I can say that a lot of them are fluffed due to how huge the game is in tha Asian market and they way they set up accounts there as others have stated. Sure they had a lot of content, but how much of it was repetative and the same, only redone for a different zone. As a game that's been out for as long as it has it sure seems like a lot. But as someone who has played since it started and goes back for the new expansion to see whats what, there is hardly shit there so I would kindly disagree with you on the amount of content Activision/Blizzard provides.
3. WoW also has seasonal content based on holidays..
Oh you mean the reskinned headless horsemen event with updated loot to accomodate the latest lev cap? or did you mean the regifted christmas events? Maybe the relocated easter egg hunts? Pfft. Lets not try to sprinkle glitter ona turd and sell it as the hottest new toy.
Think of it like food service... how easy is it to serve 5 people and get their food out in X amount of time... how easy is it to serve 50 people in the same amount of time? I think blizzard does a good job overall.. and that's why they have held such massive subscriber counts for so long.
And to finish, this is a horrid analogy so I am going to refrain from commenting because it would border on an attack. Just stop it.
Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
I wasn't planning to respond to this thread, but a quick off topic comment.. you can indeed play your own music in GW2, just that isn't mentioned in the actual game. Instructions here:
You can also literally play your own music underwater on a pipe organ.
I wasn't planning to respond to this thread, but a quick off topic comment.. you can indeed play your own music in GW2, just that isn't mentioned in the actual game. Instructions here:
I stand corrected and thank you sir. Sorry for shaking my fist at Anet on this one. I have been runniing media players in the background but it makes it such a pain when I do the story. Appreciated.
Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
I've learned not to address people that are so deadset on gw2 being god's gift to gaming, that no amount of reasoning will work for them.
And I have learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they make assanine statemnts. I Gave you the benefit of posting my opinion and asking for examples while I doubt you will give any. I am by no means deadset on anything except stating that IMO GW2 has delivered on what was stated. I definately don't think it's "gods gift to gaming" although I see that comment almost exclusively thrown around by the opposition when they have nothing constructive to say. Reasoning would be responding to the examples rather than trying to make me out ot be somehting I am not, which you did not and I am the unreasonable one. Why are you in here posting smut if you do not wish to discuss what you put out there?
What if your statements are the ones that are asanine? Keep this thread civil please...
This isn't the first time anet has made big and bold claims... and their track record is not good.
GW2 will be gw2, we can talk until we are blue in the face, but only time will tell how all of this pans out. To me anet has already lost a ton of their integrity, now it is purely about pushing the product, and no longer about the principles they claimed the company was based upon. The manifesto and their shortcomings regarding it were proof enough of that.
I'd love some examples to go along with such a blanket statement, especially since you wrote so much about WoW. As far as I am concerned, they have delivered on everything except allowing us to play our own music tracks in game /shakes fist. track record is looking stellar. Manifesto intact.
Since WoW has expectedly creeped into this thread I would like to make a few points about it.
1. To say WoW players don't get their money's worth is silly, no one is holding a gun to their head to pay a monthly fee, they do it because they feel it is worth it.
Nice the "holding the gun to the head" example. How many of these subs are for children whos parents pay for a game they probably never told them they quit? How many people go back to the game because friends talk them into it to see the new content? /raises hand. I haven't gotten my moneys worth since BC, and told my RL friends I wasn't gonna bite on MOP. As a prev paying customer I can honestly say I wasn't getting my moneys worth which is why I was prone to taking many extended breaks.
2. WoW provides a ton of content for the majority of its playerbase, the only people who feel content starved are the hardcore progression players, and while this is indeed unfortunate, you have to look at the context. WoW is a game that has gone well over 10million subscribers (hitting even 13-14mill iirc) and now it is down to 9million or so globally... That is still A LOT. Do you know how hard it is to make content? Now try doing it for 9million people, some of which will blow through the content faster than you could ever hope to create it. They have to put all this work into creating new quests, raids, pvp options, etc etc... all of which are things people can accomplish in weeks or days, if not hours. It isn't easy... and it isn't realistic to think that any amount of people, in a responsible company could keep content coming out that fast for the most hardcore of hardcore players. But they deliver enough content for the majority, to keep them occupied.
Not to get into it but you have alot of big numbers and I can say that a lot of them are fluffed due to how huge the game is in tha Asian market and they way they set up accounts there as others have stated. Sure they had a lot of content, but how much of it was repetative and the same, only redone for a different zone. As a game that's been out for as long as it has it sure seems like a lot. But as someone who has played since it started and goes back for the new expansion to see whats what, there is hardly shit there so I would kindly disagree with you on the amount of content Activision/Blizzard provides.
3. WoW also has seasonal content based on holidays..
Oh you mean the reskinned headless horsemen event with updated loot to accomodate the latest lev cap? or did you mean the regifted christmas events? Maybe the relocated easter egg hunts? Pfft. Lets not try to sprinkle glitter ona turd and sell it as the hottest new toy.
Think of it like food service... how easy is it to serve 5 people and get their food out in X amount of time... how easy is it to serve 50 people in the same amount of time? I think blizzard does a good job overall.. and that's why they have held such massive subscriber counts for so long.
And to finish, this is a horrid analogy so I am going to refrain from commenting because it would border on an attack. Just stop it.
Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
I've learned not to address people that are so deadset on gw2 being god's gift to gaming, that no amount of reasoning will work for them.
So until you provide some sorta logical reasoning as to why i'm wrong, i won't be responding to your post.
Thats kind of funny considering the complete absence of logic from your own post. Really... the food analogy... REALLY!? I Wasnt aware Blizzard was actually cooking up millions of completely seperate gameplay experiences catered to individual players. Its one game, everyone gets the same thing and shares it. They didnt have to remake the game millions of times like you would have to when servng 50 food orders. They made it once. Wether it is 10k, 100k, 1m, or 10m... same exact amount of time and work is put into the game.
Originally posted by Ausare Ah wow does free content updates. Alao i remember swotr promising content. Glad you git faith though. I like how the store will be expanded.
Yea, its funny how this is being put out there, as if this is the only company to give free content and updates. Most mmorpgs do that now days...if they give a free expansion, thats a different story. Being that in GW1 they sold I think it was 3 different expansions, I don't see them giving them out now either.
This whole thing about companies giving out free things anyway and it making them the greatest thing on Earth...I just don't get. This is a business, companies target a % of profit...so even if a company does give a little more, it doesn't make a different company suck simply for giving less out for free.
You're paying $15 a month for that "free" content. When you consider that most MMOs put out their "free" content patches once every 3-4 months, your subscription fees amount to the price of a brand new game.
GW2 content updates will really be free, since there is no subscription fee.
What if your statements are the ones that are asanine?
I can see why one would jump to that when he has shown that he likes to attack the person rather than the discussion, except I stated my opinions in response to your statements and don't claim to speak for anyone but myself. I also didn't put anything in there to try to portray GW2 as the next coming as a totally unreasonable fanboy would do. So where did I treet GW2 as "Gods gift" I ask you? I see you still don't want to give examples so I'll leave you alone on it and assume youv'e got nothing. As it stands this is starting to derail a thread when it should have been discussing what Spock posted and what we think about the topic, not what you think about me.
Nice the "holding the gun to the head" example. How many of these subs are for children whos parents pay for a game they probably never told them they quit? How many people go back to the game because friends talk them into it to see the new content? /raises hand. I haven't gotten my moneys worth since BC, and told my RL friends I wasn't gonna bite on MOP. As a prev paying customer I can honestly say I wasn't getting my moneys worth which is why I was prone to taking many extended breaks.
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Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
Let's not forget how they got x amount of people to buy a year sub to WoW to get a "free" copy of Diablo 3[a half finished game]. So essentially, they spent $180 USD for a game and didn't even get a collectors edition. That sounds pretty fishy to me, but it was an ingenious way for blizzard to secure subs for a set time; Atleast until Mists of Pandaria drops. I won't lie or slight blizzard anyway here. It was smart. "Sure go play GW2, but we still got your sub..."
What if your statements are the ones that are asanine?
I can see why one would jump to that when he has shown that he likes to attack the person rather than the discussion, except I stated my opinions in response to your statements and don't claim to speak for anyone but myself. I also didn't put anything in there to try to portray GW2 as the next coming as a totally unreasonable fanboy would do. So where did I treet GW2 as "Gods gift" I ask you? I see you still don't want to give examples so I'll leave you alone on it and assume youv'e got nothing. As it stands this is starting to derail a thread when it should have been discussing what Spock posted and what we think about the topic, not what you think about me.
Unfortunately your opinions were not logical whatsoever is all, and I merely stated I wasn't going to address those kinda opinions, because it's just the same cycle.
Fan claims game is one way, fan gets hit with more realistic logic, fan denies it all and calls statements asanine, or some other ad hominem.
That's exactly what happened here... maybe you should take a step back and think about the thoughts running through your head, and the responses you type, are they mature? Are they civil? Are they logical? Are they combative? Are you in gw2 defense mode?
Literally take a minute, to get an honest perspective about it... i doubt you would even take the time...
Originally posted by TheIronLegion
Originally posted by FlawSGI
Originally posted by caetftl
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Nice the "holding the gun to the head" example. How many of these subs are for children whos parents pay for a game they probably never told them they quit? How many people go back to the game because friends talk them into it to see the new content? /raises hand. I haven't gotten my moneys worth since BC, and told my RL friends I wasn't gonna bite on MOP. As a prev paying customer I can honestly say I wasn't getting my moneys worth which is why I was prone to taking many extended breaks.
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Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
Let's not forget how they got x amount of people to buy a year sub to WoW to get a "free" copy of Diablo 3[a half finished game]. So essentially, they spent $180 USD for a game and didn't even get a collectors edition. That sounds pretty fishy to me, but it was an ingenious way for blizzard to secure subs for a set time; Atleast until Mists of Pandaria drops. I won't lie or slight blizzard anyway here. It was smart. "Sure go play GW2, but we still got your sub..."
Wouldn't it sorta be silly if they didn't like WoW, to pay 180 for d3? Let's not try to vilify wow in illogical ways...
One more reason why sub-based mmo's fail and one more reason most f2p mmo's fail too, funny how that works out. Most of these mmo companies just cant see past their wallet.
But they are cooking up separate gaming experiences... ones for hardcore players that consume content at a certain rate, some for solo players, some for raiders, some for pvers, some for pvpers. And when you have 9million+ to cater for... it becomes very challenging to satisfy everyone. Their content updates might seem slow for hardcore players that consume all content faster than it can even be designed... but it seems to be satisfactory for the majority of players.
I'm sorry I had to shut down your rant so quickly and completely, but you seemed unable to divine the way mmos work, in particular wow.
Ill try and dumb this down to your level and put it within your grasp.
Those are all aspects of a single game. They had to make it once. Do you understand the meaning of the number 1? If so, we can continue.
They did not create that game over and over and over again for individual people. Your analogy would be more correct if they made 1 burger, and 50 people shared that 1 burger. Or 5 people could have shared it. Or 1 person alone. Doesnt matter, because they only made 1 burger, not 50.
If we're done with the elementary school education for the day, you still have yet to do anything but troll and babble nonsense and havent been able to backup a single statement youve made. Then again, thats prety much the standard isnt it? Try trolling harder. Its very amusing.
Nice the "holding the gun to the head" example. How many of these subs are for children whos parents pay for a game they probably never told them they quit? How many people go back to the game because friends talk them into it to see the new content? /raises hand. I haven't gotten my moneys worth since BC, and told my RL friends I wasn't gonna bite on MOP. As a prev paying customer I can honestly say I wasn't getting my moneys worth which is why I was prone to taking many extended breaks.
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Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
Let's not forget how they got x amount of people to buy a year sub to WoW to get a "free" copy of Diablo 3[a half finished game]. So essentially, they spent $180 USD for a game and didn't even get a collectors edition. That sounds pretty fishy to me, but it was an ingenious way for blizzard to secure subs for a set time; Atleast until Mists of Pandaria drops. I won't lie or slight blizzard anyway here. It was smart. "Sure go play GW2, but we still got your sub..."
Good point and one I didnt want to go into because I wanted to keep it short and readable. The point was, don't bring WoW fluff into a GW2 thread and blow smoke up peoples asses and not expect someone to express the other side of the coin. While he may feel they deliver on box price + $15 dollars a month, not everyone does. I know I didn't once I realized how shallow each expansion felt to me. The D3 idea was a great marketing tool and I have seen other companies use similar tactics so I am not knocking it, only lets not bat numbers around when you use things like that because numbers are skewed. I also used the kid example because my inlaws have 2 kids that used to play and they are still to this day paying for WoW subs in case the kids decide to pick it when an expansion drops rather than being pestered to reactivate accounts.
Originally posted by Darth-Batman One more reason why sub-based mmo's fail and one more reason most f2p mmo's fail too, funny how that works out. Most of these mmo companies just cant see past their wallet.
Please tell me this is sarcasm. You can't possibly be that naive.
But they are cooking up separate gaming experiences... ones for hardcore players that consume content at a certain rate, some for solo players, some for raiders, some for pvers, some for pvpers. And when you have 9million+ to cater for... it becomes very challenging to satisfy everyone. Their content updates might seem slow for hardcore players that consume all content faster than it can even be designed... but it seems to be satisfactory for the majority of players.
I'm sorry I had to shut down your rant so quickly and completely, but you seemed unable to divine the way mmos work, in particular wow.
Ill try and dumb this down to your level and put it within your grasp.
Those are all aspects of a single game. They had to make it once. Do you understand the meaning of the number 1? If so, we can continue.
They did not create that game over and over and over again for individual people. Your analogy would be more correct if they made 1 burger, and 50 people shared that 1 burger. Or 5 people could have shared it. Or 1 person alone. Doesnt matter, because they only made 1 burger, not 50.
If we're done with the elementary school education for the day, you still have yet to do anything but troll and babble nonsense and havent been able to backup a single statement youve made. Then again, thats prety much the standard isnt it? Try trolling harder. Its very amusing.
Another post laced with ad hominem attacks from another "logical" gw2 fan. Sorry if you can't grasp that blizzard has to cater for all sorts of different players... they have to give each content update a wide array of dishes. Sorta like when serving people you take 1 menu, and you create many dishes from that menu, to serve the people that were all picking what they want, from that 1 menu.
Anyway, you are yet another person impervious to logic, because anything logical that supports what blizzard is doing, must be the devil. So until you can actually provide some sorta logical argument, i won't be bothered responding to someone as inflammatory as you. (If I need to dumb this down more for you to understand, I apologize, i've made it as dumbed down as possible)
It's funny because all of the most competent gw2 players, (the ones that are most successful in pve progression and spvp) all find the game so easy and lacking. Yet all the scrubs are so passionate to defend it even though they are absolutely terrible at the game.
Blizzard - lobster thermadore for the raiders, cheese burger for the casuals, bread and water for the pvpers and a bag of air for the crafters. That's their menu.
Originally posted by ShakyMo Blizzard - lobster thermadore for the raiders, cheese burger for the casuals, bread and water for the pvpers and a bag of air for the crafters. That's their menu.
It's pretty amazing that the game is still 9million strong after so many years and so many other games coming out. Must be the food.
Ok on topic. I hope Anet can deliver on what they say because they are really under the magnifyng glass.
I've learned not to address people that are so deadset on gw2 being god's gift to gaming, that no amount of reasoning will work for them.
And I have learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they make assanine statemnts. I Gave you the benefit of posting my opinion and asking for examples while I doubt you will give any. I am by no means deadset on anything except stating that IMO GW2 has delivered on what was stated. I definately don't think it's "gods gift to gaming" although I see that comment almost exclusively thrown around by the opposition when they have nothing constructive to say. Reasoning would be responding to the examples rather than trying to make me out ot be somehting I am not, which you did not and I am the unreasonable one. Why are you in here posting smut if you do not wish to discuss what you put out there?
What if your statements are the ones that are asanine? Keep this thread civil please...
I wanted to believe you were not here with a certain agenda, then I read your posts and saw your join date. Kind of obvious.
What if your statements are the ones that are asanine?
I can see why one would jump to that when he has shown that he likes to attack the person rather than the discussion, except I stated my opinions in response to your statements and don't claim to speak for anyone but myself. I also didn't put anything in there to try to portray GW2 as the next coming as a totally unreasonable fanboy would do. So where did I treet GW2 as "Gods gift" I ask you? I see you still don't want to give examples so I'll leave you alone on it and assume youv'e got nothing. As it stands this is starting to derail a thread when it should have been discussing what Spock posted and what we think about the topic, not what you think about me.
Unfortunately your opinions were not logical whatsoever is all, and I merely stated I wasn't going to address those kinda opinions, because it's just the same cycle.
Fan claims game is one way, fan gets hit with more realistic logic, fan denies it all and calls statements asanine, or some other ad hominem.
That's exactly what happened here... maybe you should take a step back and think about the thoughts running through your head, and the responses you type, are they mature? Are they civil? Are they logical? Are they combative? Are you in gw2 defense mode?
Literally take a minute, to get an honest perspective about it... i doubt you would even take the time...
Oh you are so sensible. Which opinions weren't logical? The one where I stated I felt they delivered on what they said and asked you to elaborate? Maybe the one where I stated I didn't feel I got my monies worth and gave examples of why I felt that way rather than saying the game was garbage? Maybe how I said sub numbers were fluffed? I did use profanity when saying that the game released shallow amounts of content per expansion but I would hardly call that illogical.
So in closing, Fan didn't claim game was any way, and still haven't, fan definately didn't get hit with realistic logic because you fail to stay on topic and actual give input into the discussion, and I certainly didn't deny anything because you have yet to say anything about the topic for me to deny. I don't need to step back and look in any mirror because I was speaking directly to you and asking for input. My only thoughts are WTF is this guy talking about and why are you here in a GW2 thread talking WoW greatness and refusing to answer direct questions?
But they are cooking up separate gaming experiences... ones for hardcore players that consume content at a certain rate, some for solo players, some for raiders, some for pvers, some for pvpers. And when you have 9million+ to cater for... it becomes very challenging to satisfy everyone. Their content updates might seem slow for hardcore players that consume all content faster than it can even be designed... but it seems to be satisfactory for the majority of players.
I'm sorry I had to shut down your rant so quickly and completely, but you seemed unable to divine the way mmos work, in particular wow.
Ill try and dumb this down to your level and put it within your grasp.
Those are all aspects of a single game. They had to make it once. Do you understand the meaning of the number 1? If so, we can continue.
They did not create that game over and over and over again for individual people. Your analogy would be more correct if they made 1 burger, and 50 people shared that 1 burger. Or 5 people could have shared it. Or 1 person alone. Doesnt matter, because they only made 1 burger, not 50.
If we're done with the elementary school education for the day, you still have yet to do anything but troll and babble nonsense and havent been able to backup a single statement youve made. Then again, thats prety much the standard isnt it? Try trolling harder. Its very amusing.
Another post laced with ad hominem attacks from another "logical" gw2 fan. Sorry if you can't grasp that blizzard has to cater for all sorts of different players... they have to give each content update a wide array of dishes. Sorta like when serving people you take 1 menu, and you create many dishes from that menu, to serve the people that were all picking what they want, from that 1 menu.
Anyway, you are yet another person impervious to logic, because anything logical that supports what blizzard is doing, must be the devil. So until you can actually provide some sorta logical argument, i won't be bothered responding to someone as inflammatory as you. (If I need to dumb this down more for you to understand, I apologize, i've made it as dumbed down as possible)
It's funny because all of the most competent gw2 players, (the ones that are most successful in pve progression and spvp) all find the game so easy and lacking. Yet all the scrubs are so passionate to defend it even though they are absolutely terrible at the game.
Kind of odd how you ask people to keep the debate civil, yet you have no problem hurling insults when you feel it is OK to do so.
Your logic is lacking, you clearly have a POV that is WoWcentric and since you love WoW that is fine. But the funny part is you come here to bash GW2 fans for loving their game while showing nothing but love to the game you enjoy. Do you understand how this makes you look silly?
You say you will not respond to inflammatory people, yet you are fanning the flames in nearly every post. Go play WoW and have a great time, let us play GW2 without the people like you who are clearly phony.
But they are cooking up separate gaming experiences... ones for hardcore players that consume content at a certain rate, some for solo players, some for raiders, some for pvers, some for pvpers. And when you have 9million+ to cater for... it becomes very challenging to satisfy everyone. Their content updates might seem slow for hardcore players that consume all content faster than it can even be designed... but it seems to be satisfactory for the majority of players.
I'm sorry I had to shut down your rant so quickly and completely, but you seemed unable to divine the way mmos work, in particular wow.
Ill try and dumb this down to your level and put it within your grasp.
Those are all aspects of a single game. They had to make it once. Do you understand the meaning of the number 1? If so, we can continue.
They did not create that game over and over and over again for individual people. Your analogy would be more correct if they made 1 burger, and 50 people shared that 1 burger. Or 5 people could have shared it. Or 1 person alone. Doesnt matter, because they only made 1 burger, not 50.
If we're done with the elementary school education for the day, you still have yet to do anything but troll and babble nonsense and havent been able to backup a single statement youve made. Then again, thats prety much the standard isnt it? Try trolling harder. Its very amusing.
Another post laced with ad hominem attacks from another "logical" gw2 fan. Sorry if you can't grasp that blizzard has to cater for all sorts of different players... they have to give each content update a wide array of dishes. Sorta like when serving people you take 1 menu, and you create many dishes from that menu, to serve the people that were all picking what they want, from that 1 menu.
Youre still not getting it, and its so ridiculously simple. Its really a shame this actually needs to be explained to you.
Your food analogy is wrong, and absurd. A cook has to make 50 seperate orders from scratch to feed 50 people off of his menu. He doesnt magically duplicate them 50x to feed 50 people and only cook once.
WoW had to be cooked 1 time. They dont recreate the entire game from scratch everytime someone new wants to play. Do you really not get it?
Whats sad is it has nothing to do with either WoW or GW2. It's the way MMOs work. Your entire analogy of there being more to creat ebecause of more people is ridiculous when you try to apply it to ANY game. They are created once, with various aspects to appeal to various people. They dont remake the entire game for every player. But youre so hellbent on trying to defend WoW while trying to talk down GW2 that you dont even see that. Wether I play GW2 or not doesnt matter. Its just flat out stupid to say what you said.
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For once I have to agree with you - in a sense.
EvE does release a fair number of major updates a year, 2-3 or some such and never charges for them. Super totally awesome, usually bring a fair chunk of changes and new systems too.
That and you can buy game time with in game $ makes it hard to beat... but you have to consider the game worth the model in the first place which I no longer do.
Yup! I'll be bowing down to the almighty PvP gods when they are all in black and white dyed armor! I hope they spare me from their awesome DPS'ing minipets.......
oh wait.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I wasn't planning to respond to this thread, but a quick off topic comment.. you can indeed play your own music in GW2, just that isn't mentioned in the actual game. Instructions here:
http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/guildwars2-in-game-music-player-tutorial/
What can men do against such reckless hate?
And I have learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they make assanine statemnts. I Gave you the benefit of posting my opinion and asking for examples while I doubt you will give any. I am by no means deadset on anything except stating that IMO GW2 has delivered on what was stated. I definately don't think it's "gods gift to gaming" although I see that comment almost exclusively thrown around by the opposition when they have nothing constructive to say. Reasoning would be responding to the examples rather than trying to make me out ot be somehting I am not, which you did not and I am the unreasonable one. Why are you in here posting smut if you do not wish to discuss what you put out there?
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
You can also literally play your own music underwater on a pipe organ.
I stand corrected and thank you sir. Sorry for shaking my fist at Anet on this one. I have been runniing media players in the background but it makes it such a pain when I do the story. Appreciated.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
What if your statements are the ones that are asanine? Keep this thread civil please...
Thats kind of funny considering the complete absence of logic from your own post. Really... the food analogy... REALLY!? I Wasnt aware Blizzard was actually cooking up millions of completely seperate gameplay experiences catered to individual players. Its one game, everyone gets the same thing and shares it. They didnt have to remake the game millions of times like you would have to when servng 50 food orders. They made it once. Wether it is 10k, 100k, 1m, or 10m... same exact amount of time and work is put into the game.
You're paying $15 a month for that "free" content. When you consider that most MMOs put out their "free" content patches once every 3-4 months, your subscription fees amount to the price of a brand new game.
GW2 content updates will really be free, since there is no subscription fee.
I can see why one would jump to that when he has shown that he likes to attack the person rather than the discussion, except I stated my opinions in response to your statements and don't claim to speak for anyone but myself. I also didn't put anything in there to try to portray GW2 as the next coming as a totally unreasonable fanboy would do. So where did I treet GW2 as "Gods gift" I ask you? I see you still don't want to give examples so I'll leave you alone on it and assume youv'e got nothing. As it stands this is starting to derail a thread when it should have been discussing what Spock posted and what we think about the topic, not what you think about me.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Let's not forget how they got x amount of people to buy a year sub to WoW to get a "free" copy of Diablo 3[a half finished game]. So essentially, they spent $180 USD for a game and didn't even get a collectors edition. That sounds pretty fishy to me, but it was an ingenious way for blizzard to secure subs for a set time; Atleast until Mists of Pandaria drops. I won't lie or slight blizzard anyway here. It was smart. "Sure go play GW2, but we still got your sub..."
Unfortunately your opinions were not logical whatsoever is all, and I merely stated I wasn't going to address those kinda opinions, because it's just the same cycle.
Fan claims game is one way, fan gets hit with more realistic logic, fan denies it all and calls statements asanine, or some other ad hominem.
That's exactly what happened here... maybe you should take a step back and think about the thoughts running through your head, and the responses you type, are they mature? Are they civil? Are they logical? Are they combative? Are you in gw2 defense mode?
Literally take a minute, to get an honest perspective about it... i doubt you would even take the time...
Wouldn't it sorta be silly if they didn't like WoW, to pay 180 for d3? Let's not try to vilify wow in illogical ways...
Ill try and dumb this down to your level and put it within your grasp.
Those are all aspects of a single game. They had to make it once. Do you understand the meaning of the number 1? If so, we can continue.
They did not create that game over and over and over again for individual people. Your analogy would be more correct if they made 1 burger, and 50 people shared that 1 burger. Or 5 people could have shared it. Or 1 person alone. Doesnt matter, because they only made 1 burger, not 50.
If we're done with the elementary school education for the day, you still have yet to do anything but troll and babble nonsense and havent been able to backup a single statement youve made. Then again, thats prety much the standard isnt it? Try trolling harder. Its very amusing.
Good point and one I didnt want to go into because I wanted to keep it short and readable. The point was, don't bring WoW fluff into a GW2 thread and blow smoke up peoples asses and not expect someone to express the other side of the coin. While he may feel they deliver on box price + $15 dollars a month, not everyone does. I know I didn't once I realized how shallow each expansion felt to me. The D3 idea was a great marketing tool and I have seen other companies use similar tactics so I am not knocking it, only lets not bat numbers around when you use things like that because numbers are skewed. I also used the kid example because my inlaws have 2 kids that used to play and they are still to this day paying for WoW subs in case the kids decide to pick it when an expansion drops rather than being pestered to reactivate accounts.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Please tell me this is sarcasm. You can't possibly be that naive.
Another post laced with ad hominem attacks from another "logical" gw2 fan. Sorry if you can't grasp that blizzard has to cater for all sorts of different players... they have to give each content update a wide array of dishes. Sorta like when serving people you take 1 menu, and you create many dishes from that menu, to serve the people that were all picking what they want, from that 1 menu.
Anyway, you are yet another person impervious to logic, because anything logical that supports what blizzard is doing, must be the devil. So until you can actually provide some sorta logical argument, i won't be bothered responding to someone as inflammatory as you. (If I need to dumb this down more for you to understand, I apologize, i've made it as dumbed down as possible)
It's funny because all of the most competent gw2 players, (the ones that are most successful in pve progression and spvp) all find the game so easy and lacking. Yet all the scrubs are so passionate to defend it even though they are absolutely terrible at the game.
It's pretty amazing that the game is still 9million strong after so many years and so many other games coming out. Must be the food.
I wanted to believe you were not here with a certain agenda, then I read your posts and saw your join date. Kind of obvious.
Oh you are so sensible. Which opinions weren't logical? The one where I stated I felt they delivered on what they said and asked you to elaborate? Maybe the one where I stated I didn't feel I got my monies worth and gave examples of why I felt that way rather than saying the game was garbage? Maybe how I said sub numbers were fluffed? I did use profanity when saying that the game released shallow amounts of content per expansion but I would hardly call that illogical.
So in closing, Fan didn't claim game was any way, and still haven't, fan definately didn't get hit with realistic logic because you fail to stay on topic and actual give input into the discussion, and I certainly didn't deny anything because you have yet to say anything about the topic for me to deny. I don't need to step back and look in any mirror because I was speaking directly to you and asking for input. My only thoughts are WTF is this guy talking about and why are you here in a GW2 thread talking WoW greatness and refusing to answer direct questions?
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Kind of odd how you ask people to keep the debate civil, yet you have no problem hurling insults when you feel it is OK to do so.
Your logic is lacking, you clearly have a POV that is WoWcentric and since you love WoW that is fine. But the funny part is you come here to bash GW2 fans for loving their game while showing nothing but love to the game you enjoy. Do you understand how this makes you look silly?
You say you will not respond to inflammatory people, yet you are fanning the flames in nearly every post. Go play WoW and have a great time, let us play GW2 without the people like you who are clearly phony.
Youre still not getting it, and its so ridiculously simple. Its really a shame this actually needs to be explained to you.
Your food analogy is wrong, and absurd. A cook has to make 50 seperate orders from scratch to feed 50 people off of his menu. He doesnt magically duplicate them 50x to feed 50 people and only cook once.
WoW had to be cooked 1 time. They dont recreate the entire game from scratch everytime someone new wants to play. Do you really not get it?
Whats sad is it has nothing to do with either WoW or GW2. It's the way MMOs work. Your entire analogy of there being more to creat ebecause of more people is ridiculous when you try to apply it to ANY game. They are created once, with various aspects to appeal to various people. They dont remake the entire game for every player. But youre so hellbent on trying to defend WoW while trying to talk down GW2 that you dont even see that. Wether I play GW2 or not doesnt matter. Its just flat out stupid to say what you said.