It never ceases to amaze me how hard some people will fight for the rights of companies to keep extracting money out of them to play something they already paid full price for. lol
Originally posted by Eir_S It never ceases to amaze me how hard some people will fight for the rights of companies to keep extracting money out of them to play something they already paid full price for. lol
Bottom line is...there is no right answer. If the company wants to charge and feels the need to charge, then they can charge. If they see that the best thing for them is to launch the game with no sub, but having a cash shop, so be it. Do any of you really, I mean really believe that these companies are launching and coming up with their payment methods in a way that it makes them get less money in order for you to be happy? I mean, seriously? They come up with the plan that works best for them. So when you say, "oh this company is the best because they made it so their plan is totally free." Guess what...they are getting the money from somewhere. When L2 went F2P...I spent more money than I ever did...it made sense the way they did it. It just blows my mind that anyone thinks a company is going to sacrifice their business model just to save you money. That has NOTHING to do with it. They figure out what they want their margins to be, based on things such as EBITDA, expected gross sales, length of game, future content, subscriber fan base, marketing competition, etc.
In the end...they all make money and in some of these cases the company that doesn't charge the fee that many qq about...are actually gauging you the most as their costs were far less...so by % you were charged more. No one can complain about payment models as no one really knows the exact reasons behind the model the company selects.
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Originally posted by Eir_S It never ceases to amaze me how hard some people will fight for the rights of companies to keep extracting money out of them to play something they already paid full price for. lol
Interesting. Are you implying that FTP/BTP games do not extract money from the players? lol
If $15 a month is too much for a hobby you will probably spend a lot of time doing, then you need to get a job/paper round.
A free to play model doesn't fit with Darkfall, there's nothing the devs could sell that would be worth while buying without giving an in-game advantage over other players.
The game doesn't have the newest, shinest character models for people to want to purchase cosmetics.
Not everyone in DF can own a house so buying housing items is moot.
Exp bonuses are a competitive edge especially in the early meta game.
The ONLY thing I can see working is a PLEX system equilivent that lets players play for free aslong as they grind the money to buy them off players in-game. Even them it has the potential to mess up the economy with new gold magically appearing each month.
No idea why people can't grasp simple concepts and jump to completely unrelated subjects.
$15 a month isn't much to pay. Would you pay $15 a month to get kicked in the teeth? No, Why not? Can't afford it?
The problem is the value, if DF was worth a monthly fee people would have stayed. Most didn't so... you can draw your own conclusions from that. My conclusion is that people didn't find it to be worth $15 a month.
DF:UW has a lot to prove before people can see it worth a monthly fee.
If it was simply about being able to afford $15 a month to play, then why aren't we paying a monthly sub for every MMO out there? Why aren't you playing WoW and MO? It's only $15 a month each, can you not afford it?
Do you see how asinine something like that sounds?
DarkFall was fun for a month or two but after the Huge server war there just wasn't much going on in comparison but to grind and grind some more. Didn't see a reason to pay a monthly fee to do that because I saw no value in it.
They're not re-releasing DF1.0 as it was at launch. From your post you seem to be under that impression.
DF1.0 has some major flaws earlier on and that turned a lot of people off from paying £15/month. They've already addressed most of those flaws in DF1.0 and hopefully the rest in DF:UW. A much more refined version of the original is definately worth £15/month.
I'm saying it needs to prove it before many find the value, anything can be said... repeatedly apparently. I'm not saying "everythings the same so F that", I'm saying that they are going to have to show that the monthly fee is warranted this time around. Even with that I'm not overly happy with some of the directions, they went directly against what the community wanted. For example, the Skill System... from what I saw most (including me) wanted something more akin to the system UO has for skills. Instead they incorporated "Classes" or "Roles" which ever you want to call it which is going to be seen by many as an even worse solution than you can have everything at once if you're willing to grind it.
So far, from what I've read and seen some things seem better, some things seem worse. This "new game" has a lot to prove before many will see the value of a monthly fee for it.
Don't listen to this guy I remember him from the early days of DF. He was one of our "guild" crafters in Wessex that was funneled mats to level. Bad idea he quit like a month or two into the game leaving everyones hard work for nothing. Also, pretty sure he quit cause he didn't like "pvp" just wanted to pve and craft. Ya thats right I still remember you cause your a bitch and took our shit then bounced out like a pussy, go ahead and try to deny it I remember seeing you post here right after the incident and being like thats the mother fucker that took our shit and quit.
PS. talkin about grayghost
Nah, I farmed my own to level and then who ever the guild leader was tried telling me I needed to funnel mats to the "Clan Crafter" lol. Clan leader tried to boot me because I refused to funnel someone mats or give 10% of anything but people complained about it because 1 I was already skilled up in crafting lol and 2 Most of you couldn't PvP for crap. As far as didn't like PvP Not only was I one of the main PvPers in Hyperion I was also one of the main antagonist that helped bring down hyperion lol. I'm the reason many of your cities kept getting burned to the ground but intentionally unconquered
Conqeuring a city wasn't a big deal, you can always take it back later, making you constantly pay to rebuild and killing all your players harvesting mats though... now that had an impact muah haa haa haa.
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
GW2 is a pile of boring dog doo.. it lasted me a week before i gfot utterly bored.. if thats the best B2P + Cash shop can offer then no thanks..
Ill stick with DF:UW and a sub as the origional DF was 10x better than GW2 in my opinion..
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
GW2 is a pile of boring dog doo.. it lasted me a week before i gfot utterly bored.. if thats the best B2P + Cash shop can offer then no thanks..
Ill stick with DF:UW and a sub as the origional DF was 10x better than GW2 in my opinion..
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
GW2 is a pile of boring dog doo.. it lasted me a week before i gfot utterly bored.. if thats the best B2P + Cash shop can offer then no thanks..
Ill stick with DF:UW and a sub as the origional DF was 10x better than GW2 in my opinion..
Whats sad is many of you for w/e reason think GW2 is the competition to DF:UW, it isn't. People are looking at other titles when considering DF:UW. Games like ArcheAge and The Repopulation are what comes to mind. The only reason some jumped in about the GW2 business model is because some misguided individual was trying to say that monthly fee got you more than a business model where you buy an expantion every 6 months. GW2 as a game isn't what DF:UW needs to worry about, it's got enough competition in the sandbox area to worry about lol.
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
GW2 is a pile of boring dog doo.. it lasted me a week before i gfot utterly bored.. if thats the best B2P + Cash shop can offer then no thanks..
Ill stick with DF:UW and a sub as the origional DF was 10x better than GW2 in my opinion..
It is your opinion - but I find a game that is decent w/o a sub and an OPTIONAL CS much more refreshing than paying 15 bucks a month for an also ran.
Originally posted by Eir_S It never ceases to amaze me how hard some people will fight for the rights of companies to keep extracting money out of them to play something they already paid full price for. lol
Companies make money. That's what they do. The idea is to offer something of value so the money they charge is worthwhile to the customer.
I'm sure your company makes money no? I mean, do you go to the other managers and say "you know what? Let's charge as little as possible for what we offer. Who cares about profit sharing or year end bonuses or better benefits?
What you see are people who just understand that compnies need to charge for their services. It's up to the consumer to decide if it's worth it.
And it becomes very important to realize that small indy game companies definitely need to make money as they don't have the deep pockets that larger corporations have.
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Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
GW2 is a pile of boring dog doo.. it lasted me a week before i gfot utterly bored.. if thats the best B2P + Cash shop can offer then no thanks..
Ill stick with DF:UW and a sub as the origional DF was 10x better than GW2 in my opinion..
Whats sad is many of you for w/e reason think GW2 is the competition to DF:UW, it isn't. People are looking at other titles when considering DF:UW. Games like ArcheAge and The Repopulation are what comes to mind. The only reason some jumped in about the GW2 business model is because some misguided individual was trying to say that monthly fee got you more than a business model where you buy an expantion every 6 months. GW2 as a game isn't what DF:UW needs to worry about, it's got enough competition in the sandbox area to worry about lol.
No i dont think GW2 is competition for DF i only mentioned it because if the OP post.. in truth i dont think GW2 is competition for anything.. in all the years of playing MMORPGs themeparks and sandboxes when they come along every one has lasted me longer than GW2..
Anyway onto Archage and The repopulation... I dont believe either will have a full loot system and thats a big shame, full loot just brings somthing special to a game.
I have read a few things about archeage that worry me.. the main one is that sieges are kind of semi instanced from the rest of the world ... but i guess im still looknig forward to that but its a few years off yet.. Now The Repopulation is looking better and better everytime i check out the site and im looknig forward to getting my hands on the game.
Its awesome that we are seeing more and more Sandbox games in development it means that current games like Darkfall, MO and a few others are gonig to have to up their game to stay popular
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
People will pay for the world and freedom with unmatched warfare today. I think you underestimate the sandbox crowd. GW2 has proven to fail to deliver anyway.
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
People will pay for the world and freedom with unmatched warfare today. I think you underestimate the sandbox crowd. GW2 has proven to fail to deliver anyway.
The part in Yellow: Yes, the problem is DFO failed to deliver an actual sandbox. It was more about war and PvP that forced you to grind PvE. The combat and action it delivered was pretty epic, but the sandbox elements were missing which is one of the main reasons many left.
I'll gladly pay a monthly fee for a hardcore, skill based FPS style MMO with full loot, and full PvP on a scale from small skirmishes to large seiges, where player skill(not dice rolls) comes to the forefront. All that in a massive, seamless, open, and unforgiveing world where half of the fun is created by the constant threat of being attacked, and the rush of going out on the offensive and not knowing what the outcome will be. You don't get that heart pounding experience ANYWHERE besides Darkfall. To me, it's worth the price of admission.
I never understood these bums that whine about a monthly fee for a service that provides countless hours of entertainment. One single night in a club can easily cost me anywhere between 100-200 euros. If DF really was a real sandbox MMORPG, anywhere near UO level, I would gladly pay even 50 euros every month and i'm not even that wealthy.
DF was shit and I fully expect DF:UW be the same way, but monthly fee is not the damn issue here. If it is for you, you really should consider other hobbies. Like a job for instance.
Definantly going to be picking this game up reguardless of its monthly fee, unlike guildwars this is a real PvP game that is based on tactics unlike the zerging mess going on in WvW I didnt read any posts nor will I but I would assume you are refering to the monthly fee as guildwars is free to play monthly wise atleast. In any case, missed this game on the first go around, found it was pissed it was pretty inactive, now with the expansion it should have the amount of people play that It truely deserves... now if only we could get the developers from mortal online to get their shit together we would have two really well designed games.
I think the people interested in DFUW don't really care about graphics, sound and even less about PvE.
Also, people fussing over 15 bucks a month for unlimited entertainment need a serious reality check.
Amen, so tired of gamers/people complaining and trying to say GW2 is B2p when in fact it has item mail and they charge for content.... which is the same as a sub... Nice try though..
GW2 is no where near like any sandbox, the game is boring...
GW2 isn't even worth the 60 dollars to some of us.
I'd pay a monthly fee to a game that i thought was worth it. It's probably not darkfall , but still. GW2 is where it belongs, in the buy to play. It's not free to play quality sure, but it damn sure isn't p2p quality.
To all those complaining about a monthly fee, there will be a trial.
If you don't like it, then don't play it. Its as simply as that.
If you don't like Full-loot PvP with no safe zones, then DONT BOTHER. I'm sick of hearing people whinge about how they lost their gear when THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO.
Originally posted by LachyFTW Can't wait for this game to crash and burn like the 1st one did.
How did the first one crash and burn? It's one of the only MMOs in the last 8 years that has grown since launch, opened a new server, and expanded their dev team.
They can afford to release a huge overhaul of the game for free. They have a dedicated fanbase that can only grow from here. How is that bad?
Darkfall 1 was a huge disappointment after we waited so many, many years for it. NOw I know we have no great MMORPG right now, but we do have good games such as GW2 with AAA graphics, sound and PVE.
If a game with the quality of GW2 has no monthly fee, I know for sure very, very few people will pay a monthly fee for this game. It will have better quality, but I am certain it will still be full of problems and it will not have modern graphics compared to games such as GW2 and the rest of the new games.
Yea we all want PVP, sandbox, etc. but over $200 a year for games full of bugs and that are not AAA quality is not going to work.
To restate my point, its the quality of the gameplay, UI, etc. that I am saying people will not pay for unless it is actually modernized and working. Why would we pay monthly for a buggy half game stil in development when we can play GW2 free and so many other games.
Darkfall should be THE GAME! I want aventurine to finish the game and make sure the gameplay is top notch before release, if not they will probably just disappear if this game has the same fanbase and problems as the last.
wait wait..
years of anticipation and that $15 a month is the deal breaker?
too funny
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I will gladly pay a monthly fee for a game like this.
Just be glad somebody are actually making a game with this profile, its not that common anymore.
15$ is pocketchange for most people.
^^ This right here. Nothing wrong with paying a fee to play especially when gaming is our hobby. Some people are penny pinchers. To each his own. I will play a game fee or no fee. I don't get grumpy when I find out a game has a sub. After all it use to be standard.
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Bottom line is...there is no right answer. If the company wants to charge and feels the need to charge, then they can charge. If they see that the best thing for them is to launch the game with no sub, but having a cash shop, so be it. Do any of you really, I mean really believe that these companies are launching and coming up with their payment methods in a way that it makes them get less money in order for you to be happy? I mean, seriously? They come up with the plan that works best for them. So when you say, "oh this company is the best because they made it so their plan is totally free." Guess what...they are getting the money from somewhere. When L2 went F2P...I spent more money than I ever did...it made sense the way they did it. It just blows my mind that anyone thinks a company is going to sacrifice their business model just to save you money. That has NOTHING to do with it. They figure out what they want their margins to be, based on things such as EBITDA, expected gross sales, length of game, future content, subscriber fan base, marketing competition, etc.
In the end...they all make money and in some of these cases the company that doesn't charge the fee that many qq about...are actually gauging you the most as their costs were far less...so by % you were charged more. No one can complain about payment models as no one really knows the exact reasons behind the model the company selects.
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Interesting. Are you implying that FTP/BTP games do not extract money from the players? lol
Nah, I farmed my own to level and then who ever the guild leader was tried telling me I needed to funnel mats to the "Clan Crafter" lol. Clan leader tried to boot me because I refused to funnel someone mats or give 10% of anything but people complained about it because 1 I was already skilled up in crafting lol and 2 Most of you couldn't PvP for crap. As far as didn't like PvP Not only was I one of the main PvPers in Hyperion I was also one of the main antagonist that helped bring down hyperion lol. I'm the reason many of your cities kept getting burned to the ground but intentionally unconquered
Conqeuring a city wasn't a big deal, you can always take it back later, making you constantly pay to rebuild and killing all your players harvesting mats though... now that had an impact muah haa haa haa.
Nice try though.
GW2 is a pile of boring dog doo.. it lasted me a week before i gfot utterly bored.. if thats the best B2P + Cash shop can offer then no thanks..
Ill stick with DF:UW and a sub
as the origional DF was 10x better than GW2 in my opinion..
This basically.
GW2 bored the shit out of me.
Darkfall has destroyed me, its like a drug.
Whats sad is many of you for w/e reason think GW2 is the competition to DF:UW, it isn't. People are looking at other titles when considering DF:UW. Games like ArcheAge and The Repopulation are what comes to mind. The only reason some jumped in about the GW2 business model is because some misguided individual was trying to say that monthly fee got you more than a business model where you buy an expantion every 6 months. GW2 as a game isn't what DF:UW needs to worry about, it's got enough competition in the sandbox area to worry about lol.
It is your opinion - but I find a game that is decent w/o a sub and an OPTIONAL CS much more refreshing than paying 15 bucks a month for an also ran.
I'm happy to pay a monthly sub if it garantees the game will never have a cash shop.
XP boosts and fluffy bunnies have no place in Darkfall or any other sandbox MMO.
Also monthly subs are a great community filter without which you end up in a world full of brats and trolls.
Darkfall isn't filled with those? :P
sorry, but games need constant maintenance and work, especially a sandbox mmorpg the size of darkfall.
monthly fee is very fair for this - its only 15 euro's! who can't afford this per month. you'll easily spend at least 60 hours in it per month.
Companies make money. That's what they do. The idea is to offer something of value so the money they charge is worthwhile to the customer.
I'm sure your company makes money no? I mean, do you go to the other managers and say "you know what? Let's charge as little as possible for what we offer. Who cares about profit sharing or year end bonuses or better benefits?
What you see are people who just understand that compnies need to charge for their services. It's up to the consumer to decide if it's worth it.
And it becomes very important to realize that small indy game companies definitely need to make money as they don't have the deep pockets that larger corporations have.
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No i dont think GW2 is competition for DF i only mentioned it because if the OP post.. in truth i dont think GW2 is competition for anything.. in all the years of playing MMORPGs themeparks and sandboxes when they come along every one has lasted me longer than GW2..
Anyway onto Archage and The repopulation... I dont believe either will have a full loot system and thats a big shame, full loot just brings somthing special to a game.
I have read a few things about archeage that worry me.. the main one is that sieges are kind of semi instanced from the rest of the world
... but i guess im still looknig forward to that but its a few years off yet.. Now The Repopulation is looking better and better everytime i check out the site and im looknig forward to getting my hands on the game.
Its awesome that we are seeing more and more Sandbox games in development it means that current games like Darkfall, MO and a few others are gonig to have to up their game to stay popular
People will pay for the world and freedom with unmatched warfare today. I think you underestimate the sandbox crowd. GW2 has proven to fail to deliver anyway.
The part in Yellow: Yes, the problem is DFO failed to deliver an actual sandbox. It was more about war and PvP that forced you to grind PvE. The combat and action it delivered was pretty epic, but the sandbox elements were missing which is one of the main reasons many left.
Part in Red: lol...
dfuw has been remade from ground up
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Amen, so tired of gamers/people complaining and trying to say GW2 is B2p when in fact it has item mail and they charge for content.... which is the same as a sub... Nice try though..
GW2 is no where near like any sandbox, the game is boring...
GW2 isn't even worth the 60 dollars to some of us.
I'd pay a monthly fee to a game that i thought was worth it. It's probably not darkfall , but still. GW2 is where it belongs, in the buy to play. It's not free to play quality sure, but it damn sure isn't p2p quality.
To all those complaining about a monthly fee, there will be a trial.
If you don't like it, then don't play it. Its as simply as that.
If you don't like Full-loot PvP with no safe zones, then DONT BOTHER. I'm sick of hearing people whinge about how they lost their gear when THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO.
How did the first one crash and burn? It's one of the only MMOs in the last 8 years that has grown since launch, opened a new server, and expanded their dev team.
They can afford to release a huge overhaul of the game for free. They have a dedicated fanbase that can only grow from here. How is that bad?
wait wait..
years of anticipation and that $15 a month is the deal breaker?
too funny
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I will gladly pay a monthly fee for a game like this.
Just be glad somebody are actually making a game with this profile, its not that common anymore.
15$ is pocketchange for most people.
^^ This right here. Nothing wrong with paying a fee to play especially when gaming is our hobby. Some people are penny pinchers. To each his own. I will play a game fee or no fee. I don't get grumpy when I find out a game has a sub. After all it use to be standard.