Otherwise why bother with it? Pointless killing is .....well pointless.
Yah, grey ganking got old fast. Yay, I killed someone in 1 hit, that couldn't do anything to hurt me. Nothing challenging about it for me, so no point in it.
LOL you obviously don't understand the mind of a ganker. They certainly don't do it for the challenge of it.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Where GW2 fails , were SWTOR fails Blizz pulls something out of their magic hat.
I walked out of Stormwind and guess what? 2, 3 6 players? Nope I stopped counting at 50+ players , so then
I flew to STV , waste land? 1 or 2 players like Tatooine on SWTOR? nope , ran into 40+ players within 5 minutes of exploring STV.
CRZ is the single best decision Blizzrd has made and its another sword through the heart of the competition.
Learn from this game developers, perfect magic. The world of Azroth is alive again and Im really happy.
If WoW had never lost any of it's millions, I am willing to bet they wouldn't have given two shits about this kind of thing.
Ummmm... yeah... that's kinda the point. They appear to have been faced with an issue and came up with a pretty damn good solution. I'm playing Guild Wars 2 now (well, not right now, servers are down..lol) but it's funny the amount of people who just refuse to give blizzard any credit at all. Sad really. There will always be a spot in my heart for WoW.
Where GW2 fails , were SWTOR fails Blizz pulls something out of their magic hat.
I walked out of Stormwind and guess what? 2, 3 6 players? Nope I stopped counting at 50+ players , so then
I flew to STV , waste land? 1 or 2 players like Tatooine on SWTOR? nope , ran into 40+ players within 5 minutes of exploring STV.
CRZ is the single best decision Blizzrd has made and its another sword through the heart of the competition.
Learn from this game developers, perfect magic. The world of Azroth is alive again and Im really happy.
If WoW had never lost any of it's millions, I am willing to bet they wouldn't have given two shits about this kind of thing.
Ummmm... yeah... that's kinda the point. They appear to have been faced with an issue and came up with a pretty damn good solution. I'm playing Guild Wars 2 now (well, not right now, servers are down..lol) but it's funny the amount of people who just refuse to give blizzard any credit at all. Sad really. There will always be a spot in my heart for WoW.
i can say the same about gw2. i was a fan of gw1, but gw2 really sucks in every aspect. except maybe that it wasnt a real mmo, gw1 was superior in almost every part to gw2. but as every1 says <it has no sub, so its ok whatever it is>
Otherwise why bother with it? Pointless killing is .....well pointless.
But pointless killing is something to do. I never need a reward when I play Gears of War or Call of Duty. Why so in an mmo? The main thing that killed world pvp imo was BG queueing from anywhere and queing in general. Back in Arathi Highlands, there was world pvp because people wanted something to do while they waited for a BG. So they raided the local Alliance town. For fun.
Originally posted by krakra70 As someone who only enjoys world PvP in MMOs and was completely let down by GW2's WvW, I'm very interested in CRZs and the possibility they might revive world pvp. Are they already implemented on live servers or do we have to wait for MoP? What happens if everyone is on a flying mount and refusing to come down to fight? Please tell me more OP and others who play WoW (I havent played since 2010)
I heard they implemented a hook (or something like that) which basically lets you dismount people off their flying mounts. Which should solve the problem where player x runs away and mounts their flying mounts (I am looking at you druids!).
Otherwise why bother with it? Pointless killing is .....well pointless.
But pointless killing is something to do. I never need a reward when I play Gears of War or Call of Duty. Why so in an mmo? The main thing that killed world pvp imo was BG queueing from anywhere and queing in general. Back in Arathi Highlands, there was world pvp because people wanted something to do while they waited for a BG. So they raided the local Alliance town. For fun.
OOOH NOOES! You mean we have to play a game for uuugrh....FUN???!!! Who the hell came up with this stuff? Fun in our games??? Outrageous!
Is this CRZ thingie currently in the game?
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Originally posted by eddieg50 Oh Great a nine year old vs a seven year old in WOW PvP----wahoooo
Well this nine year old guys get some real good money in arena tournaments what you will never see in your beloved game Maybe you ge some old shirt or something like that with red dragon
And what game do you assume this poster is actually playing? because if your some kind of pyshic you haven't got a clue.
As for this open world PvP in WoW, has Blizz actually gone ahead and done a complete revamp of it? nope, all they've done is thrown more players at it, it didn't work a couple of expacs back and it certainly won't change with more players.
If they can fix Open world PvP with a real solution and not just more ppl then perhaps they would deserve some praise, but bringing in cross world servers is lame.
Originally posted by krakra70 As someone who only enjoys world PvP in MMOs and was completely let down by GW2's WvW, I'm very interested in CRZs and the possibility they might revive world pvp. Are they already implemented on live servers or do we have to wait for MoP? What happens if everyone is on a flying mount and refusing to come down to fight? Please tell me more OP and others who play WoW (I havent played since 2010)
I heard they implemented a hook (or something like that) which basically lets you dismount people off their flying mounts. Which should solve the problem where player x runs away and mounts their flying mounts (I am looking at you druids!).
WoW had been needing that ever since they added flying mounts, people say battlegrounds killed World PvP I think it was flying mounts. I still say there should be a cool down on flying mounts limited to 30minuts of flight per day.
I am curious now, is this spike in World PvP just a blip or will it sustain? why are blizzard saying that patch 5.1 is the PvP patch that will bring back the war? Find out soon I guess... exciting times ahead.
Originally posted by eddieg50 Oh Great a nine year old vs a seven year old in WOW PvP----wahoooo
Well this nine year old guys get some real good money in arena tournaments what you will never see in your beloved game Maybe you ge some old shirt or something like that with red dragon
And what game do you assume this poster is actually playing? because if your some kind of pyshic you haven't got a clue.
As for this open world PvP in WoW, has Blizz actually gone ahead and done a complete revamp of it? nope, all they've done is thrown more players at it, it didn't work a couple of expacs back and it certainly won't change with more players.
If they can fix Open world PvP with a real solution and not just more ppl then perhaps they would deserve some praise, but bringing in cross world servers is lame.
Maybe throwing more players at it was all they needed, look at what they tried, with each expansion they have tried something different in regards to PvP maybe the simple solution of having more players in all zones is what is needed, it worked fine in vanillia when every was new to the game and leveling characters through all the zones.
WoW had been needing that ever since they added flying mounts, people say battlegrounds killed World PvP I think it was flying mounts. I still say there should be a cool down on flying mounts limited to 30minuts of flight per day.
I am curious now, is this spike in World PvP just a blip or will it sustain? why are blizzard saying that patch 5.1 is the PvP patch that will bring back the war? Find out soon I guess... exciting times ahead.
If they ever consider that, they better make sure the mount autolands on the nearest flat ground, or there is going to be many dead people falling from the sky...
WoW had been needing that ever since they added flying mounts, people say battlegrounds killed World PvP I think it was flying mounts. I still say there should be a cool down on flying mounts limited to 30minuts of flight per day.
I am curious now, is this spike in World PvP just a blip or will it sustain? why are blizzard saying that patch 5.1 is the PvP patch that will bring back the war? Find out soon I guess... exciting times ahead.
If they ever consider that, they better make sure the mount autolands on the nearest flat ground, or there is going to be many dead people falling from the sky...
Actually, that would be kinda funny.
Parachute's - they're already in the game. There I thought of everything Blizzard do what I say.
It's actually really sad it took them this long to realize Vanilla pvp was on to something. Too bad the game is just so old and done to death that it's become unplayable to me. That combined with GW2 not being a suitable long term game doesn't bode well for online gaming. We may actually see a MMO hiatus soon, first time all my friends have been disenchanted with every MMO out there at the same time.
If they ever consider that, they better make sure the mount autolands on the nearest flat ground, or there is going to be many dead people falling from the sky...
Actually, that would be kinda funny.
Parachute's - they're already in the game. There I thought of everything Blizzard do what I say.
Well, the Engineers are gonna be bitching about everyone getting their parachutes...
Unless the parachutes are usable by everyone, but you have to buy them from the AH, which is posted up by Engineers. Maybe we could make an actual profit unlike Engineering's current status as mega gold sink.
Originally posted by JimmyYO It's actually really sad it took them this long to realize Vanilla pvp was on to something. Too bad the game is just so old and done to death that it's become unplayable to me. That combined with GW2 not being a suitable long term game doesn't bode well for online gaming. We may actually see a MMO hiatus soon, first time all my friends have been disenchanted with every MMO out there at the same time.
I can agree with just about everything you just said. WoW PvP was fun, but now it just feels old.
Give us something new for the love of God, and no TESO, you are not bringing anything new at all. You will get owned by a 8 year old game just as hard as SWTOR and soon GW2.
If SWTOR had combat like battlefront 2, we might of had something, oh well...
I logged back in on my level 80 druid (85 badass lock is on a pve server ...) tonight after 1 1/2 years, 7 day free pass. Wholly shit it's like different game. Took an hour setting up my action bars, then went to the Hyjal portal, and what do you know? I see a guy lying by the portal dead, then see the stunned swirls over another guys head. He dies as two undead rogues hop off and stealthed.
I smiled and thought, "Ah wpvp." I'm gonna see if I can get him to 85 before pandas, then who knows.
btw - whoever says GW2 skill system has more depth, they a lying.
Originally posted by tank017 What's ty world pvp? Cross realm zone? Is this cross server? This thread is making me all sorts of confused
Crossrealm zones is PR spin for server merges on scale of ingame areas. Its effectively only used to merge the zones of hundreds of dead server together while pretending to "increase the amount of player to play with".
Blizzard just didnt want to admit they where in dire need of servermerge so they still merged the playerbase in a slightly different way with lots of gamebreaking issues and sold it as usual as a "feature".
In the end you will never see any more player than possible on a "high" populated WoW server (which is just relative to WoWs total population, not meaning its really high compared to other games) but will have all the issues, permanent design conflicts and bugs coming with the CRZ plus all drawbacks of a servermerge except for renaming conflicts.
For example when you have to deal with competition from 4 other dead server over the same ressource nodes and hurt your already almost dead auctionhouse even more because you cant access theirs. Timezones where conflicting and breaking time-based quests like dailies and scripted events appart. The uncontrolled automatic merges and de-merges pull down your performance. Player of different kind of server (PvE, PvP or even RP-PvE) are mixed all together against their will and of course there is no way to undo or chose which server your zone is merged into leave alone cancel it. Community building as expected didnt work out but is still denied by Blizzard trying to force real id on the user.
Basically CRZ is only appreciated by a handful of high level ganker per server abusing the lack of consequences ganking other player on other server and of course the usual rabid fanbois. Otherwise its probably the biggest failure and disaster of a sloppily designed feature in the past half decade in this whole genre. Even worse for a game so long after launch and so much potential funding obviously not used on development rather than some more TV ads and ad banner.
CRZ is a response to the fact WoW is a top heavy game. At high level the game is full of life, but in leveling zones it is empty. CRZ gives players a chance to play with other players instead of an empty zone.
This is a great solution to the problem of a top heavy game. Good job Blizzard.
Where GW2 fails , were SWTOR fails Blizz pulls something out of their magic hat.
I walked out of Stormwind and guess what? 2, 3 6 players? Nope I stopped counting at 50+ players , so then
I flew to STV , waste land? 1 or 2 players like Tatooine on SWTOR? nope , ran into 40+ players within 5 minutes of exploring STV.
CRZ is the single best decision Blizzrd has made and its another sword through the heart of the competition.
Learn from this game developers, perfect magic. The world of Azroth is alive again and Im really happy.
So long for the consistent open world zones. First they take away ALL the open world group content (in a MMORPG), and now they drop random nobodies from other realms to fracture even more the server communities, and to mess with your quest mobs and gathering nodes, in a complete SOLO open world, with no open world PvP rewards.
Who's making the calls at Blizzard anymore? The pace at which they keep messing up this game is ridiculous. I used to love this company, now they release games like SC2 - the new skin edition. Diablo 3, it was actually okay for the 3 weeks I played it, I guess I'm one of the few thinking it was nice.
Bioware went down the drain too... I used to get excited when I heard companies like Blizzard or Bioware announce some new products, or expansions, now it's more like: oh well, lets see. I dont know what to say, meh? Sorry for morphing into a rant, it's been a so long time since the last time I heard these companies did something that I felt like was the right thing, but these crap decisions keep coming. Maybe EA infected them? Well Bioware at least lol.
I really fear what kind of a steaming pile of dung Titan might end up being after news and decisions like this.
I hand it to Blizzard... it is a nice attempt at making their once full game look alive to all servers. Instead of merging servers because of population drops they put this system in. For the world pvp, if they ever wanted to make it balanced they would have put level balancing into each zone like in GW2 and a few other mmos so that players no matter what zone were on equal levels to fight for each zone.
Does this make me all of a sudden want to go back to a boring quest grind game with out dated graphics and combat system? Absolutely NO.
There is one solution for all the people who are unhappy with these changes.
Why do you people roll on a PLAYER vs PLAYER server when you don't want to kill Horde? Blizzard should just offer a free transfer from PvP servers > PvE servers so that all the PvErs can go to their PvE servers and pick daisies and hug teddy bears and play together, GW2 style.
PVE servers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this way. Kthnxbye?
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LOL you obviously don't understand the mind of a ganker. They certainly don't do it for the challenge of it.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
You're the only one who said hardcore pvpers.
They didn't say it was hardcore, they said it was fun.
That was my point. Apparently Ghern can read minds from hundreds if not thousands of miles, a nice talent indeed.
Ummmm... yeah... that's kinda the point. They appear to have been faced with an issue and came up with a pretty damn good solution. I'm playing Guild Wars 2 now (well, not right now, servers are down..lol) but it's funny the amount of people who just refuse to give blizzard any credit at all. Sad really. There will always be a spot in my heart for WoW.
i can say the same about gw2. i was a fan of gw1, but gw2 really sucks in every aspect. except maybe that it wasnt a real mmo, gw1 was superior in almost every part to gw2. but as every1 says <it has no sub, so its ok whatever it is>
+1
But pointless killing is something to do. I never need a reward when I play Gears of War or Call of Duty. Why so in an mmo? The main thing that killed world pvp imo was BG queueing from anywhere and queing in general. Back in Arathi Highlands, there was world pvp because people wanted something to do while they waited for a BG. So they raided the local Alliance town. For fun.
I heard they implemented a hook (or something like that) which basically lets you dismount people off their flying mounts. Which should solve the problem where player x runs away and mounts their flying mounts (I am looking at you druids!).
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/86584 - Found it!
OOOH NOOES! You mean we have to play a game for uuugrh....FUN???!!! Who the hell came up with this stuff? Fun in our games??? Outrageous!
Is this CRZ thingie currently in the game?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
And what game do you assume this poster is actually playing? because if your some kind of pyshic you haven't got a clue.
As for this open world PvP in WoW, has Blizz actually gone ahead and done a complete revamp of it? nope, all they've done is thrown more players at it, it didn't work a couple of expacs back and it certainly won't change with more players.
If they can fix Open world PvP with a real solution and not just more ppl then perhaps they would deserve some praise, but bringing in cross world servers is lame.
WoW had been needing that ever since they added flying mounts, people say battlegrounds killed World PvP I think it was flying mounts. I still say there should be a cool down on flying mounts limited to 30minuts of flight per day.
I am curious now, is this spike in World PvP just a blip or will it sustain? why are blizzard saying that patch 5.1 is the PvP patch that will bring back the war? Find out soon I guess... exciting times ahead.
Maybe throwing more players at it was all they needed, look at what they tried, with each expansion they have tried something different in regards to PvP maybe the simple solution of having more players in all zones is what is needed, it worked fine in vanillia when every was new to the game and leveling characters through all the zones.
If they ever consider that, they better make sure the mount autolands on the nearest flat ground, or there is going to be many dead people falling from the sky...
Actually, that would be kinda funny.
Parachute's - they're already in the game. There I thought of everything Blizzard do what I say.
Spontaneous PvP battles were awesome fun in WoW. Call me sick but ganking others can be tremendous fun too.
Not that you are really being 'ganked'.. you can always play on a PvE server if you dont like the 'war' part of the game.
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Well, the Engineers are gonna be bitching about everyone getting their parachutes...
Unless the parachutes are usable by everyone, but you have to buy them from the AH, which is posted up by Engineers. Maybe we could make an actual profit unlike Engineering's current status as mega gold sink.
I can agree with just about everything you just said. WoW PvP was fun, but now it just feels old.
Give us something new for the love of God, and no TESO, you are not bringing anything new at all. You will get owned by a 8 year old game just as hard as SWTOR and soon GW2.
If SWTOR had combat like battlefront 2, we might of had something, oh well...
On the stregnth of OP.
I logged back in on my level 80 druid (85 badass lock is on a pve server ...) tonight after 1 1/2 years, 7 day free pass. Wholly shit it's like different game. Took an hour setting up my action bars, then went to the Hyjal portal, and what do you know? I see a guy lying by the portal dead, then see the stunned swirls over another guys head. He dies as two undead rogues hop off and stealthed.
I smiled and thought, "Ah wpvp." I'm gonna see if I can get him to 85 before pandas, then who knows.
btw - whoever says GW2 skill system has more depth, they a lying.
CRZ is a response to the fact WoW is a top heavy game. At high level the game is full of life, but in leveling zones it is empty. CRZ gives players a chance to play with other players instead of an empty zone.
This is a great solution to the problem of a top heavy game. Good job Blizzard.
CRZ is good for pvp servers for pvp'rs
Its awful for everyone else.
how is that different from any game with World PvP full time flagging aka PvP server?
the way you worded that you made it seem like that wasnt normally expected from PvP server environment .
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So long for the consistent open world zones. First they take away ALL the open world group content (in a MMORPG), and now they drop random nobodies from other realms to fracture even more the server communities, and to mess with your quest mobs and gathering nodes, in a complete SOLO open world, with no open world PvP rewards.
Who's making the calls at Blizzard anymore? The pace at which they keep messing up this game is ridiculous. I used to love this company, now they release games like SC2 - the new skin edition. Diablo 3, it was actually okay for the 3 weeks I played it, I guess I'm one of the few thinking it was nice.
Bioware went down the drain too... I used to get excited when I heard companies like Blizzard or Bioware announce some new products, or expansions, now it's more like: oh well, lets see. I dont know what to say, meh? Sorry for morphing into a rant, it's been a so long time since the last time I heard these companies did something that I felt like was the right thing, but these crap decisions keep coming. Maybe EA infected them? Well Bioware at least lol.
I really fear what kind of a steaming pile of dung Titan might end up being after news and decisions like this.
I hand it to Blizzard... it is a nice attempt at making their once full game look alive to all servers. Instead of merging servers because of population drops they put this system in. For the world pvp, if they ever wanted to make it balanced they would have put level balancing into each zone like in GW2 and a few other mmos so that players no matter what zone were on equal levels to fight for each zone.
Does this make me all of a sudden want to go back to a boring quest grind game with out dated graphics and combat system? Absolutely NO.
There is one solution for all the people who are unhappy with these changes.
Why do you people roll on a PLAYER vs PLAYER server when you don't want to kill Horde? Blizzard should just offer a free transfer from PvP servers > PvE servers so that all the PvErs can go to their PvE servers and pick daisies and hug teddy bears and play together, GW2 style.
PVE servers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this way. Kthnxbye?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.