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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
But yes GW2 had dropped down to 4th on the XFire chart and isn't far from 5th. WoW has gone back up to 2nd and is almost twice the game hours now as GW2 has. GW2, like all MMOs in recent years, has a steadily declining population as it will for the first 2/3 months and then the decline will slow down, as it does for all MMOs. This isn't something to be defensive about, it is the nature of the industry and how gamers currently approach it.
news flash, Blizzard just released an expansion yesterday. What surprised me is that WoW's numbers were not in the high 80's or low 90's. Wasn't but a year or two back WoW never dipped below 125 - 150 K hours.
And your point is that GW2 people jumped ship to WoW which cause WoW's numbers to pop back up and GW2 numbers to drop significantly?
I don't see how that helps the GW2 fan's point of view.
I hate WoW and don't play it. I tried GW2 and it sucks to be blunt. I don't care which one does better, I just like XFire arguments because it is amazing the things people will come up with to explain why their game isn't doing so well.
25th of September - GW2 9000 users WoW 10000 users.
So lets conclude GW2 has around 90% of the population of WoW.
Oh lets wait for the things people will come up with to explain why their game isn't doing so well.
I know that is the number we should ignore for a b and c.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I've created an account years ago when it had just launched but since then didn't use it anymore.
Also I've consistently asked who was using it in every guild I've been in for all the games I played (to check what folks were using to stay in touch outside of game and / or use to stream) and the result was the same everywhere: the majority of members didn't know what it even is and of those that knew it over all the years the total that confirmed they used is can be counted on 1 hand so my vote should count for more than 1 :P
Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?
Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.
One of the major things I hate about scientiftic polls, because it's all 100% guess work there's no true science behind it at all.
Are you joking or what? Scientifical polls are based on statistical mathematics which is very much a science. That is why a properly done poll very rarely have a greater than 3-4% margin of error.
Not saying XFire qualified for that, mainly because the sample selection is unknown, but polls are definetely not guess work.
I've created an account years ago when it had just launched but since then didn't use it anymore.
Also I've consistently asked who was using it in every guild I've been in for all the games I played (to check what folks were using to stay in touch outside of game and / or use to stream) and the result was the same everywhere: the majority of members didn't know what it even is and of those that knew it over all the years the total that confirmed they used is can be counted on 1 hand so my vote should count for more than 1 :P
Question, how many do you know who have taken part in a voting poll? I don't know any and the reason is that a properly done statisical poll does not need a selection of more than a thousand or two. Compared that to the millions of voters and you can understand why you may not know someone taken part of a poll yet the poll can be pretty accurate.
What it basically boils down to is how they have made the selection of those 1-2000 people.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?
Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.
That's a lie!
You need 500-1000 people who is REPRESENTATIVE of the general population. Not any 500-1000 people. Great pain in suffered to make the selection REPERASENTATIVE in "scientific polls" and yet they fail half the time.
I think I used/cared about Xfire once for like.. a week and had it on my Sig here at MMORPG.com... years and years ago.
Never really saw the point? Bragging to people about how much time you've played a game? Keeping track of your own play time?
Never understood.
Always worth a laugh when people quote xfire numbers as some kind of gospel on how well a game is doing.
Are xfire numbers significant?
Small sample size + diverse unrepresentative sample + voluntary/at-will participation = no one cares.
Can you tell me one time it's been wrong in predicting a downward trend? One example please? Just one.
How about a couple weeks ago when according to Xfire only about 5000 were playing WoW. Did anyone think WoW was a dying game because of that? Of course not. The fact is if you claim every game is dying you will be right a few times. It takes no skill to say the same thing every day.
I think I used/cared about Xfire once for like.. a week and had it on my Sig here at MMORPG.com... years and years ago.
Never really saw the point? Bragging to people about how much time you've played a game? Keeping track of your own play time?
Never understood.
Always worth a laugh when people quote xfire numbers as some kind of gospel on how well a game is doing.
Are xfire numbers significant?
Small sample size + diverse unrepresentative sample + voluntary/at-will participation = no one cares.
Can you tell me one time it's been wrong in predicting a downward trend? One example please? Just one.
How about a couple weeks ago when according to Xfire only about 5000 were playing WoW. Did anyone think WoW was a dying game because of that? Of course not. The fact is if you claim every game is dying you will be right a few times. It takes no skill to say the same thing every day.
hehehe...owned.
Yeah, WoW had a pretty massive decline when GW2 came out, but now it's probably going to be up again with MoP.
I don't use it. I'd never heard of it before joining this site and I don't need anything other than the games I play to tell me how long I've been playing. /age
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
I think I used/cared about Xfire once for like.. a week and had it on my Sig here at MMORPG.com... years and years ago.
Never really saw the point? Bragging to people about how much time you've played a game? Keeping track of your own play time?
Never understood.
Always worth a laugh when people quote xfire numbers as some kind of gospel on how well a game is doing.
Are xfire numbers significant?
Small sample size + diverse unrepresentative sample + voluntary/at-will participation = no one cares.
Can you tell me one time it's been wrong in predicting a downward trend? One example please? Just one.
How about a couple weeks ago when according to Xfire only about 5000 were playing WoW. Did anyone think WoW was a dying game because of that? Of course not. The fact is if you claim every game is dying you will be right a few times. It takes no skill to say the same thing every day.
The fact is that any game that is dying will also most likely do so in Xfire.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
LOL Who uses that crap nowadays! I mean c'mon! A free service that bundles voice chat and video recording with auto-patching and the ability to talk to people in-game using minimal bandwith and CPU usage (unless you are still running a VIC 20 on 56k internet). The horror!
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Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?
Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?
Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.
Keep in mind Xfire is nowhere near scientific.
Xfire is only accurate at showing how many Xfire users are playing particular games. It is not a good sampling of players of a particular game.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
As someone who was forced to take several advanced stats classes I've not seen one person on here who has a decent understanding of stats.
IE xfire is just for fun because it's not a good source...
Why?
Okay so lets take a poll of people who own more than 5 guns on who should be President in 2012...
Okay lets take a poll of xfire users on which game they are playing right now...
Same issue. The results are not significant because many demographics don't use xfire.... xfire is just for trolling eachother.
Actually I would say your's is the worst argument so far.
Gun owners are a specific demographic in the U.S. but...
Gamers are also already a demographic and X-Fire takes a sample size of that demographic. That allows you to compare game to game.
Xfire already splits it out by individual game and tracks usage. You now have another demographic specific to the game in question. When that group plays less or stops playing it is an easy correlation to the rest of those who play the same game but do not use XFire.
You would not, for example, find a time when a game doubled it's playerbase and time played by those players, but the Xfire numbers for that game were cut in half.
The biggest problem is one that is common on the internet. It is the "So what if the XFire numbers went down, me and my friends are still playing therefore it cannot be correct". It is the same argument used to try and say any data, no matter how factual, can not be correct because the user is personally doing something different than that data. You show actual movie ticket sales numbers have been constantly declining and someone will say that all though that is direct factual data it can't be correct because they saw every Twilight movie and are therefore going to the movies more often than before.
I think I used/cared about Xfire once for like.. a week and had it on my Sig here at MMORPG.com... years and years ago.
Never really saw the point? Bragging to people about how much time you've played a game? Keeping track of your own play time?
Never understood.
Always worth a laugh when people quote xfire numbers as some kind of gospel on how well a game is doing.
Are xfire numbers significant?
Small sample size + diverse unrepresentative sample + voluntary/at-will participation = no one cares.
Can you tell me one time it's been wrong in predicting a downward trend? One example please? Just one.
How about a couple weeks ago when according to Xfire only about 5000 were playing WoW. Did anyone think WoW was a dying game because of that? Of course not. The fact is if you claim every game is dying you will be right a few times. It takes no skill to say the same thing every day.
The fact is that any game that is dying will also most likely do so in Xfire.
Of course. Its not like Xfire is the Nostradamus of game predicting. It reflects its population and I doubt Xfires population is really all that different from others. If I had to guess I would think Xfire attracts a more hardcore and informed crowd and not the casual crowd but thats a guess. That said I would not expect to see Xfire numbers stay high on a dying game.
As someone who was forced to take several advanced stats classes I've not seen one person on here who has a decent understanding of stats.
IE xfire is just for fun because it's not a good source...
Why?
Okay so lets take a poll of people who own more than 5 guns on who should be President in 2012...
Okay lets take a poll of xfire users on which game they are playing right now...
Same issue. The results are not significant because many demographics don't use xfire.... xfire is just for trolling eachother.
Actually I would say your's is the worst argument so far.
Gun owners are a specific demographic in the U.S. but...
Gamers are also already a demographic and X-Fire takes a sample size of that demographic. That allows you to compare game to game.
Xfire already splits it out by individual game and tracks usage. You now have another demographic specific to the game in question. When that group plays less or stops playing it is an easy correlation to the rest of those who play the same game but do not use XFire.
You would not, for example, find a time when a game doubled it's playerbase and time played by those players, but the Xfire numbers for that game were cut in half.
The biggest problem is one that is common on the internet. It is the "So what if the XFire numbers went down, me and my friends are still playing therefore it cannot be correct". It is the same argument used to try and say any data, no matter how factual, can not be correct because the user is personally doing something different than that data. You show actual movie ticket sales numbers have been constantly declining and someone will say that all though that is direct factual data it can't be correct because they saw every Twilight movie and are therefore going to the movies more often than before.
I would disagree.Whilst gamers being a demographic I do not agree that xfire is a fair cross section of that demographic.Most xfire users coem from a specific time in gaming when it was fairly popular,a time that is long gone and are the only ones who still bother to use it,apart from peopel who that group also forces to use it to paly with them.
Also you never se xfire nubmers quoted unless they agree with the posters opinion of a game so it's not even a fair representation of the data of an already unfari representation of the gaming demographic IMO.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
25th of September - GW2 9000 users WoW 10000 users.
So lets conclude GW2 has around 90% of the population of WoW.
Oh lets wait for the things people will come up with to explain why their game isn't doing so well.
I know that is the number we should ignore for a b and c.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I've created an account years ago when it had just launched but since then didn't use it anymore.
Also I've consistently asked who was using it in every guild I've been in for all the games I played (to check what folks were using to stay in touch outside of game and / or use to stream) and the result was the same everywhere: the majority of members didn't know what it even is and of those that knew it over all the years the total that confirmed they used is can be counted on 1 hand so my vote should count for more than 1 :P
Are you joking or what? Scientifical polls are based on statistical mathematics which is very much a science. That is why a properly done poll very rarely have a greater than 3-4% margin of error.
Not saying XFire qualified for that, mainly because the sample selection is unknown, but polls are definetely not guess work.
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Question, how many do you know who have taken part in a voting poll? I don't know any and the reason is that a properly done statisical poll does not need a selection of more than a thousand or two. Compared that to the millions of voters and you can understand why you may not know someone taken part of a poll yet the poll can be pretty accurate.
What it basically boils down to is how they have made the selection of those 1-2000 people.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Nop i don´t use Xfire...never had.
That's a lie!
You need 500-1000 people who is REPRESENTATIVE of the general population. Not any 500-1000 people. Great pain in suffered to make the selection REPERASENTATIVE in "scientific polls" and yet they fail half the time.
Ok enough of being a pedant for today. Cheers.
How about a couple weeks ago when according to Xfire only about 5000 were playing WoW. Did anyone think WoW was a dying game because of that? Of course not. The fact is if you claim every game is dying you will be right a few times. It takes no skill to say the same thing every day.
hehehe...owned.
Yeah, WoW had a pretty massive decline when GW2 came out, but now it's probably going to be up again with MoP.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Never even heard of xfire until people started posting statistics.
What does it do? Just keep track of what you play? Sounds kinda spywareish to me.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
The fact is that any game that is dying will also most likely do so in Xfire.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
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Axe to grind...
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
As someone who was forced to take several advanced stats classes I've not seen one person on here who has a decent understanding of stats.
IE xfire is just for fun because it's not a good source...
Why?
Okay so lets take a poll of people who own more than 5 guns on who should be President in 2012...
Okay lets take a poll of xfire users on which game they are playing right now...
Same issue. The results are not significant because many demographics don't use xfire.... xfire is just for trolling eachother.
I have an xfire profile since 2005 or so but I never use it.
Keep in mind Xfire is nowhere near scientific.
Xfire is only accurate at showing how many Xfire users are playing particular games. It is not a good sampling of players of a particular game.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
Actually I would say your's is the worst argument so far.
Gun owners are a specific demographic in the U.S. but...
Gamers are also already a demographic and X-Fire takes a sample size of that demographic. That allows you to compare game to game.
Xfire already splits it out by individual game and tracks usage. You now have another demographic specific to the game in question. When that group plays less or stops playing it is an easy correlation to the rest of those who play the same game but do not use XFire.
You would not, for example, find a time when a game doubled it's playerbase and time played by those players, but the Xfire numbers for that game were cut in half.
The biggest problem is one that is common on the internet. It is the "So what if the XFire numbers went down, me and my friends are still playing therefore it cannot be correct". It is the same argument used to try and say any data, no matter how factual, can not be correct because the user is personally doing something different than that data. You show actual movie ticket sales numbers have been constantly declining and someone will say that all though that is direct factual data it can't be correct because they saw every Twilight movie and are therefore going to the movies more often than before.
Of course. Its not like Xfire is the Nostradamus of game predicting. It reflects its population and I doubt Xfires population is really all that different from others. If I had to guess I would think Xfire attracts a more hardcore and informed crowd and not the casual crowd but thats a guess. That said I would not expect to see Xfire numbers stay high on a dying game.
I would disagree.Whilst gamers being a demographic I do not agree that xfire is a fair cross section of that demographic.Most xfire users coem from a specific time in gaming when it was fairly popular,a time that is long gone and are the only ones who still bother to use it,apart from peopel who that group also forces to use it to paly with them.
Also you never se xfire nubmers quoted unless they agree with the posters opinion of a game so it's not even a fair representation of the data of an already unfari representation of the gaming demographic IMO.