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My 2 cents - I don't mind the ads nor would I block them. Nothing is free in life, and the people who maintain this website need to feed thier families. Blocking ads and still participating in the discussions on this website is lame.
Either unblock the ads or find a new forum to discuss MMOs, blockers should be ashamed of themselves, but they won't, pirates ruin it all for everyone else and laugh about it.
+1. It's like people think mmorpg.com is stealing from them or something.
omg I'm so offended, a site I visit everyday and enjoy wants to stay afloat...
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy
And for MMORPGs ever so true...
Today I unsubscribe from your newsletter and stop visitng this site.
LOL, wow. Tell me how it is no different than piracy? Would you prefer that everyone blocked the ads and the website shut down?
I might quit visiting this site, not because of the ads, but because of all of the whiny crybabies that have no idea how the real world works. This whole thread is a complete embarrassment and it makes me ashamed to be a part of the MMO community.
Would seems more like you have no idea how the real world works. If you scoff at your customer base, in any field whatsoever, there will be a backlash that can lead to having to shutdown the company.
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You need to admit everyone involved in this topic has acted pretty poorly. What the admin said was severely inappropriate and it was a insult to everyone who visits this site. I side myself the people taking offense being called a pirate. It was something that shouldn't have been said and the fact he hasn't issued a apology speaks volumes. That's not to say that the community has acted maturely also. There have been quite a lot of drama queens in this topic saying they will leave the site over this. If this is even a factor in you leaving the site you didn't add anything to this community anyway.
I whitelist sites if they ask and they provide good content.
MMORPG provides good content (I don't agree with all of their reviews but that's expected) so I don't see an issue with whitelisting them.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
This is a horrible comparison. They are not the same at all.
As stated by others, ads are about annoyance and security. Nothing ever has to happen on your end for you to end up inadvertantly serving us malware/injection through a third party provider.
Personally, I run Adblock+ and Noscript with some extra filters. I already made it so I'm not forced to see certain things you added for when people are not logged in. I could easily do so for whatever you add in the future with a few seconds of element inspection and an added filter to catch and collapse it so I never see it. I could do that for the background ads you use, but I do not. I don't find them obtrusive as they are static and not garish. It's all a fine line really. I do not envy your situation and feel for your need to generate income.
However. I am appalled by your statement quoted above about theft. To that end, I will not be reading or posting to this site ever again. I will not be participating in what you liken to theft. There are way better ways to go about this.
Feel free to delete my account. Good luck with your site.
This pretty much sums up the 'entitlement' issue that we see everyday in the world.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
It has nothing to do with entitlement and everything with respect and good manners. Which the Admin showed not.
Have No Fear Cohas is here!!!
No not everyone...
A lot of people probably don't have a problem with ads. The thing is they rely on flash ads which programs like noscript block for a reason. They pose a risk. With that said this sites had some big issues with malware in the past. Not so much related to ads but in general. Honestly, a few hours ago I wrote a really long post and just canceled it. Came off kind of rant'ish. I'm not a very good writer either. I will try again as well as try and keep it short.
Is MMORPG.com not in the advertisement business? Is this not their site? Why is their main source of income a 3rd party advertiser if they are advertisers themselves? Middle-man for the middle-man anyone? Why is it not just another source of income and it doesn't really matter if those flash ads get blocked or not.
Where is the donation feature for users who would like an ad free experience. I am not one of them but many have already stated they would participate in such a feature. As long as it doesn't become something that posters can hold over other posters heads, where is the issue with this?
Where are the referral links for companies who have such programs or would be interested? Put the links up on the overview page. Doesn't have to be anything flashy. If someone clicks it and it takes them to the main game site to make a purchase and they do, MMORPG.com gets a small fee.
Companies ignoring this site because it does not have a large enough as well active user base? How much talent or good posters has this site cultivated from the current user base in an attempt to draw more people in? Did the Admin even talk to that guy who did that 3D MMORPG.com graphic awhile back? I know some mod somewhere knows exactly what I am talking about. The guy said that he basically just did it in his spare time. It was really, really good. No use for someone like that to help draw new visitors in? Maybe short animations or something?
What about someone like Quizzical? He breaks down fairly technical stuff into very easy to consume fashion. He doesn't show a bias based on brand name. He goes out of his way to help others with builds so that they know exactly what they are buying and why. The staff here know that he is knowledgeable. It's kind of freaking hard to miss. He creates well written posts. Let him do hardware news or something and give him a front page slot. See if he can help get discussion flowing. For that matter they can't see if any hardware vendors might be interested in a trial run for a couple of review articles done by him? With a referral link kind of deal. As long as they don't mind that he can speak his mind freely, what would the problem with that be? Some company out there has to be interested.
I do admit that I assume that he would be interested. Sorry Quizzical if I am out of place saying so.
Matter of fact in general why is most of the staff so scarce on this site. I see a lot of moderation but very little activity from the admin and staff within the community itself. I do admit MikeB pops his head in and out of threads from time to time but not very often. Amana seems like a pretty fair mod but never really says much. Is he or she not allowed to post on their official accounts?
What about that Steam community group or is that just a clique type thing. I joined it brieftly just to see what all if anything special was happening events or whatever and chat was dead. I didn't really see any event posts other than someone posting about trading games.. I mean really?
Those are just a few instances that came to mind immediately. There are a decent amount good quality posters and talent that has stood out in the past. I do have a bad memory however. Quizzical just stands out. So why not give the people that stand out a spot to promote themselves if they want to as well as help promote the site. If it starts drawing in more users wouldn't that help give this site more opportunities. I forgot though it's all about posting pages of tits and ass photos when the staff goes to a gaming convention. This site lists 100+ mmo's and the Admin can't figure out how to monetize that? Seems more like missed opportunity to me.
"We're pirates because third party ads from a third party site for a third party site don't work on some peoples browser." I think him saying it was a calculated move to try and put people on a guilt trip using the "P" word. Not saying I have all the answers by any stretch. But I don't need to be an expert to know that they aren't coming anywhere close to the potential that this site has and that's without driving away it's user base or insulting them.
Ahh f... it. tired and it's longer than I wanted and probably a bit rant'ish though not my intention.. :S Anway pretty much done posting in this topic. It's all been said over and over.. I just think something is really wrong with the way this site opperates if those flash ads is this sites main source of income and not just another form of income.
There is also the malware side of things, adds from third parties, which the admins have already admitted, the adds are sourced from another location, they just 'display' them. Firefox is probably one of the most secure browsers, mostly down to the add-ons that increase the browser protection, from ad block plus, to ghostery, and of course, no script. even on this page ghostery shows me that its blocked 4 trackers - google adsense/analytics quantcast and viglink.. which compared to other sites is actually very few i've seen ghostery report blocking over a dozen sometimes (newspapers websites can be terrible for that!). Well that may sound like paranoia level of browser security, but, you do hear a lot of how people were hacked via drive by malware, just from visiting a web page, so yeah, i also use web of trust...
Part of the problem is that a good many web pages out there are just advertising 'land mines' add ons like adblock and there are several varieties of it, exist to protect the user from, not just annoying adverts that try to dominate the web page your looking at, but pop ups pop unders, and other slightly dodgy methods often more associated with malware than real advertising, its good that THIS website isnt one of those, but it also means that there will be people that don't feel comfortable with removing something that they consider to be protecting their computer, even if it isnt.. much.
I'd be willing to pay a subscription fee, if it weren't too high. But I won't stop blocking ads. If your unblocking attempts get overly annoying or restrictive, I'll sadly remove mmorpg.com from my bookmarks.
Also, I have to wonder...how do you know? How much personal information from my browser are you folks collecting?
This does not make me a happy camper.
I didn't realize asking people to support contents that this site provide is 'not respectful or good manners'.
Respect and good manners goes both ways but then again, the 'entitlement' issue that gamer has is wide spread so I can understand if you don't see it.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I don't mind the CEO/Admin calling me a Pirate. He is not lying, I am one!
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I didn't realize calling people who run adblockers stealing pirtaes was respectful. Respect is given not demanded, but if someone isn't respectful in the first place, than don't expect respect back. I can understand if you don't understand that though, since you didn't see it that way in the first place.
You are far too paranoid.
I've been visting this site for over 6 years, and as you can see from my post count it must be pretty freaking often.
Not one single infection from an ad on this site, not one in 6 years. And I only have average anti-virus controls in place.
So how much of a guarentee are you looking for?
I'll grant you, visiting porn sites like [mod edit] probably gets you infected, but here is as safe as YouTube or anywhere else.
Take off the tin foil hat and white list the site, it's safe to go back into the water.
And to the folks with all the self righteous indigination over the comment by the Admin, to quote CCP, "Harden the F up!"
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Sigh, unless you have proof of such allegations, you are committing libel against the operators of the site.
Just because you are hiding behind your computer doesn't give you the right to behave in an uncivil manner.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I'm not unblocking the ads and I'm sticking around. A yo ho ho, a pirate's life for me.
But you know; for piracy to be piracy you have to steal something and then profit from it. Or at least use it.
I'm looking at information.
In other words..
a yo ho ho