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So darkfall is the exception, point still stands for other games/beliefs/attitudes.
you should definitaley check out the Germs dude...I think you'd like them man!!!!
Thanks, I will
Who decides whats generic baseless mindless and mundane? The older generation hated Elvis when he started, same with the beatles. Mozart was the subject of major criticism in his day.
Your tastes are not superior.
I think your attempts at reverse psychology are feeble at best. I like what I like because I like them....I dont focus on outside opinion. Whether you want to or not, the minute you turn your tv on or listen to your friend talk about the weather or what they are going to paint their wall the next day, you immediately accept that as the most important things in life....this is the pop culture...you can deny it all you want, but just look around you....credit is the new gold, fashion is the new frugal and "pragmatic" is the new realistic/rational. It's the way masses mold the minions....
the beatles and mozart were great because they made their own music...just as anyone before or after them have done.
Elvis, on the other hand, is only credited for writing one of his songs (Ain't nothing but a hound dog..a very memorable song, was written by "Big Momma Thornton" in the late 1920's...reasearch guides me...nothing else), which was a forgetful song at best. Yet people deem him the "king of rock'n'roll".....what happened to Chuck Berry?
There is no reverse psychology being used. I didn't start that or imply you were being influenced by it.
Yo say you like what you like because you like them, and dont' focus on outside opinion. Great good for you, why don't you extend others the same courtesy until you have evidence that the individual did not do that.
Yes people are influened by what goes on around. No Most do not immediately accept that as the most important things in life. I think you find that most people are actually more discerning than that.
The pop culture is nothing more than what the majority likes.
Credit has always been important back to babylon days, fashion has always figured in sociey back to babylon days, and people have always had a pragmatic sense. This is nothing new, they are as hold as humanity itself.
actuallly, credit didnt become king in America until the early 1900's...even then it didnt have good footing until Nixon claimed "We're all Kaynsians Now".....fashion is something Robespierre raved about and I still despise it to this day....Im more worried about the detail of though than the detail of look (I know this is just opinion.) Pragmatic is the most objectiveless way of thinking you could come across....Pragmatic = "well it has four legs and a stable top that connects them all so it seems like a chair, but what we need now is a table, so, for pragmatic reasons only, we'll call it a table.
England had debtors prison so credit had been around for hundreds of years. Ancient Rome had distinct fashion of marking your outfit to show how important you were.
Pragmatism is not objectiveless. Pragmatism is being objective, of dealing with facts. It is the linking of theory with practice. Pragmatism is trying to arrive at the truth of things in term is their successfull and practical applications. It is a practical approach to problem solving.
wife aggro, Ill answer tommorow...hold that thought...love the debate though
In my humble opinion, you are confusing entertainment with art and using the "pretentious" card in a wrong way.
I disagree with the OP, but this is not the reason I am replying to you.
You see, pop rock bands (like Foo Fighters) and "hollywoodian" movies are pieces of entertainment and not pieces of Art. Too many people involved in the production, adequacy and the necessity of financial success are details that make produced bands like Foo Fighters, videogames and pop movies to be much more of a entertainment product than really Art and there is nothing wrong with that! Sometimes entertainment can be generated by art sensibility even when it is not a pure piece of Art.
We can call the music work of Khachaturian, Prokofiev and even Arrigo Barnabé "art", especially because their work is not related to entertainment market and industry. We can't say the same about Foo Fighters, but that doesn't been you are a lesser person if you enjoy this band. We are talking about different concepts.
Everyone in this boards play videogames, so without hypocrisy, everyone enjoy some kind of entertainment.
When someone uses videogames to show his level of intelligence and culture be sure this person don't know what he is saying.
Pretension is another thing, the OP is pretentious, but we can't call movies like Dogville a truly pretentious work, in the end it still is mainstream cinema, but with interesting ideas. Lars von Trier may be a pretentious director overall, but what is pretentious about Dogville? It is just a non usual concept for mainstream cinema, nothing more. It is not Art cinema like Holy Mountain or Vozvrashchenie (fantastic movies and far away from the mainstream support).
The Art you described it not pretentious too, it is a concept you just need to go after the ideas related to the painting before judge it, it is not ornamental painting. Remember, there is a difference between ornament and Art.
I am not saying there is no pretentious in art and entertainment but when something has its codes or different concepts than usual it doesn't mean it is pretentious.
In the past MMORPG games were less accessible most because of limited resources and technology, but MMORPGs (and most videogames) never were something from the "underground" or a piece of Art. Videogames are related to pop culture.
Another examples of pop culture, Star Wars, Star Trek and many "geek" things.
This is why there is no MMORPG about Holy Mountain, but there are two about Star Wars, because social videogame productions are something from pop culture to pop culture.
It makes it just a bit more entertaining for some. That's why this kind of stuff has been in MMOs since the turn of the century.
Things like Jenniy's Twotone Cuirass (love the attrib bonus), the Clean, Dry Towel (trade it in for a copy of 'The Portal Jumper's Guide to Dereth'), and the long standing tradition of holiday events make the game more entertaining for some. After all, most gamers are playing games to amuse themselves and to be entertained, something that I think many here have forgotten.
That's immaterial, of course, because that is NOT what the OP is referring to despite him jumping on the opportunity to say so after the fact. Read his post again. He took the pretentious 'real MMO gamer' stance and injected a bit of hipster flavor to it for added spice.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I can understand how those who live by the "pop" culture code could call me pretentious...you don't see what I see.
I would dare you to turn your t.v.'s, facebook pages, cellphones and other mass media tools off for 1 month and observe the world around you, but I understand that that would be like taking a dying man off life support.
Originally posted by Randayn
They love what "we" (the real MMORPG crowd do
There's that 'real' mmo-er again. I think we're done here.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point...
Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble.
*Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.
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That's a good idea, it would give people a chance to finally finsh reading the Harry Potter books.
I don't see a clear pop culture connection. If anything, the trend is (was) commercialization of a niche element in computer gaming for mainstream consumption.
Frankly, I think that trend is just about over. I consider the genre as having peaked in commercialization with the possible exception of MMORPGs for phones / tablets (could very easily happen in the next 2 years).
What's left is a market saturated with games struggling for large scale profitability (more than just paying the bills and keeping the servers on).
It has been since 2004 at least - Harris pilton etc..
MMo's have pop culture references in them yet they themselves are not Pop Culture.
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Is that way so many people were able to reply with a clear understanding?
Thanks for letting me know my understanding is incorrect without a valid explanation....
Injection of "pop culture"....thanks, you explained it better than i did...although you disagree with me??
HAHAHAHAHA!
Currently, Im reading "The Law", just finished a few other books too....but I won't name them because then Ill be accused of spreading my ideals....
You can cherry pick the replys to you all you want, birds of a feather tend to flock together.
Of course there are "others" who lack an understanding of pop culture on these forums. That's part of the appeal of these forums, people can get artificial ego boosts by having others agree with their skewed point of view.
As you cherry pick my reply to suit your agenda I'll repeat myself; MMO's have pop culture references in them, yet they themselves are not considered pop culture when regarding society as a whole.
PopArt Richard Hamilton