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  • stevebmbsqdstevebmbsqd Member Posts: 448
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by charlizd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    I hear Crickets EVERY WHERE. ROFL

    yea just find it odd people didn't consider the fact they are tradable which was stated before the patch even went live... any skin you want is up on the trading post.. so this whole argument was just well... anyways..

    I know exactly how you feel....../facepalm to all the silly people out there.

    Hey, Cool, only 25G for the shield? Nice, that's only about $50 bucks! What a steal!

    ...smh

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Member UncommonPosts: 2,155
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
     

     Acceptable complaint:

    I just got beat by a guy who bought an uber sword for $10.  The only way I could ever have a hope against him is to buy that same sword for $10, so I am forced to buy the sword to compete.

    Unacceptable complaint:

    I just got beat by a dude that has these awesome looking pants that he paid $10 for.  While the pants didn't give him any advantage in the fight, they looked really cool and I want them, but I shouldn't have to pay $10 for them.

    Thank you for the example.

     

    Would you find following complaint to be unacceptable too?:

     I just saw this awesome outfit that would look so nice on my character. However, to get it I would have to pay $10. *sad face*

     

     I think it's context...I mean, if someone said that, I wouldn't jump on them or anything.  And in a P2P game, I would think that's a completely valid complaint...you pay a subscription, you shouldn't get milked for more money.

    But at the same time, if an MMORPG has no subscription fee, you kind of have to accept that the game company needs to make money somehow.  Selling cosmetic stuff is not a terrible way to do this.  And in the case of GW2, you are getting a lot of new content just for FREE, and you are under no pressure at all to spend money on the CS, it's all 100% optional...AND you can get that stuff with gold from just playing the game.

    So in general, it could be a valid complaint.  In GW2, I don't think it is.

    Yes, I agree with that they have to make "extra" money somehow to be on par with the income of subscription games. and assuming that most people don't mind the system, the company has a valid reason to implement it.  However, there is a danger in that approach because even if you create multiple systems that individually are rather well received, they can together create situations in which most players has at least 1 thing they dislike about the overall monetization techniques.

    This is why small changes that are easy to make and that helps with the removal of dissatisfaction should be endorsed. I don't think any player would become unhappy if Arenanet was clearly display  the % chance to get the skins in their ingame information about the boxes. I believe a lot of the dissatisfaction with the lottery system would have been removed that way.  It is a simple solution, but very helpful one. A question I find important is: since it is so simple: why didn't they introduce it from the start? Several answers to that question are very cynical and do not portray Arenanet in the best light and there is where a problem can be found.

    As for 100% optional: if equips more powerful than exotics would be sold through the item mall, it would still be 100% optional in the sense that you can still play the game without being as strong as other players. You'll lose more 1 vs 1 battles, sure, but you can still be useful in World vs World. You can pay for those new equips either through grind or real money if you want to be "on par" statwise with the most poweful players, but it is not necessary for  World vs World: it is completely optional in that sense.

    I suppose a way to approach this issue would be to do an investigation about what requirements people feel are important and whether or not the current mechanics are optional in regard to the most popular requirements. 

     

  • aesperusaesperus Member UncommonPosts: 5,135
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

    I suppose a way to approach this issue would be to do an investigation about what requirements people feel are important and whether or not the current mechanics are optional in regard to the most popular requirements. 

    Honestly, all I think it would really take is for them to affect the drop rates so that players are often getting 'something' halloween related.

    I don't think they should have to post the drop rates, though that wouldn't be bad I suppose. However, this isn't the first game with RNG in a cashshop. This isn't to say that i don't think some of the drop rates are too low, but I think a lot of the whining is a bit extreme.

    Some people just need to be a bit more responsible, imho.

    - For me I waited to see what was going to happen w/ the holiday event, and it paid off. I'm most likely going to buy a couple of the skins, but the prices are still in flux atm.

  • AerowynAerowyn Member Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by charlizd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    I hear Crickets EVERY WHERE. ROFL

    yea just find it odd people didn't consider the fact they are tradable which was stated before the patch even went live... any skin you want is up on the trading post.. so this whole argument was just well... anyways..

    I know exactly how you feel....../facepalm to all the silly people out there.

    Hey, Cool, only 25G for the shield? Nice, that's only about $50 bucks! What a steal!

    ...smh

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

    not true at all considering many many people have had keys saved up.. everyone I know has keys saved up.. it's been obvious from playing during the event key drops have been increased(or at least it feels that way).. if people were not so impatient the skins would of gotten to the TP either way.. then if ALL these skins were gotten from people spending money why are so many complaining on not getting anything from buying all those keys?

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
     

     Acceptable complaint:

    I just got beat by a guy who bought an uber sword for $10.  The only way I could ever have a hope against him is to buy that same sword for $10, so I am forced to buy the sword to compete.

    Unacceptable complaint:

    I just got beat by a dude that has these awesome looking pants that he paid $10 for.  While the pants didn't give him any advantage in the fight, they looked really cool and I want them, but I shouldn't have to pay $10 for them.

    Thank you for the example.

     

    Would you find following complaint to be unacceptable too?:

     I just saw this awesome outfit that would look so nice on my character. However, to get it I would have to pay $10. *sad face*

     

     I think it's context...I mean, if someone said that, I wouldn't jump on them or anything.  And in a P2P game, I would think that's a completely valid complaint...you pay a subscription, you shouldn't get milked for more money.

    But at the same time, if an MMORPG has no subscription fee, you kind of have to accept that the game company needs to make money somehow.  Selling cosmetic stuff is not a terrible way to do this.  And in the case of GW2, you are getting a lot of new content just for FREE, and you are under no pressure at all to spend money on the CS, it's all 100% optional...AND you can get that stuff with gold from just playing the game.

    So in general, it could be a valid complaint.  In GW2, I don't think it is.

    Yes, I agree with that they have to make "extra" money somehow to be on par with the income of subscription games. and assuming that most people don't mind the system, the company has a valid reason to implement it.  However, there is a danger in that approach because even if you create multiple systems that individually are rather well received, they can together create situations in which most players has at least 1 thing they dislike about the overall monetization techniques.

    This is why small changes that are easy to make and that helps with the removal of dissatisfaction should be endorsed. I don't think any player would become unhappy if Arenanet was clearly display  the % chance to get the skins in their ingame information about the boxes. I believe a lot of the dissatisfaction with the lottery system would have been removed that way.  It is a simple solution, but very helpful one. A question I find important is: since it is so simple: why didn't they introduce it from the start? Several answers to that question are very cynical and do not portray Arenanet in the best light and there is where a problem can be found.

    As for 100% optional: if equips more powerful than exotics would be sold through the item mall, it would still be 100% optional in the sense that you can still play the game without being as strong as other players. You'll lose more 1 vs 1 battles, sure, but you can still be useful in World vs World. You can pay for those new equips either through grind or real money if you want to be "on par" statwise with the most poweful players, but it is not necessary for  World vs World: it is completely optional in that sense.

    I suppose a way to approach this issue would be to do an investigation about what requirements people feel are important and whether or not the current mechanics are optional in regard to the most popular requirements. 

     

     Regarding the listing of percentile drop rates...I don't think it's absolutely necessary.  I wouldn't be against them listing the drop-rates in general terms in the actual store though.  Like, chainsaw sword rare, greatchainsaw sword very rare, etc...

    Also, sorry but I really can't see your point about POWER being optional.  At the end of the day, GW2 is a game, with a heavy competitive component, in both PvE and Pvp, and winning matters.  In fact, I would wager that a very, very large amount of players play the game to "win" in one fashion or another.  Winning matches in sPvP, winning fights in WvW, being the best player in your dungeon group.  All forms of "winning."

    And "winning," as described above is greatly influenced by your stats.  Selling stats means that people who pay will "win" most of the time, and people who do not, will not "win."  And since many people play games to win, they will essentially be forced to pay to win.  And that just sucks, like that's REALLY bad.  It also completely trivializes the competitive nature of the game...if you know that spending $30 will give you a huge advantage in fights...how can you be proud of winning?

    Buying clothes, does not help you win.  You make look cool while you win, and enjoy that, but it will not help you win at all.  If you are losing in your rags, you will be losing in your uber cool flaming armor of doom.  So in order to win or compete, you NEVER need to buy cosmetic stuff.

    Now...if this was FashionWars 2, and winning was defined by who was the most "fierce," then yeah, I would be against selling cosmetic crap on the cash shop ;).

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  • rygard49rygard49 Member UncommonPosts: 973
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

    not true at all considering many many people have had keys saved up.. everyone I know has keys saved up.. it's been obvious from playing during the event key drops have been increased(or at least it feels that way).. if people were not so impatient the skins would of gotten to the TP either way.. then if ALL these skins were gotten from people spending money why are so many complaining on not getting anything from buying all those keys?

    Anecdotal evidence is not representative of actual fact, and you'd have to be dense to think that people weren't using purchased gems to fabricate the items that are on the TP. You're one of the biggest voices against presenting opinion as fact, and that's what you've just done with the highlighted portion.

    Please don't represent anecdotes or opinions as factual.

    What the poster above you said is valid. It's safe to say that many keys (I won't even say a majority because I don't have that info, although based on the drop rate that is a possibility) had to have been purchased with gems, which in turn would have had to have come from the cash shop.

    The cash shop was built specifically to target the impatient, but the RNG thing seems a bit exploitive of that group.

  • AerowynAerowyn Member Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by rygard49
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

    not true at all considering many many people have had keys saved up.. everyone I know has keys saved up.. it's been obvious from playing during the event key drops have been increased(or at least it feels that way).. if people were not so impatient the skins would of gotten to the TP either way.. then if ALL these skins were gotten from people spending money why are so many complaining on not getting anything from buying all those keys?

    Anecdotal evidence is not representative of actual fact, and you'd have to be dense to think that people weren't using purchased gems to fabricate the items that are on the TP. You're one of the biggest voices against presenting opinion as fact, and that's what you've just done with the highlighted portion.

    Please don't represent anecdotes or opinions as factual.

    What the poster above you said is valid. It's safe to say that many keys (I won't even say a majority because I don't have that info, although based on the drop rate that is a possibility) had to have been purchased with gems, which in turn would have had to have come from the cash shop.

    The cash shop was built specifically to target the impatient, but the RNG thing seems a bit exploitive of that group.

    was just countering one obvious opinion with another although I know for a fact I have keys not purchased off the GS and my friends do as well.. obviously some of these skins were gotten from keys got from  the GS the whole point is no one is required to do so and yes it is a fact people have keys saved up.. if you did buy keys that's great and glad you are supporting ANET but for those who just want the skins save up and get them off the TP..  seeing skin quantity raise on many already and should be even more as the event progresses

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • stevebmbsqdstevebmbsqd Member Posts: 448
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by charlizd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    I hear Crickets EVERY WHERE. ROFL

    yea just find it odd people didn't consider the fact they are tradable which was stated before the patch even went live... any skin you want is up on the trading post.. so this whole argument was just well... anyways..

    I know exactly how you feel....../facepalm to all the silly people out there.

    Hey, Cool, only 25G for the shield? Nice, that's only about $50 bucks! What a steal!

    ...smh

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

    not true at all considering many many people have had keys saved up.. everyone I know has keys saved up.. it's been obvious from playing during the event key drops have been increased(or at least it feels that way).. if people were not so impatient the skins would of gotten to the TP either way.. then if ALL these skins were gotten from people spending money why are so many complaining on not getting anything from buying all those keys?

    The drop rates on the keys are horrible. You are the only person I know who thinks the rate has increased. With such a low drop rate of keys and such a small chance of actually getting a skin, I highly doubt these were all gotten from "saved up" keys. Do the math. You are smarter than that. 

  • AerowynAerowyn Member Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
     

    The drop rates on the keys are horrible. You are the only person I know who thinks the rate has increased. With such a low drop rate of keys and such a small chance of actually getting a skin, I highly doubt these were all gotten from "saved up" keys. Do the math. You are smarter than that. 

    never said all, all i was stating was people had keys not all the skins found that are up on the TP were bought.. but even say there were who cares? just means you now do not have to spend anything to get a skin or risk "gambling" on getting one since they are up on the TP... also on top of that with the recent change coming for yet another way to get skins even easier as mystic tonics are craftable and pretty sure everyone has some boosts saved  up...  anyway sorry all this mindless complaining over nothing hurts the brain

     

    also many people ingame have stated they think the drop rate has increased may or may not be true just what some people ingame are saying.. i also have gotten two key drops since the event started might just be coincidence though

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • JorlJorl Member UncommonPosts: 257
    I spent around £17 pounds few days ago for the Halloween event. I haven't been on Guild wars 2 much, popped in to have a look at the halloween event very well done I must say. :)
  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773
    Originally posted by rygard49
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

    not true at all considering many many people have had keys saved up.. everyone I know has keys saved up.. it's been obvious from playing during the event key drops have been increased(or at least it feels that way).. if people were not so impatient the skins would of gotten to the TP either way.. then if ALL these skins were gotten from people spending money why are so many complaining on not getting anything from buying all those keys?

    Anecdotal evidence is not representative of actual fact, and you'd have to be dense to think that people weren't using purchased gems to fabricate the items that are on the TP. You're one of the biggest voices against presenting opinion as fact, and that's what you've just done with the highlighted portion.

    Please don't represent anecdotes or opinions as factual.

    What the poster above you said is valid. It's safe to say that many keys (I won't even say a majority because I don't have that info, although based on the drop rate that is a possibility) had to have been purchased with gems, which in turn would have had to have come from the cash shop.

    The cash shop was built specifically to target the impatient, but the RNG thing seems a bit exploitive of that group.

    Just wanted to highlighted that part, you guys can figure out why.

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  • LoverNoFighterLoverNoFighter Member Posts: 294
    So....anyone got pics?
  • AerowynAerowyn Member Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
    So....anyone got pics?

    can see them here

    http://gw2.mmorpg-life.com/halloween-skins-compilation/53876/

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • OmnifishOmnifish Member Posts: 616

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTLIXmijY4&feature=relmfu

     

    This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  • KuinnKuinn Member UncommonPosts: 2,072
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by charlizd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    I hear Crickets EVERY WHERE. ROFL

    yea just find it odd people didn't consider the fact they are tradable which was stated before the patch even went live... any skin you want is up on the trading post.. so this whole argument was just well... anyways..

    I know exactly how you feel....../facepalm to all the silly people out there.

    Hey, Cool, only 25G for the shield? Nice, that's only about $50 bucks! What a steal!

    ...smh

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    What? ANET didn't just put them there, SOMEONE had to play the lottery. so a few lucky people are getting their gems back. Maybe.

    But someone still had to play this game. You say so what, I didn't. Yeah, good for you, but the way you speak it's like there was no RNG. There was. Now, if someone wants the item, someoen else may have to drop some plastic down on the table and cough up even more gems. 

    GG ANET, Double dipping. $50 bucks from player A for the keys, and $50 bucks from Player B who bough tthe gems!

     

    I bought my keys with ingame gold. Stop whining at a problem which does not exist. I dont even find the skins very interesting on top of that.

  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by rygard49
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    Are you for real? One of the reasons they are on the TP is that someone had keys.... which had to be gotten with gems most likely based on the drop rate? Don't you realize that?

    not true at all considering many many people have had keys saved up.. everyone I know has keys saved up.. it's been obvious from playing during the event key drops have been increased(or at least it feels that way).. if people were not so impatient the skins would of gotten to the TP either way.. then if ALL these skins were gotten from people spending money why are so many complaining on not getting anything from buying all those keys?

    Anecdotal evidence is not representative of actual fact, and you'd have to be dense to think that people weren't using purchased gems to fabricate the items that are on the TP. You're one of the biggest voices against presenting opinion as fact, and that's what you've just done with the highlighted portion.

    Please don't represent anecdotes or opinions as factual.

    What the poster above you said is valid. It's safe to say that many keys (I won't even say a majority because I don't have that info, although based on the drop rate that is a possibility) had to have been purchased with gems, which in turn would have had to have come from the cash shop.

    The cash shop was built specifically to target the impatient, but the RNG thing seems a bit exploitive of that group.

    What is ridiculous is the myopic focus on the chests and keys.  There is a shit-ton of other stuff to obtain, do, and achieve with the event.  That is just one small aspect that people like to focus on.  Now I'm off to get goodies.  I'll argue with you lot tomorrow at work, not during gaming time. :p

     But but but...the chests man...the CHESTS!

    They're like...gambling and stuff, and like...they tricked us!  And ummm...think about the children.  THE CHILDREN!!!

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  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359
    Originally posted by Kuinn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by charlizd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    I hear Crickets EVERY WHERE. ROFL

    yea just find it odd people didn't consider the fact they are tradable which was stated before the patch even went live... any skin you want is up on the trading post.. so this whole argument was just well... anyways..

    I know exactly how you feel....../facepalm to all the silly people out there.

    Hey, Cool, only 25G for the shield? Nice, that's only about $50 bucks! What a steal!

    ...smh

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    What? ANET didn't just put them there, SOMEONE had to play the lottery. so a few lucky people are getting their gems back. Maybe.

    But someone still had to play this game. You say so what, I didn't. Yeah, good for you, but the way you speak it's like there was no RNG. There was. Now, if someone wants the item, someoen else may have to drop some plastic down on the table and cough up even more gems. 

    GG ANET, Double dipping. $50 bucks from player A for the keys, and $50 bucks from Player B who bough tthe gems!

     

    I bought my keys with ingame gold. Stop whining at a problem which does not exist. I dont even find the skins very interesting on top of that.

     Yeah exactly...you know, instead of constantly griping about how these stupid skins are an RNG drop from a paid item (like that's new), maybe these people should start thinking about why they just have to have these freaking skins.

    I mean really...are these skins SUCH a big deal, that you just HAVE to waste ungodly amounts of money buying which are essentially baseball card packs, hoping that you get a rare card (skin).  Exercise some willpower here.  If you HAVE to have a stupid skin in a game, and you are willing to waste a large amount of money on it then something is wrong here, and I'm not talking about the game.

    Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  • VhalnVhaln Member Posts: 3,159
    Originally posted by Creslin321

     Yeah exactly...you know, instead of constantly griping about how these stupid skins are an RNG drop from a paid item (like that's new), maybe these people should start thinking about why they just have to have these freaking skins.

    I mean really...are these skins SUCH a big deal, that you just HAVE to waste ungodly amounts of money buying which are essentially baseball card packs, hoping that you get a rare card (skin).  Exercise some willpower here.  If you HAVE to have a stupid skin in a game, and you are willing to waste a large amount of money on it then something is wrong here, and I'm not talking about the game.

     

     

    I saw someone compare it to those rigged games at carnivals, where you spend money for a chance at a giant stuffed toy that's actually pretty crappy, or a bunch of other gimmicky stuff.  

     

    Some people find that pure simple fun, others just consider it a scam, most of us have long since gotten over caring one way or another, or expecting to be anything other than what it is.   There'a a sucker born every minute, and that's what a lot of it is all about.   I think there are a lot of accurate paralells with that comparison, and for me, the issue is just..

     

    I'd expected better than that.

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • AerowynAerowyn Member Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by Vhaln
     

     

    I saw someone compare it to those rigged games at carnivals, where you spend money for a chance at a giant stuffed toy that's actually pretty crappy, or a bunch of other gimmicky stuff.  

     

    Some people find that pure simple fun, others just consider it a scam, most of us have long since gotten over caring one way or another, or expecting to be anything other than what it is.   There'a a sucker born every minute, and that's what a lot of it is all about.   I think there are a lot of accurate paralells with that comparison, and for me, the issue is just..

     

    I'd expected better than that.

    what if in the carnival you could ride the rides for free as many times as you wanted and each time you rid those rides you earned a token and what if you could take these tokens and turn them in to allow you to get another shot at those prizes from the games? would you call that a scam? (obviously assuming the prizes were not rigged and unwinnable)

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • VhalnVhaln Member Posts: 3,159
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Vhaln

    I saw someone compare it to those rigged games at carnivals, where you spend money for a chance at a giant stuffed toy that's actually pretty crappy, or a bunch of other gimmicky stuff.  

    Some people find that pure simple fun, others just consider it a scam, most of us have long since gotten over caring one way or another, or expecting to be anything other than what it is.   There'a a sucker born every minute, and that's what a lot of it is all about.   I think there are a lot of accurate paralells with that comparison, and for me, the issue is just..

    I'd expected better than that.

    what if in the carnival you could ride the rides for free as many times as you wanted and each time you rid those rides you earned a token and what if you could take these tokens and turn them in to allow you to get another shot at those prizes from the games? would you call that a scam? (obviously assuming the prizes were not rigged and unwinnable)

     

    Depends.. if you can just have fun going on the rides a few times, to get enough tokens for something, that sounds like fun.  If you have to do them over and over - how many times?  Anyone want to even attempt the math?  The fun is going to start wearing pretty thin.

     

    Have you really been getting lots of keys?  Or enough gold to blow on these halloween items at the trade post?  and if you do have that much gold, is that really what you want to spend it on?

     

    Oh, but to answer the question, yes that sounds kinda scammy, like a common way to encourage people to just outright spend some cash, because the time investment is so over the top, and the odds are so bad.  It preys on the psychology of drawing people in, by giving the impression that spending real money isn't necessary, when it turns out that aside from a few lucky exceptions, it kinda is.

     

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • stevebmbsqdstevebmbsqd Member Posts: 448
    Originally posted by Creslin321
    Originally posted by Kuinn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by charlizd
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by sammyeli
    I hear Crickets EVERY WHERE. ROFL

    yea just find it odd people didn't consider the fact they are tradable which was stated before the patch even went live... any skin you want is up on the trading post.. so this whole argument was just well... anyways..

    I know exactly how you feel....../facepalm to all the silly people out there.

    Hey, Cool, only 25G for the shield? Nice, that's only about $50 bucks! What a steal!

    ...smh

    lol for real.. so sad since really the big complaint was these items were a "gamble" to find.. now obviously that is not true and you can get ANY specific one you want with ingame gold at the trading post. some are expensive yes just like any rare item on any auction house in any MMO.. imagine that

    What? ANET didn't just put them there, SOMEONE had to play the lottery. so a few lucky people are getting their gems back. Maybe.

    But someone still had to play this game. You say so what, I didn't. Yeah, good for you, but the way you speak it's like there was no RNG. There was. Now, if someone wants the item, someoen else may have to drop some plastic down on the table and cough up even more gems. 

    GG ANET, Double dipping. $50 bucks from player A for the keys, and $50 bucks from Player B who bough tthe gems!

     

    I bought my keys with ingame gold. Stop whining at a problem which does not exist. I dont even find the skins very interesting on top of that.

     Yeah exactly...you know, instead of constantly griping about how these stupid skins are an RNG drop from a paid item (like that's new), maybe these people should start thinking about why they just have to have these freaking skins.

    I mean really...are these skins SUCH a big deal, that you just HAVE to waste ungodly amounts of money buying which are essentially baseball card packs, hoping that you get a rare card (skin).  Exercise some willpower here.  If you HAVE to have a stupid skin in a game, and you are willing to waste a large amount of money on it then something is wrong here, and I'm not talking about the game.

    Some people play these games to be collectors. They feel like they have to have these things. Others play simply to dress a doll. If it is their idea of fun, who are you or I to tell them different?

    Edit: On a side note, I do see it as a little scammy, though it is to be expected. Did people honestly think everything was going to just be free? They do need to make money. It may not cost a lot of money to run servers, but it does to maintain a full development staff and continually produce content. I think too many people had this utopian idea of free and entitlement as projected by many people here and their posts against any form of a sub.... Well this is the alternative and I guess a lot of them don't like it.

  • AerowynAerowyn Member Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by Vhaln

    what if in the carnival you could ride the rides for free as many times as you wanted and each time you rid those rides you earned a token and what if you could take these tokens and turn them in to allow you to get another shot at those prizes from the games? would you call that a scam? (obviously assuming the prizes were not rigged and unwinnable)

     

    Depends.. if you can just have fun going on the rides a few times, to get enough tokens for something, that sounds like fun.  If you have to do them over and over - how many times?  Anyone want to even attempt the math?  The fun is going to start wearing pretty thin.

     

    Have you really been getting lots of keys?  Or enough gold to blow on these halloween items at the trade post?  and if you do have that much gold, is that really what you want to spend it on?

     

    Oh, but to answer the question, yes that sounds kinda scammy, like a common way to encourage people to just outright spend some cash, because the time investment is so over the top, and the odds are so bad.  It preys on the psychology of drawing people in, by giving the impression that spending real money isn't necessary, when it turns out that aside from a few lucky exceptions, it kinda is.

     

    you are not required to spend any money at all thats the whole point the time investment isn't over the top at all imho for a supposive "rare" skin all the shoulder peices are 2g or less and the weapon skins are dropping in price on the TP as the days pass.. people spending money do help out in getting a bigger pool of the items out there.. honestly the ONLY way i could see this being a problem was if the ksins were bind on pickup but as tradable items and have multiple ways to aquire them now I really can't fathom people still having an issue with how these skins can be aquired

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • VhalnVhaln Member Posts: 3,159

    You keep saying they're supposed to be rare, but that's where we just simply disagree.  I don't think most holiday event items should be rare, at all.

     

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • pierthpierth Member UncommonPosts: 1,494

    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Some people play these games to be collectors. They feel like they have to have these things. Others play simply to dress a doll. If it is their idea of fun, who are you or I to tell them different?

    No one is telling them to stop liking the parts of the game they enjoy.


    What I see in this thread is that there is no guarantee of those players receiving what they seek from spending real money on keys so they have no one to blame but themselves if they chose to do that and didn't get the skins.


    Feeling like you have to have something is no proof of being entitled to it. It's nothing more than a check of self-control and some just don't have it.

  • stevebmbsqdstevebmbsqd Member Posts: 448
    Originally posted by pierth

     

    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Some people play these games to be collectors. They feel like they have to have these things. Others play simply to dress a doll. If it is their idea of fun, who are you or I to tell them different?

     

    No one is telling them to stop liking the parts of the game they enjoy.


    What I see in this thread is that there is no guarantee of those players receiving what they seek from spending real money on keys so they have no one to blame but themselves if they chose to do that and didn't get the skins.


    Feeling like you have to have something is no proof of being entitled to it. It's nothing more than a check of self-control and some just don't have it.

    You took this completely out of the context in which it was posted as it was a reply to something else. If you wish to comment, then comment on the post in the context of which it was posted. Don't seperate the post and make it out as something else.

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