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  • thecapitainethecapitaine Member UncommonPosts: 408

    You can't even fit all your abilities on two skillbars at 50 in SWTOR.  Maybe not being able to easily use all the skills that you're given is a QOL issue but this is by far the most nonsensical restriction I've ever heard of in a F2P model.  If the game already underperformed, wouldn't it be better to make it more palatable to players new and old?  Is there really someone in accounting convinced that giving people an unlimited # of hotbars is going to cut too deeply into their profits?  I supported the game for several months with my sub and I've no problem with companies making money.  Ultimately, however, the people designing these F2P models have to understand their playerbase better. 

     

    There's a reason why most of SOE's models get panned while LOTRO and DDO's were once seen as some of the best.  If you give the impression that you're for wringing every last dime out of your prospective customers they'll steer clear.  It's not as if there aren't other MMOs to play.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
    You have to pay for more skillbars lol this is the only f2p game that nickel and dime you on everything even skillbars

    Yes that  sounds utterly ridiculous,but in reality,do you need more than one skillbar?I never went much past level 22 on any player,but i found the combat to be so weak that just a few options is all i was using.In otherwords i didn't even need one full hotbar let alone more than one.

    Seriously i don't think ANYONE shoudl be complaining about ANY cash shop model because you SHOULD be playing the game because you like it ,NOT because you hope for some free gaming.This si why cash shops are ridiculous,if i want to play your game,i would pay for it,if not NOTHING else you do will get me to play it.

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  • ImperialSunImperialSun Member Posts: 212
    Originally posted by Manestream

    Well, sadly i still play this game (though not as often thesedays) but i did seem to think they had taken the goign F2P model to pull in players. Sadly all they have done is alienate the current subscribers and scare many F2P players away.

    I myself also think that if this carries on the game would have no more than a 6mth lifespan, especially when they keep releasing botched patch's (some issue's with 1.3, alot of issue's with 1.4 thus far) which is 1 reason why i dont play the game as much anymore. Just letting my current subscription run down (whether i play the game or not) but would i pay to play this anymore, probably not. Think i will return back to warcraft (once i have had a bit longer of a timeout from it) almost 5mths and so far dont feel the need to go back to that one yet, unfortunatly nothing else out there. Sad fact is a common web browser game is giving more enjoyment that SW-ToR is :(

    How have they alienated the current subscribers?

     

    Firstly, most of the feedback I have read (especially since BW changed the number of free skill bars at community request) has been very positive, considering arguably nobody wanted this model forced on us back when we purchased the game.

    Secondly, nothing will change for paying subs so I'm not sure they have been alienated?

    Care to share?

    Driz

  • arctarusarctarus Member UncommonPosts: 2,581
    Originally posted by ImperialSun
    Originally posted by biggarfoot
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder
    I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.

    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 

    I love Fanbois, they are blind with stupidity.

    Being blind by your own ignorance is a two way street isnt it?

    Almost all examples of a game making a transition to a Freemium / F2PHybrid model have resulted in success stories for the games concerned. LOTRO being possibly the best example.

     

     

    Guess you hvnt heard:

    http://www.boston.com/business/innovation/2012/10/25/needham-game-maker-turbine-lays-off-workers/XiH2pLrqfN1GDZlNlcbT9H/story.html

     

    Turbine lay off more people....

     

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Member UncommonPosts: 3,022
    Originally posted by sirphobos
    Originally posted by LifeEnder
    I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.

    Yeah I'm sure it is close to shutting down, nevermind the fact that basically every subscriber based game that isn't World of Warcraft would love to have as many subscribers as this game has even after so many people have left.

    Rofl, have you looked at torstatus.net,  they contiue to show sub bleed off every day, not to mention having to had 2 rounds of sever mergers and this game has not even been out for a year.  Now it has to go free to play to survive.  Yep.

     

  • ImperialSunImperialSun Member Posts: 212
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto
    Originally posted by Ahnog
    What do you guys think? Should a company make money or not?

    Seems like in the eyes of most teenagers today, everything should be free to them or part of some social welfare program.

    lol...self entitlement, welfare mindset, reward me for participating instead of achieving...

    Sad but true :(

    Driz

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by Wizardry
    Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
    You have to pay for more skillbars lol this is the only f2p game that nickel and dime you on everything even skillbars

    Yes that  sounds utterly ridiculous,but in reality,do you need more than one skillbar?I never went much past level 22 on any player,but i found the combat to be so weak that just a few options is all i was using.In otherwords i didn't even need one full hotbar let alone more than one.

    Seriously i don't think ANYONE shoudl be complaining about ANY cash shop model because you SHOULD be playing the game because you like it ,NOT because you hope for some free gaming.This si why cash shops are ridiculous,if i want to play your game,i would pay for it,if not NOTHING else you do will get me to play it.

    There are other F2P games that do not have these restrictions, and SWTORs design should not too, as it more a single player game with multiplayer option than a MMO. It is like paying a monthly fee to Red Dead Redemption or Mass Effect 3

    The devs are not even enhancing / expanding the game, they just add more stuff of what is already in game, more flashpoints, more operations, more warzones, which is like DLC for games like Red Dead Redemption, which you get to choose to buy. They are no expanding it by adding in a Beast Master profession, instanced housing, multiplayer space etc

    SWTOR is simply not worth the constant $$$ to play it.

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  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156

    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
    LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.


    Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.

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  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Member UncommonPosts: 1,686
    Originally posted by TeknoBug

     

    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
    LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.

     


    Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.

    Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.


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  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156

    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by TeknoBug  
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
    LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.   Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.
    Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.
    Oh yes I do (or did when I played), 4 rows were all full of abilities and I keybinded everyone of them.

    Here's an example of one that I could find, a few missing slots (consumables):
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  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Member UncommonPosts: 1,686
    Originally posted by TeknoBug

     

    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by TeknoBug  
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
    LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.   Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.
    Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.
    Oh yes I do (or did when I played), 4 rows were all full of abilities and I keybinded everyone of them.

     

    That's optimum available for subscribers. But what I said is that it is completely possible to play just with 2 bars. You just have to pick wisely what you want to use. So if F2P player does not want to spend cash for additional bars they really don't have to.


    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    haha so now the UI is monetized? Cant believe there are still people who think F2P is a good thing for the genre.

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  • BrotherDBrotherD Member Posts: 52
    Yup. The dumbest f2p model ever. No reason to return.

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  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by TeknoBug

     

    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by TeknoBug  
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
    LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.   Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.
    Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.
    Oh yes I do (or did when I played), 4 rows were all full of abilities and I keybinded everyone of them.

     

    That's optimum available for subscribers. But what I said is that it is completely possible to play just with 2 bars. You just have to pick wisely what you want to use. So if F2P player does not want to spend cash for additional bars they really don't have to.

    You dont have to play the game, or any game, for that matter. That is not an argument for how incredibly greedy and stupid this is.

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    Originally posted by Four0Six
    Originally posted by ImperialSun
    Originally posted by biggarfoot
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by LifeEnder
    I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.

    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 

    I love Fanbois, they are blind with stupidity.

    Being blind by your own ignorance is a two way street isnt it?

    Almost all examples of a game making a transition to a Freemium / F2PHybrid model have resulted in success stories for the games concerned. LOTRO being possibly the best example.

    Of course you will dismiss this as a possibility on this occasion simply because the game concerned is SWTOR...

    Love how you ignore the sheer weight of fact and evidence because it does not support youe hater point of view :)

    Sounds a bit like you are blind with stupidity, no?

    Driz

     First the comment is "any other freemium", then it gets changed to "almost"............

    Three Words: CITY OF HEROS

    One question: DO you think there will be a big player protest when it does get shut down? As in Atlas Park, Paragon CIty.

    Uhh, that had nothing to do with the going freemium aspect of it.  The game was still making a profit, and had had an increase in players.  The close down came because bean counters needed to balance the books at a particular point.  The big money drain was Aion (in the West)  Also NCSoft is unusual in it's willingness to kill games that aren't huge money makers.

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  • saurus123saurus123 Member UncommonPosts: 678
    Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
    BIoware going insane with f2p model for sure

    bioware have nothing to say here

    its EA politics

  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156

    Originally posted by Arglebargle
    Originally posted by Four0Six Originally posted by ImperialSun Originally posted by biggarfoot Originally posted by hikaru77 Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
    Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
    I love Fanbois, they are blind with stupidity.
    Being blind by your own ignorance is a two way street isnt it? Almost all examples of a game making a transition to a Freemium / F2PHybrid model have resulted in success stories for the games concerned. LOTRO being possibly the best example. Of course you will dismiss this as a possibility on this occasion simply because the game concerned is SWTOR... Love how you ignore the sheer weight of fact and evidence because it does not support youe hater point of view :) Sounds a bit like you are blind with stupidity, no? Driz
     First the comment is "any other freemium", then it gets changed to "almost"............ Three Words: CITY OF HEROS One question: DO you think there will be a big player protest when it does get shut down? As in Atlas Park, Paragon CIty.
    Uhh, that had nothing to do with the going freemium aspect of it.  The game was still making a profit, and had had an increase in players.  The close down came because bean counters needed to balance the books at a particular point.  The big money drain was Aion (in the West)  Also NCSoft is unusual in it's willingness to kill games that aren't huge money makers.

    I have played COH on a regular basis and kept playing it when it went F2P, I saw no noticeable increase in activity- infact my outfit (Repeat Offenders) lost quite a few active players and my supergroup/villain died out. When the shut down announcement came along, the servers basically emptied out- in the search window I can only find 40-60 people on hero side and less than 40 on villain side at peak hours (on Freedom & Virtue).

    You got it backwards, COH was draining money and Aion has way more players than COH does. The cash shop doesn't have much value in COH, it's mostly fluff besides allowing you to access IO's each month until you obtain 28 token points for a permanent unlock.


    I'm not with NCSoft for shutting down COH, I like the game and I have hopes for COH 2 but I don't see that ever happening. NCSoft wants us to play GW2, that's where the money is coming in.

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  • RaysheRayshe Member UncommonPosts: 1,279
    This is why im happy Funcom didnt completely sell itself to EA to make TSW, We dont feel their claws in the game. If im not mistaken EA only financed it a little and printed the disks.

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  • sapphensapphen Member UncommonPosts: 911
    Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
    You have to pay for more skillbars lol this is the only f2p game that nickel and dime you on everything even skillbars

    Yeah it seems like EA doesn't really understand how to set up a cash shop.  It's more like pain to play rather free to play.

    That aside SWTOR is not a bad game.  I don't understand the haters who run around like it is some ex-girlfriend who broke their heart.  SWTOR didn't fullfill all my wants and expectations but I don't hate them for it.  I just wait and hope they fix it one day but  they didn't cheat me.  I got my money's worth and was satisfied to have played this version of KOTOR.

  • BlackbrrdBlackbrrd Member Posts: 811
    Originally posted by Rayshe
    This is why im happy Funcom didnt completely sell itself to EA to make TSW, We dont feel their claws in the game. If im not mistaken EA only financed it a little and printed the disks.

    EA printed the discs for TSW in the US, they didn't have anything to do with the funding.

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by Ahnog
    What do you guys think? Should a company make money or not?

    Sure, they should. But quickbars... that does sound a bit bizarre of a choice.

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  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641
    Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
    You have to pay for more skillbars lol this is the only f2p game that nickel and dime you on everything even skillbars

     

    You convinced me to finally delete this game from my hard drive.  I already paid for the game once.  I don't intend to rebuy it to play it.  I would have been okay with some f2p cash shop stuff, but not this.  This shows the direction they intend to go and I'm not rebuying the game to help save their asses (along with everyone else they're hoping will do that).

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  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059
    Sure, they need to make money off of SWTOR but charging for elements of the UI piece by piece and all the silly things they are trying to charge you for is not the way to do it. Their F2P model is simply a way to attract a player to try the game out and then force them into a subscription. It's a paid demo. The base problem is they don't have  game content worth paying a subscription for.  So, their F2P model fails from the start...
  • trenshodtrenshod Member UncommonPosts: 128
    Skillbars bags character slots whats the difference they are all attempts at making you pay money to support the game. Hell I paid $60 for GW2 why don't I get all the character slots and bag spaces? At least ToR is going the F2P route with no up front costs.
  • nyxiumnyxium Member UncommonPosts: 1,345
    It's sad after all the hype at launch to see such SW pride reduced to something like this. I'm expecting Disney to throw some muscle around with a new SW MMO and SWTOR will be quietly retired when the financial results roll in after F2P has launched.
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