Originally posted by Xirik People still play this game?
uh...its still the second most succesfull mmo on the west so take that as you may
By what metric?
ANy other mmo has sold over 3 million copies in the last 5 years apart from WoW?
rift? swtor?? aoc??? most mmo's are f2p nowadays. the pvp in gw2 is definately not successful.
never said anything about pvp, just how sucesfull the game was, sicne the original quote said no one played the game.
Also no, none of them even sold over 2m copies so you are wrong.
"the two million mark, surpassing all previous MMOs for box sales at launch. Even before the official launch of the game, BioWare had to add new servers because of the number of people in early access. The day before the official launch, some queue times were over two hours, and at that time, there were 140 servers. Life was insane at BioWare to say the least."
swtor sold 2 million copies before launch.
Ah yes i forgot, it got to 2.1m i believe and then went downhill. Its still not near 3m+ of guild wars 2 which will continue to grow and swtor cant since the base game is free
You mean 3 million boxes sold. There aren't that many people actively playing....not even close. Growing would equate to replacing more than the people that quit.
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Yea man GW2 e-sports ! So many people excited! So many people interested!
Those 203 views on twitch man! Biggest E-Sports game 2013! Pff let's see League of Legends try and bit that with their 140k views on average or wow with their 1000 views on average!
Yea no, GW2 will never become a big esports for 5 simple reasons.
1) It's boring to watch, one thing that has been stated time and time again the clustersmash of particle effects makes the game uninteresting and impossible to follow.
2) Inaccessible
3) The game has a high skill cap but a low skill ceiling. Various top players have mentioned this, and many left because of this and many more will.
4)Lack of diversity in builds, playstyle and pvp types. All of the classes expect Ele, Eng and Ranger can play up to one role in competitive play, the terribly build trait system locks professions into set roles.
5)Spvp, is on deaths door with the majority of people PVEing and having no interest in spvp why because it's boring.
I think someone hasn't actually watched or played GW2 PvP.
Lies. The devs talk way to much crap. They promised an E-Sport at launch, then left it to the community to keep track of server match ups, rankings, and pretty much left it to players and their podcasts and websites to promote the battles. It was ok for the first 3 months of the game, but after no help from Anet to stir people up, only getting so much as a server ranking list out of them...it got old. Not only that but they ignored the competitive players for months that begged them to end free server transfers or at least close transfers to high population servers so that people couldn't just move to the winning server. It downplayed the victories of the top server and made things hopelessly unfair for weaker servers. Too little too late guys. They've done little to enhance the pvp experience, removing relics from WvW, making SM easier to take...barely adding any maps to SPVP...but with class imbalances it takes someone with the patience of a saint to play that (or a thief). GW2 will never be an E-Sport. Nobody cares, nobody on twitch is watching GW2. All the big alliances and top pvp guilds from other games left almost a year ago.
(Sorry MMORPG.com for getting suckered into sponsoring that event coming up. Hope it goes good for you.)
BTW, these are all facts, so argue if you want, it won't change anything. You're just doing free promotion for a crappy game.
Yea, no one is watching GW2 PvP that's why no one was watching the Master of the Mists tournament yesterday or the reason why when a top team is streaming, no one watches their streams.... Oh wait! People did watch the MotM tourney, all 4 thousand of them and people do watch top team streams especially team paradigm.
But obviously, your post is based on facts so arguing won't change anything.
I watched the Masters of the Mists EU tournament yesterday and it was pretty decent. I believe it had almost 4K concurrent viewers on Twitch at one point which isn't bad considering how new the spectator mode is to the game.
Last week's tournament had 1700 concurrent viewers so it's popularity is definitely moving in the right direction. This is with zero advertising or endorsement from ANet. I can only imagine that it will get a lot bigger once ANet jumps into the mix.
Originally posted by AeonZen Oh, so they did have viewers. Well that's good.
4000 of them apparently, says it all i guess.
Considering that SPVP spectator mode has only been out for about a month and non-ANet tournaments are already doubling their viewers from week to week, it's certainly a good start.
Keep in mind that it took LoL a couple of years to build it's e-sports following.
Blizzard just had their WoW Arena World Championships a couple of weeks ago. It had Arena teams from all over the world going head to head for an entire weekend. Not sure where you're getting your facts from.
E-sports leagues are interested in and following GW2, with even more interest than GW1. It will take a while but it has a good chance to succeed, starting off slow and carefully building a solid meta.
WoW has tried to be an e-sport for 5 years and failed utterly.
No one in the esports community takes WoW seriously, it is seen as a joke.
MLG, ESL, IGN, etc - all have been asked to host WoW events and all have refused because arena is unbalanced trash pvp for kids that no competitive PVP gamer cares about.
There are no professional WoW players, even Reckful has to beg on twitch for $1 donations.
GW2 is starting off on the right foot. It isn't there yet but it is much more balanced and competitive than WoW arena ever was.
Utter rubbish.
Seriously for someone who spent so much time lambasting EAware for, 'lying', to people it's hilarious you now try and champion GW2 based on your own opinions and devs telling you so. Next you'll be telling us the reason for this is that Anet are, 'good guys', that old catch all argument.
Fact of the matter is the Arena tournaments generates much more advertising and has much more substantial prizes then an equivalent GW2 tournament ever will. They aren't as prestigious as they once were, but I'd say that's more to do with the rise of MOBA games and their relatively low entry point to try.
I remember the professional leagues following WAR and their, 'interest', never materialised, so that what your basing this off? Some pro guys said they might play it some time? Considering how much time it takes to train at the MOBAs and SC2, (the other big competitive field), it isn't going to happen.
Why? I think the game just petters out after a while and most people just pvp because they feel there's little else to do. Having well balanced classes isn't really a plus when most people don't really care about the game world or aren't given enough investment to beat the, 'other side'.
There's something missing in GW2 that stops many people from investing in it longterm, that's how you build a successful E-sports base, not from devtalk and wishing things were different.
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You mean 3 million boxes sold. There aren't that many people actively playing....not even close. Growing would equate to replacing more than the people that quit.
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I think someone hasn't actually watched or played GW2 PvP.
This is not a game.
Well it's almost midway through 2013 and it is by far not the most popular game for e-sports.
http://www.twitch.tv/directory
Even Pokemon has more viewers...
Yea, no one is watching GW2 PvP that's why no one was watching the Master of the Mists tournament yesterday or the reason why when a top team is streaming, no one watches their streams.... Oh wait! People did watch the MotM tourney, all 4 thousand of them and people do watch top team streams especially team paradigm.
But obviously, your post is based on facts so arguing won't change anything.
This is not a game.
I watched the Masters of the Mists EU tournament yesterday and it was pretty decent. I believe it had almost 4K concurrent viewers on Twitch at one point which isn't bad considering how new the spectator mode is to the game.
Last week's tournament had 1700 concurrent viewers so it's popularity is definitely moving in the right direction. This is with zero advertising or endorsement from ANet. I can only imagine that it will get a lot bigger once ANet jumps into the mix.
4000 of them apparently, says it all i guess.
Considering that SPVP spectator mode has only been out for about a month and non-ANet tournaments are already doubling their viewers from week to week, it's certainly a good start.
Keep in mind that it took LoL a couple of years to build it's e-sports following.
Utter rubbish.
Seriously for someone who spent so much time lambasting EAware for, 'lying', to people it's hilarious you now try and champion GW2 based on your own opinions and devs telling you so. Next you'll be telling us the reason for this is that Anet are, 'good guys', that old catch all argument.
Fact of the matter is the Arena tournaments generates much more advertising and has much more substantial prizes then an equivalent GW2 tournament ever will. They aren't as prestigious as they once were, but I'd say that's more to do with the rise of MOBA games and their relatively low entry point to try.
I remember the professional leagues following WAR and their, 'interest', never materialised, so that what your basing this off? Some pro guys said they might play it some time? Considering how much time it takes to train at the MOBAs and SC2, (the other big competitive field), it isn't going to happen.
Why? I think the game just petters out after a while and most people just pvp because they feel there's little else to do. Having well balanced classes isn't really a plus when most people don't really care about the game world or aren't given enough investment to beat the, 'other side'.
There's something missing in GW2 that stops many people from investing in it longterm, that's how you build a successful E-sports base, not from devtalk and wishing things were different.
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