The subscription price has never been a factor for me. Either I like a game or not.
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I would rather a subscription mmorpg. I despise the so called free to play models with cash shops.
I would actually enjoy seeing a shift in the market toward free to buy, free trial (level 20) but a sub cost afterward. Thats a ballsy move, and it shows a ton of confidence in your product. That said, I do think that F2P has a place. I think that a solid F2P game would do amazingly well on the console market. The entire premise behind that market is ease of play, and being able to jump in and play without any overhead would be great. Happy Wars is a small example of that, and its working quite well. I enjoy the game, and have played it exclusively lately. For their trouble, they earned 10 bucks from me in their cash shop. The fact that you use MSP makes it so much better because its an easier way for most people to get money into their hands.
It takes a ton of smart balance to make a cash shop work. But for PC gaming, a sub is really the way to go. But a sub game with no box cost and a free, lengthy, trial would go miles toward getting more players back into that market. Hell, its working for Wizard 101. That is, more or less, what that game is.
I get the feeling a lot of the people on here are of an older kind. Right now sub fees just aren't an issue based on the fact that i'm now in employment.But I remember when I was a kid, and why Runescape was the absoloute shit back then. The sub for membership was something like £3.50, and one of the few things I could afford being a kid. The low sub price is one of the major things I attribute to that games success. So while sub price seems to not be an issue for mmorpg.com's user base, I expect certain other communities would have a much different opinion on its importance.
No the price of the sub would't change a thing, i would have stayed with "x" MMORPG if the gameplay BEFORE level cap would have lasted longer, there is nothing worse than hitting level cap in a mounth of casual play, and the game is 90% dead then (getting fed end game content every 6 mounths don't count and pvp is shit in most games so leave that out to)..
Depends on the percieved value of what I'm subscribing to. I wouldn't pay 15 a month for a buggy semi supported older MMO but I would pay 15 a month for, lets say Rift? if i ever decided I wanted to return
There's no simple yes or no answer for me. It all depends on the amount of fun and the game itself
It's not that 15 bucks is a lot of money, it's what I get for them i calculate with
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Originally posted by Castillle Dude its $15 a month. Thats pretty friggin cheap. The only time I had trouble with paying that was when I was in the middle east and some *cough CoXEvE cough* wouldnt accept my credit card sometimes.
So if you want to play EQ2, WoW, Rift, SWTOR, EVE, Vanguard, LoTRO all at the same time throught the month.. it's only $105 a month right..... Still chump change for everyone? hmmmmmmm
What? all at same time? is that even a serious question?
I played TSW for 3months and tired of it. Now that it has dropped its sub, and has gone B2P, I have gone back to the game. And, I will not object to dropping $5 here or $10 there for new content.
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Its not so much the amount of the sub fee as the sub fee itself....WIth f2p games I come and go as I please...If I get bored I simply move to another game...A few months later I often come back to that game that I left when I feel like playing again....The f2p option gives me the choice of when i want to play and when I want to pay....Not "your 30 days are up" and you have to pay to continue....Also there just aren't any games out anymore that are worth a monthly imo.
Honestly, sub price has never even been a consideration for me. It's $15. You can barely buy one decent plate of food for $15. If you're so broke that you have to even consider $15, you shouldn't be spending it on MMO's. If I play the game for a few weeks an hour, my $15 was well spent.
Originally posted by Castillle Dude its $15 a month. Thats pretty friggin cheap. The only time I had trouble with paying that was when I was in the middle east and some *cough CoXEvE cough* wouldnt accept my credit card sometimes.
So if you want to play EQ2, WoW, Rift, SWTOR, EVE, Vanguard, LoTRO all at the same time throught the month.. it's only $105 a month right..... Still chump change for everyone? hmmmmmmm
What? all at same time? is that even a serious question?
I was thinking the same thing. If you're playing that many MMOs you're not really "playing" them, they're just on your hard drive.
Anyways, fifty cents a day is squat. Hell, that used to only get you a couple rounds in the old arcades; talk about cheap entertainment. Price has never kept me from not subbing to an MMO. Only crap games and the neverending sea of titles that follow the familiar formula like lemmings have kept me away.
The price for an MMO subscription should have gone up after all these years. Realistically though, that would be hard to justify considering the stagnated state of the genre.
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However, if you wanted to play MANY games, that nothing $15 x amount of games you really wanted to play is not cheap.
This is to MOST people on the world.
To actually answer the OP's question, yes, if the monthly fee was cheaper, I would more than likely try out more than a couple games. It's not really my thing to pay $115 a month to play a few monthly fee type games.
This WOULD help the game out instead of making them go F2P to try and save themselves.
Originally posted by Tindale111 The reason i ask this is because i pick and choose which games to play but would like to have tried more i believe that mmo players prob pay subscription for a couple of mmos adding up to around £20 a month games such as wow and rift so when we had subscriptions on swotor and tsw (yes i know you still can) it all adds up .I just think that these games that jump to ptp so quickly could have thought about cutting their subs would swotor have doubled its numbers if it was say £5 a month i certainly would have stuck with it .i really dont like cash shops unless they truely only have fluff items in and the complaints i have heard about swotor where you buy extra bars and ptp pvp will def stop me going back ,anyway the long and the short of it is if subs were less the more games i would try these are just my views interested to hear yours
Money is not a factor.
If I wasn't having fun in a game, playing less money won't make it fun.
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playing an MMORPG?"
However, if you wanted to play MANY games, that nothing $15 x amount of games you really wanted to play is not cheap.
This is to MOST people on the world.
To actually answer the OP's question, yes, if the monthly fee was cheaper, I would more than likely try out more than a couple games. It's not really my thing to pay $115 a month to play a few monthly fee type games.
This WOULD help the game out instead of making them go F2P to try and save themselves.
Wish many people would actually use their head.
It is not about comprehension but common sense. How many adults here with a regular job and family can play multiple MMOS ina day? so ofcourse we are going to asnwer OP in terms of value of a single MMO maybe two. Even then 30 bucks is pocket change compared to other daily expenses.
The subscription price has never been a factor for me. Either I like a game or not.
This. I don't mind paying for the service. Even if I were to only play a couple times a month, $15~ is cheap.
Sure, I miss when the standard price was $9.99 (briefly $7.99) per month, but.. you know.. inflation. I think we've got a bargain @ the current standard price. I firmly believe we have all the competition to thank for that.
Even if I was making 15 million dollars a year I would not waste $15 a month on something if it wasnt worth it. I would rather donate that $330 a year to a charity or a soup kitchen for the poor than throw money at a company making a product I do not enjoy.
To answer the OPs question. Yes.
Just because I am willing to pay 15 a month for ONE MMORPG that does not mean ALL MMORPGs are worth the same.
Example, SWTOR. Not worth 15 a month. Not worth 5 a month, may perhaps be worth 1 a month. AoC, no...not even worth 1 a month. If GW2 had a subscription, I may be willing to pay 10 a month. WoW? When it first came out, 20 a month, now? maybe 5.
Right now I see no MMORPGs on the market that is worth 15 a month. I would rather buy a few happy meals for some poor kids and play a F2P or B2P game.
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However, if you wanted to play MANY games, that nothing $15 x amount of games you really wanted to play is not cheap.
This is to MOST people on the world.
To actually answer the OP's question, yes, if the monthly fee was cheaper, I would more than likely try out more than a couple games. It's not really my thing to pay $115 a month to play a few monthly fee type games.
This WOULD help the game out instead of making them go F2P to try and save themselves.
Wish many people would actually use their head.
Who the hell has time to play four or five MMO's in a single month?
Originally posted by kb4blu The subscription price has never been a factor for me. Either I like a game or not.
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
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Agreed with the vast majority in this thread. $15 a month is not a barrier to entry in the least. If it's good, I'll play. If it's bad, I won't.
I would actually enjoy seeing a shift in the market toward free to buy, free trial (level 20) but a sub cost afterward. Thats a ballsy move, and it shows a ton of confidence in your product. That said, I do think that F2P has a place. I think that a solid F2P game would do amazingly well on the console market. The entire premise behind that market is ease of play, and being able to jump in and play without any overhead would be great. Happy Wars is a small example of that, and its working quite well. I enjoy the game, and have played it exclusively lately. For their trouble, they earned 10 bucks from me in their cash shop. The fact that you use MSP makes it so much better because its an easier way for most people to get money into their hands.
It takes a ton of smart balance to make a cash shop work. But for PC gaming, a sub is really the way to go. But a sub game with no box cost and a free, lengthy, trial would go miles toward getting more players back into that market. Hell, its working for Wizard 101. That is, more or less, what that game is.
I get the feeling a lot of the people on here are of an older kind. Right now sub fees just aren't an issue based on the fact that i'm now in employment.But I remember when I was a kid, and why Runescape was the absoloute shit back then. The sub for membership was something like £3.50, and one of the few things I could afford being a kid. The low sub price is one of the major things I attribute to that games success. So while sub price seems to not be an issue for mmorpg.com's user base, I expect certain other communities would have a much different opinion on its importance.
Depends on the percieved value of what I'm subscribing to. I wouldn't pay 15 a month for a buggy semi supported older MMO but I would pay 15 a month for, lets say Rift? if i ever decided I wanted to return
There's no simple yes or no answer for me. It all depends on the amount of fun and the game itself
It's not that 15 bucks is a lot of money, it's what I get for them i calculate with
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
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One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
What? all at same time? is that even a serious question?
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I was thinking the same thing. If you're playing that many MMOs you're not really "playing" them, they're just on your hard drive.
Anyways, fifty cents a day is squat. Hell, that used to only get you a couple rounds in the old arcades; talk about cheap entertainment. Price has never kept me from not subbing to an MMO. Only crap games and the neverending sea of titles that follow the familiar formula like lemmings have kept me away.
The price for an MMO subscription should have gone up after all these years. Realistically though, that would be hard to justify considering the stagnated state of the genre.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So many people fail to comprehend.
Yes, $15 is nothing.
However, if you wanted to play MANY games, that nothing $15 x amount of games you really wanted to play is not cheap.
This is to MOST people on the world.
To actually answer the OP's question, yes, if the monthly fee was cheaper, I would more than likely try out more than a couple games. It's not really my thing to pay $115 a month to play a few monthly fee type games.
This WOULD help the game out instead of making them go F2P to try and save themselves.
Wish many people would actually use their head.
Money is not a factor.
If I wasn't having fun in a game, playing less money won't make it fun.
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John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
It is not about comprehension but common sense. How many adults here with a regular job and family can play multiple MMOS ina day? so ofcourse we are going to asnwer OP in terms of value of a single MMO maybe two. Even then 30 bucks is pocket change compared to other daily expenses.
This. I don't mind paying for the service. Even if I were to only play a couple times a month, $15~ is cheap.
Sure, I miss when the standard price was $9.99 (briefly $7.99) per month, but.. you know.. inflation. I think we've got a bargain @ the current standard price. I firmly believe we have all the competition to thank for that.
Even if I was making 15 million dollars a year I would not waste $15 a month on something if it wasnt worth it. I would rather donate that $330 a year to a charity or a soup kitchen for the poor than throw money at a company making a product I do not enjoy.
To answer the OPs question. Yes.
Just because I am willing to pay 15 a month for ONE MMORPG that does not mean ALL MMORPGs are worth the same.
Example, SWTOR. Not worth 15 a month. Not worth 5 a month, may perhaps be worth 1 a month. AoC, no...not even worth 1 a month. If GW2 had a subscription, I may be willing to pay 10 a month. WoW? When it first came out, 20 a month, now? maybe 5.
Right now I see no MMORPGs on the market that is worth 15 a month. I would rather buy a few happy meals for some poor kids and play a F2P or B2P game.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I'm no coffee drinker but 15 bucks a day? Doese Juan Valdez come your house and grind the beans in your kitchen?
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Subscription fees are a nonissue. It's all about the feature list.
My time is valuable to me, so do I want to invest my time into a game and what's the payout in terms of entertainment and satisfaction.
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Played - FFXI, WoW, Lineage 2, Guild Wars, Aion, SWToR, LotRO, GW2, TERA, Rift, ArcheAge, TSW
Who the hell has time to play four or five MMO's in a single month?
I would have played Darkfall Unholy Wars if its subscription was 65 dollars cheaper.
In other words, I would have gotten a game account and logged in now and then if they paid me 50 dollars a month.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR