tab-combat or action combat?

SavageHorizon

Originally posted by Nemesis7884

gw2 is in my opinion also tab target combat, just packaged in a more interesting way...but it still gets old, fast

Yes GW2 is a semi Tab Targeting system like ESO, these are not action combat systems.

besides, as said, i think tera did the combat right, but everything else wrong...besides, theyre not doing so bad, last i heard they had over 1m subscribers worldwide mid this year

Tera was very close to an action targeting system more so than GW2/ESO

i mean, just look at a game like mount & blade, how much success it has altough pretty much everything speaks against it - no story, crappy graphics, hardly any features - why is that, why does it have so many follow ups? cause the combat is just damn great (and m&b's combat isnt even done that well cause its pretty clunky and unresponsive)

Mount and blade does have a great combat system but it's not an mmo.

regarding archeage, i have a friend who was in beta 4 and 5, i played a little, i can tell you a few things

I don't believe that you have actually played the game, yes it does have classic tab targeting but it also has something that all these so called action combat system don't have, collision detection 

- the combat system is very very classic tab targeting - aka world of warcraft style

This makes the combat a bit more than your standard tab targeting system, spells don't go through walls, you can use objects in the world and you have to use positioning while in PVP, are you sure you have played the game lol?

- the skill system is interesting as it lets you choose several decks (3) to select skills from, so its somewhat open

Again you fail to mention that you can wear any armour and use any weapon plus you have over 120 class combination, ESO and your EQN can't even come close.

 

 

Talking about your beloved EQN, it hasn't been confirmed whether it will be tab targeting or semi action, i think you won't be playing that game once you realize it's not a full action combat system.

Don't expect Darkfall or Mount & Blade combat for your EQN.

TCOS had a great system, true action combat imo, see vid.

Black Desert looks to have a true action combat system.

Asm0deus

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by GoodAfternoon

Originally posted by Nemesis7884

they die less fast...look at mmos released with traditional tab target combat, theyre not making it half a year (secret world for example)

i truly believe, to stay alive as an mmo nowadays you need to be

a) niche, which comes also from b and c,

b) sandbox

c) interesting combat mechanics - therefore no tab target combat

Compare TERA to Rift. 

Rift can't be called a failure, however TERA can. 

 

A- I dunno about that, EVE is kinda the only one that comes to mind.

B-Again how's Darkfall and Mortal Online doing?

C-See TERA, combat doesnt keep people around. 

 

DF and MO are closer to FPSMMOs like Defiance than they are to MMORPGs and I think that is the problem.  Some people want an action game where you combine console shooter with RPG where your twitch-skills determine your success. That's fine and can be fun at times, but for Pathfinder I am hoping that they stick to the core of their tabletop RPG where your CHARACTER's skills determine success or failure.

 

 

Have to agree here and hope the same thing, I am getting tired of the "action combat" fad.  Way I see it a true mmoRPG should be tab targeting as it is IMHO the evolution of a menu based rpg like the first Final Fantasy and "action combat" mmo are more the evolution of Zelda like games.

 

Seriously there should be two categories, Instead of mmorpg and lumping a whole lot of games that really don't apply into this category they should fine tune it. For example back in the day you had RPGs and "action RPGs" sometimes there was even debates on whether it was an "action rpg" or an adventure game.

 

I think the term "mmorpg" needs to evolve into several different terms.