Originally posted by Cod_Eye If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p, most f2p games are just a cash grab. Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.
Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.
It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.
Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.
As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it. But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.
If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response. I value money and I enjoy gaming.
That last part, nice fallacy thar. How about less assumptions that dont help your arguement and more facts.
Your statement added nothing to the debate, so how about emphasising how it is an improper argument? and my assumption was?
Your assumptions
- time is free
- money isn't
- people only buy things to bypass content
- people buy rewards to avoid trying to achieve them
- people pay for items in a game because they are stupid
- paying monthly for a virtual game is different from paying for individual content in a virtual game
- f2p is only for low quality games
- valuing money is more important than valuing time
- the value of a virtual item is dependent on your perception of what the value should be
Actually, there's nothing really that you wrote that wasn't an assumption other than your smatterings of insults directed at those who choose to play games differently than you.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Originally posted by krevra Haters gonna hate on f2p. State your opionions all you want. All im saying is thar was at ime when alot of f2p games where just grinders and extremly generic but more and more quality games are becoming f2p or going out as f2p. F2P is here to stay and its a quality model. We are currently in a evolution in pc gaming where f2p no longer means generic and low quality. And if you cant accept that then you are simlply blinding yourself to whats going on. Companies dont move to f2p model to make less money, its to attract a larger audiance and increase revenue. P2P isnt going away anytime soon but less and less games will adopt that model and if they do like we have already seen more then enough times as proof, they will go f2p in the end. F2P is just a more attractive model. The whole only shit games go f2p is pretty naive, just thought i would throw that out thar since its based on the vocal minority.
you are Right on Krevra if the haters can't see that then its their loss
I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad
Tera , SWTOR , Aion all for teas games went F2P for one reason
Because they were not designed well enough and not good enough to keep people paying in the long term.
They go FTP as a last ditch effort to boost revenue before fading away. They can steal so much more money for so little effort with FTP gimmicks. They make the game a pain to play then sell you shortcuts.
DavisFight you don't know waht your talking about have you ever even played a F2P game ? I think not
I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad
Tera , SWTOR , Aion all for teas games went F2P for one reason to give sub players more people to play with
All had good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers
So F2P was added you can still sub and many do
F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out
Or have we all forgot SWG (Star Wars Galaxys )
F2P is horrible. First off, it's a sign the game failed to win consistent customer interest. It creates a free rider problem and often leads to limits that weren't there to begin with. Just take a look at LoTRO - you have to pay for traveling. Look at SWTOR. The developers should not have had the hubris to charge a fee, launched their titles as buy to play and offered some services in a store.
f2p is nice and all but if the game is good people will shell out the monthly subscription. f2p is a last resort for some games before they die and for other games its the only way people will evr play it. Ultimately if a game goes from sub to f2p theyve failed imo.
I think they should just increase the monthly subscription costs on P2P games to $500 each month, because then the subscribers would be getting a excellent quality game, and no need for a cash shop so it clearly couldn't be pay2win, and they wouldn't have to have any freeloaders plugging up the map.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad
Tera , SWTOR , Aion all for teas games went F2P for one reason to give sub players more people to play with
All had good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers
So F2P was added you can still sub and many do
F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out
Or have we all forgot SWG (Star Wars Galaxys )
Some f2p title are good, but games like SWTOR are too heavily restricted for the f2p crowd. Aion and Lotro are good examples of friendly f2p titles. Lotro is restricted, but you can earn turbine points in the game...so it isn't too bad.
And, SWG had a good enough population. Besides, It would be f2p now if LA hadn't killed it.
I am not saying every F2P game is good far from it some are flamingly bad but F2P is not the kiss of death and as for SWTOR if you spend 4.99 us its 95% unlocked as for SWG F2P might bring it back Dinsey got LA too
F2P isn't a concept. It is a marketing term. Games with cash shop are based on the idea of paying for advancement. Players don't purchase items because they want to support the game. We buy them so our characters can gain an advantage.
yet another person that knows nothing of waht thay talk of because they have never played a F2P game
F2P is horrible. First off, it's a sign the game failed to win consistent customer interest. It creates a free rider problem and often leads to limits that weren't there to begin with. Just take a look at LoTRO - you have to pay for traveling. Look at SWTOR. The developers should not have had the hubris to charge a fee, launched their titles as buy to play and offered some services in a store.
Exactly. Even with the strength of the name, Lord of the Rings Online was always a lesser son of greater sires. When it went to F2P, it dropped even lower.
Actually SOE games as well as SWTOR are what I'd call Freemium where they limit the gameplay so much that you practically have to pay a monthly fee subscription to do anything meaningful. LOTRO had a touch of this as well, altho built into the lotro game was the ability to eventually not need to sub for anything toward the end of the game.F2P is where you don't buy anything, you don't sub to anything and the few limitations are manageable and you're not forced to buy or subscribe to anything to play meaningfully. I've read that TERA will be going the Freemium route. Trust me Freemium is ALWAYS bad unless you are someone who enjoys throwing money away.
this is not true All SOE games are free to play your way that is a game like aion where all content 100 % of it is free the only items you cant pay for are cosmetic items and one hour expe boost no play to win and not blocked off content the whole game is truly free SWTOR limits only new space battles and new PVP warzones all game content is free 100% of it
LOTRO is Freemium and you can get thay content without ever subing
F2P isn't a concept. It is a marketing term. Games with cash shop are based on the idea of paying for advancement. Players don't purchase items because they want to support the game. We buy them so our characters can gain an advantage.
yet another person that knows nothing of waht thay talk of because they have never played a F2P game
thinktank is absolutely correct, an inferior game that the devs know no one will pay for they make it f2p open up a cash shop players spend money on useless things to improve their character or simply make it look unique. instead of a small amount of subs they have an abundance of free gamers and even if 1/3 of those gamers buy something from the shop they still profit. Its a very good mmo business model. but in my experience the sub games have more quality.
Actually SOE games as well as SWTOR are what I'd call Freemium where they limit the gameplay so much that you practically have to pay a monthly fee subscription to do anything meaningful. LOTRO had a touch of this as well, altho built into the lotro game was the ability to eventually not need to sub for anything toward the end of the game.F2P is where you don't buy anything, you don't sub to anything and the few limitations are manageable and you're not forced to buy or subscribe to anything to play meaningfully. I've read that TERA will be going the Freemium route. Trust me Freemium is ALWAYS bad unless you are someone who enjoys throwing money away.
this is not true All SOE games are free to play your way that is a game like aion where all content 100 % of it is free the only items you cant pay for are cosmetic items and one hour expe boost no play to win and not blocked off content the whole game is truly free SWTOR limits only new space battles and new PVP warzones all game content is free 100% of it
LOTRO is Freemium and you can get thay content without ever subing
know what your talking about before you speek !
You'll never get a subscription fan to admit anything positive about a F2P title. That would be like finding out that the $.50 a day you've been sending to put starving kids through school, is actually only going to feed fat Waldo for his printing/administration fees.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.
That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.
I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad
Tera , SWTOR , Aion all for teas games went F2P for one reason to give sub players more people to play with
All had good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers
So F2P was added you can still sub and many do
F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out
Or have we all forgot SWG (Star Wars Galaxys )
Those games are not F2P, Tera is CLOSE, but still not F2P. They are freemium, its NOT THE SAME THING.
F2P is a good thing...if its done RIGHT. Just ask Nexon, only EA has made MORE PROFITS in the gaming world than Nexon and they did most of it from FREE 2 PLAY games. Real F2P. Freemium is just lifesupport for failed/failing games.
Proof? Look at the profits and amounts of people playing the better F2P games, At its peak, Runes of Magic brought in near $60,000,000.00 in profits in one year with over 3 million playing it.
3 million players, far more than ANY two freemium games combined, more than likely any 4 freemiums combined....120 million in PROFIT...thats equal to 337k people paying a subscription...now factor in operating costs...and Runes of Magic is a very generic game...imagine if one of these corporations got their heads out of their backsides and took their failed subscription game and actually went F2P, targetting actual F2P players instead of trying to sub trap people while providing really bad cash shops.
It would be like DDO all over again, a fail game suddenly making a ton of money from a LOT of people because the game, even though it failed as a sub was far superior to F2P games out there. I damn near cracked my skull from hitting my forehead so hard when Funcom announced how they were taking Age of Conan "free"...that game could have brought in MILLIONS of players if they werent so damn stupid.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.
That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.
your right on the sub games with cash shops but try a good F2P game some time like Aion , LOTRO , DDO or AoC you will be surprised
I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.
That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.
your right on the sub games with cash shops but try a good F2P game some time like Aion , LOTRO , DDO or AoC you will be surprised
Ehh... I might try DDO again as I haven't played it since it was a sub game. But AoC, LotRO and Aion are all pretty boring to me. But, I'll admit, that has nothing to do with being F2P or cash shop, just the games themselves.
I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad
Tera , SWTOR , Aion all for teas games went F2P for one reason to give sub players more people to play with
All had good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers
So F2P was added you can still sub and many do
F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out
Or have we all forgot SWG (Star Wars Galaxys )
Those games are not F2P, Tera is CLOSE, but still not F2P. They are freemium, its NOT THE SAME THING.
F2P is a good thing...if its done RIGHT. Just ask Nexon, only EA has made MORE PROFITS in the gaming world than Nexon and they did most of it from FREE 2 PLAY games. Real F2P. Freemium is just lifesupport for failed/failing games.
Proof? Look at the profits and amounts of people playing the better F2P games, At its peak, Runes of Magic brought in near $60,000,000.00 in profits in one year with over 3 million playing it.
3 million players, far more than ANY two freemium games combined, more than likely any 4 freemiums combined....120 million in PROFIT...thats equal to 337k people paying a subscription...now factor in operating costs...and Runes of Magic is a very generic game...imagine if one of these corporations got their heads out of their backsides and took their failed subscription game and actually went F2P, targetting actual F2P players instead of trying to sub trap people while providing really bad cash shops.
It would be like DDO all over again, a fail game suddenly making a ton of money from a LOT of people because the game, even though it failed as a sub was far superior to F2P games out there. I damn near cracked my skull from hitting my forehead so hard when Funcom announced how they were taking Age of Conan "free"...that game could have brought in MILLIONS of players if they werent so damn stupid.
Aion is not Freemium nether is SWTOR but is not full F2P either
This thred is not to split hairs on what types of F2P games are good or bad
Free 2 Play is a category
Freemium , buy to win , Fully Free , ect. are subcategories
I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.
That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.
your right on the sub games with cash shops but try a good F2P game some time like Aion , LOTRO , DDO or AoC you will be surprised
Ehh... I might try DDO again as I haven't played it since it was a sub game. But AoC, LotRO and Aion are all pretty boring to me. But, I'll admit, that has nothing to do with being F2P or cash shop, just the games themselves.
thats whats good about F2P every type of game is out their from puzzle to racing and even shooters and sims
I speak of Aion DDO and LoTro because I like RPG's
Originally posted by Cod_Eye If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p, most f2p games are just a cash grab. Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.
I've been playing WoW for about five years. That's $900 spent on a subscription for pixels I will never own. I fail to see the difference between spending $15 a month on a sub or $15 a month on microtransactions in a F2P game.
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Your assumptions
Actually, there's nothing really that you wrote that wasn't an assumption other than your smatterings of insults directed at those who choose to play games differently than you.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
you are Right on Krevra if the haters can't see that then its their loss
DavisFight you don't know waht your talking about have you ever even played a F2P game ? I think not
F2P is horrible. First off, it's a sign the game failed to win consistent customer interest. It creates a free rider problem and often leads to limits that weren't there to begin with. Just take a look at LoTRO - you have to pay for traveling. Look at SWTOR. The developers should not have had the hubris to charge a fee, launched their titles as buy to play and offered some services in a store.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
I am not saying every F2P game is good far from it some are flamingly bad but F2P is not the kiss of death and as for SWTOR if you spend 4.99 us its 95% unlocked as for SWG F2P might bring it back Dinsey got LA too
Men getting mad at how other men spend their money...
Sounds like an episode of Real Housewifes of MMO
lol thats all we need is more housewife shows to flood our televisions
Exactly. Even with the strength of the name, Lord of the Rings Online was always a lesser son of greater sires. When it went to F2P, it dropped even lower.
It's even worse now that it's starting to leak into our interwebz...
this is not true All SOE games are free to play your way that is a game like aion where all content 100 % of it is free the only items you cant pay for are cosmetic items and one hour expe boost no play to win and not blocked off content the whole game is truly free SWTOR limits only new space battles and new PVP warzones all game content is free 100% of it
LOTRO is Freemium and you can get thay content without ever subing
know what your talking about before you speek !
thinktank is absolutely correct, an inferior game that the devs know no one will pay for they make it f2p open up a cash shop players spend money on useless things to improve their character or simply make it look unique. instead of a small amount of subs they have an abundance of free gamers and even if 1/3 of those gamers buy something from the shop they still profit. Its a very good mmo business model. but in my experience the sub games have more quality.
Sorry...hated to do it, but I just couldn't pass on this...
You'll never get a subscription fan to admit anything positive about a F2P title. That would be like finding out that the $.50 a day you've been sending to put starving kids through school, is actually only going to feed fat Waldo for his printing/administration fees.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
lol... ahh misspellings are great especially when there is so much irony like in the previous statement.
I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.
That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.
Those games are not F2P, Tera is CLOSE, but still not F2P. They are freemium, its NOT THE SAME THING.
F2P is a good thing...if its done RIGHT. Just ask Nexon, only EA has made MORE PROFITS in the gaming world than Nexon and they did most of it from FREE 2 PLAY games. Real F2P. Freemium is just lifesupport for failed/failing games.
Proof? Look at the profits and amounts of people playing the better F2P games, At its peak, Runes of Magic brought in near $60,000,000.00 in profits in one year with over 3 million playing it.
3 million players, far more than ANY two freemium games combined, more than likely any 4 freemiums combined....120 million in PROFIT...thats equal to 337k people paying a subscription...now factor in operating costs...and Runes of Magic is a very generic game...imagine if one of these corporations got their heads out of their backsides and took their failed subscription game and actually went F2P, targetting actual F2P players instead of trying to sub trap people while providing really bad cash shops.
It would be like DDO all over again, a fail game suddenly making a ton of money from a LOT of people because the game, even though it failed as a sub was far superior to F2P games out there. I damn near cracked my skull from hitting my forehead so hard when Funcom announced how they were taking Age of Conan "free"...that game could have brought in MILLIONS of players if they werent so damn stupid.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
LoL ....... Jest is fair play
your right on the sub games with cash shops but try a good F2P game some time like Aion , LOTRO , DDO or AoC you will be surprised
Ehh... I might try DDO again as I haven't played it since it was a sub game. But AoC, LotRO and Aion are all pretty boring to me. But, I'll admit, that has nothing to do with being F2P or cash shop, just the games themselves.
Aion is not Freemium nether is SWTOR but is not full F2P either
This thred is not to split hairs on what types of F2P games are good or bad
Free 2 Play is a category
Freemium , buy to win , Fully Free , ect. are subcategories
thats whats good about F2P every type of game is out their from puzzle to racing and even shooters and sims
I speak of Aion DDO and LoTro because I like RPG's
I've been playing WoW for about five years. That's $900 spent on a subscription for pixels I will never own. I fail to see the difference between spending $15 a month on a sub or $15 a month on microtransactions in a F2P game.