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Who's idea was it to have tutorials for mmorpgs?!?
bcbully
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Please get rid of tutorials.
I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.
Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.
/endrant
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I'm not a fan of "info dump" style tutorials which lead you through every aspect of the game over 1-2 hours. I prefer tutorials to pop up as you encounter new things.
"Hey you finally made it to a city, crafting stations are here and here, if you go to one you can learn more about crafting" And then it shouldn't show up until you go to a crafting area and say "Show me".
Alright alright, we hate the tutorials in our MMO's. Especially since the tutorials are extremely similar throughout the genre.
But cmon, let's be a little considerate about the ones who have never picked up an MMO before.
Try Planetside 2, and tell me you can figure out what to do in the first 2 hours of gameplay. No Tutorial and you WILL be lost. Tutorials are fine, but should have the option to skip them if you want.
Make them skippable and I'm happy. Solves both sides of the problem.
Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade.
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What these here dudes dun said ---^
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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For me, part of the fun of playing a game is figuring things out. With most MMOs, it's really not that hard.
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On a more serious note, I too enjoy more of a popup style of tutorial as opposed to a 2hr scripted session.
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EvE has a great tutorial
CoX had a decent one. Short, provided rewards, and was skippable if you REALLLLLLLY wanted to be in the main zones
Sorry I'm the explorer-type so forgive me if this comes out sounding a bit prickish but:
"If you coming aboard a mmo expecting to be shown how to play instead of yearning to learn how to play you're right where devs and their current creations want you."
Now with that being said, I understand the need to show new players the basics but for every "job" that devs design a system to take over that a mmo's community has traditionally handled very well, it chips away at the very foundation needed in order to build a strong one.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Nope they went the way of tree killing
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UO didn't have a tutorial until years after release. Like EVE, it's a game that desperately needs one because of everything there is to do in it, but I can only image the developers says "Well, ... where the **** do we start?!?!"
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Eve didn't used to really have much of a tutorial. Everyone complained about how hard it was and it needed a better one.
Now people are complaining because games do have tutorials. Trust me, EVE needs a tutorial. There is so much to do, it is not intuitive.
If all you have to do is swing a sword more forward or back maybe pick up loot, I don't care if there is a tutorial or not. but seriously when an MMO is complex, because it allow players to do hundreds of different things in the game. You need some sort of tutorial.
If you can’t turn off tutorials please make note of this in a bug report so that we can make a tutorial explaining how to do this for you. Really there is no sarcasm in that.
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As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
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