Its called a "pre-patch or pre-expansion slowdown". Every MMO has them. Its just some MMOs try to compensate for it by holding special events to try to keep people playing. But a slowdown is completely normal and expected.
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
everybody have their own taste
both games still have bugs,,but STO is the innovative of those two
i dont know about sub numbers, but i think STO staff are more safe than SWTOR
and STO have added a lot of new stuff lately,,space walks, a new zone
and ..oh yea,,STO have REAL SPACE COMBAT
NOT a small mini game
and RIFT? i woud be surprised if they have more than 300k
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
What people are paying for in SWTOR is NOTHING. IT is to pay for the stuff that has already been developed. It is like paying a monthly fee to Mass Effect 3. All single player games are better constructed than MMOs. I always thought that KOTOR was a better made game than SWG, but KOTOR is just a great limited play time game, and TOR is no different, but burdened with an unecessary monthly fee.
"A washed up actrees"? Really? You have to insult others now too? At least they trying
Makeb is older than Season 7
STO is not meant to be huge, it is only meant to be a niche game, so it can handle the small playerbase.
When STO launched they said that it would be a bare bones MMO, and they look forward to getting players feedback to shape and progress the game, and they have not failed yet. They did do it and they are still doing it. They care more about the game than EA does for SWTOR, who only care about the $$$. STO gets improvements every day, and more update more features, and more advancements whereas SWTOR is what it is, and mostly will be what it is for the rest of its life, because the game flopped and they are not pouring any more money into it. They said in 2008 they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which they do not now. If they had, they would pouring it into the game.
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
What people are paying for in SWTOR is NOTHING. IT is to pay for the stuff that has already been developed. It is like paying a monthly fee to Mass Effect 3. All single player games are better constructed than MMOs. I always thought that KOTOR was a better made game than SWG, but KOTOR is just a great limited play time game, and TOR is no different, but burdened with an unecessary monthly fee.
STO is not meant to be huge, it is only meant to be a niche game, so it can handle the small playerbase.
When STO launched they said that it would be a bare bones MMO, and they look forward to getting players feedback to shape and progress the game, and they have not failed yet. They did do it and they are still doing it. They care more about the game than EA does for SWTOR, who only care about the $$$. STO gets improvements every day, and more update more features, and more advancements whereas SWTOR is what it is, and mostly will be what it is for the rest of its life, because the game flopped and they are not pouring any more money into it. They said in 2008 they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which they do not now. If they had, they would pouring it into the game.
They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
What people are paying for in SWTOR is NOTHING. IT is to pay for the stuff that has already been developed. It is like paying a monthly fee to Mass Effect 3. All single player games are better constructed than MMOs. I always thought that KOTOR was a better made game than SWG, but KOTOR is just a great limited play time game, and TOR is no different, but burdened with an unecessary monthly fee.
STO is not meant to be huge, it is only meant to be a niche game, so it can handle the small playerbase.
When STO launched they said that it would be a bare bones MMO, and they look forward to getting players feedback to shape and progress the game, and they have not failed yet. They did do it and they are still doing it. They care more about the game than EA does for SWTOR, who only care about the $$$. STO gets improvements every day, and more update more features, and more advancements whereas SWTOR is what it is, and mostly will be what it is for the rest of its life, because the game flopped and they are not pouring any more money into it. They said in 2008 they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which they do not now. If they had, they would pouring it into the game.
They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
It is not made up, It is in one of my magazines with an interview with the devs
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
What people are paying for in SWTOR is NOTHING. IT is to pay for the stuff that has already been developed. It is like paying a monthly fee to Mass Effect 3. All single player games are better constructed than MMOs. I always thought that KOTOR was a better made game than SWG, but KOTOR is just a great limited play time game, and TOR is no different, but burdened with an unecessary monthly fee.
STO is not meant to be huge, it is only meant to be a niche game, so it can handle the small playerbase.
When STO launched they said that it would be a bare bones MMO, and they look forward to getting players feedback to shape and progress the game, and they have not failed yet. They did do it and they are still doing it. They care more about the game than EA does for SWTOR, who only care about the $$$. STO gets improvements every day, and more update more features, and more advancements whereas SWTOR is what it is, and mostly will be what it is for the rest of its life, because the game flopped and they are not pouring any more money into it. They said in 2008 they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which they do not now. If they had, they would pouring it into the game.
They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
It is not made up, It is in one of my magazines with an interview with the devs
Sorry if i don't believe you. Mind posting a link here or something? i bet they would make such an important annoucement at more than one venue considering the shit storm that started when STO released which led to its downfall and hence F2P conversion. bare bone MMO release doesn't cover all the broken content, bugs, exploits and other zillion problems at release though (stuck in space dock...nightmare which still exists after so many years).
Not to mention the biggest reason why it got so much hate.. the heavily instanced and boxed in world of STO with hilariously small maps. By expanding they meant adding more instances on top of the existing ones?
it is in my magazine..how convenient.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
everybody have their own taste
both games still have bugs,,but STO is the innovative of those two
i dont know about sub numbers, but i think STO staff are more safe than SWTOR
and STO have added a lot of new stuff lately,,space walks, a new zone
and ..oh yea,,STO have REAL SPACE COMBAT
NOT a small mini game
and RIFT? i woud be surprised if they have more than 300k
TOR's bugs are no where near the problem that STO's are. Not even close.Every game has its bugs but when it becomes a problem is when they are so frequent that they burden the gameplay. If I was to guess the number of players in STO it wouldn't even be close to 100k. The game is dead every time I pop in. The space combat in STO is good but the ground combat sucks. Every planet and building looks the same and the combat is jerky and slow response.
And not that innovation matters more than fun, but what is so innovative about STO? The best part of it which is space was ripped off from Starfeel Command.
They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
It is not made up, It is in one of my magazines with an interview with the devs
Sorry if i don't believe you. Mind posting a link here or something? i bet they would make such an important annoucement at more than one venue considering the shit storm that started when STO released which led to its downfall and hence F2P conversion. bare bone MMO release doesn't cover all the broken content, bugs, exploits and other zillion problems at release though (stuck in space dock...nightmare which still exists after so many years).
Not to mention the biggest reason why it got so much hate.. the heavily instanced and boxed in world of STO with hilariously small maps. By expanding they meant adding more instances on top of the existing ones?
it is in my magazine..how convenient.
The only time I remember a comment like that was a few months before launch when it became known that the Klingon faction was going to be gimped compared to the Fedederation. No mission chain of story content . To level you had to do repetitive zones and PVP. After the rain of shitstorm hit a dev popped up and said that Klingons would be getting more in the future. They're still waiting.
By the way, this was all after they had been telling everybody how it was going to be no problem releasing an MMO after only two years development time. Probably the biggest lie of them all.
What SWTOR has had and is getting is stuff that is already done, and nothing new, unlike STO, which got Denise Crosby to voice her char Tasha Yar. in the event added for the 3 year anniversary. That took less than 1 month to do.
Congratulations. They were able to get a washed up actress to record some dialogue. Big whoopty doo. And I don't know where you're getting this "SWTOR is getting stuff that isn't new" from. Just because it was in the planning stages last year doesn't mean that it is old. The content doesn't become "old" until has been live on the servers for a long time. Since Makeb hasn't even been released yet, it isn't old.
Perfect World are totally commited to making the best o....
You can spare me the sales pitch. I play the game from time to time and know better.
I may sub again when Makeb comes, and play a bit more than a few mins here and there in F2P, but STO is always getting stuff, and being sucked into the game, on a constant basis. Considering that PW are probably not getting as much revenue from STO as what SWTOR generates, it is quite amazing really, it makes you wonder what it is you are really paying for with SWTOR
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
What people are paying for in SWTOR is NOTHING. IT is to pay for the stuff that has already been developed. It is like paying a monthly fee to Mass Effect 3. All single player games are better constructed than MMOs. I always thought that KOTOR was a better made game than SWG, but KOTOR is just a great limited play time game, and TOR is no different, but burdened with an unecessary monthly fee.
STO is not meant to be huge, it is only meant to be a niche game, so it can handle the small playerbase.
When STO launched they said that it would be a bare bones MMO, and they look forward to getting players feedback to shape and progress the game, and they have not failed yet. They did do it and they are still doing it. They care more about the game than EA does for SWTOR, who only care about the $$$. STO gets improvements every day, and more update more features, and more advancements whereas SWTOR is what it is, and mostly will be what it is for the rest of its life, because the game flopped and they are not pouring any more money into it. They said in 2008 they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which they do not now. If they had, they would pouring it into the game.
They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
It is not made up, It is in one of my magazines with an interview with the devs
Sorry if i don't believe you. Mind posting a link here or something? i bet they would make such an important annoucement at more than one venue considering the shit storm that started when STO released which led to its downfall and hence F2P conversion. bare bone MMO release doesn't cover all the broken content, bugs, exploits and other zillion problems at release though (stuck in space dock...nightmare which still exists after so many years).
Not to mention the biggest reason why it got so much hate.. the heavily instanced and boxed in world of STO with hilariously small maps. By expanding they meant adding more instances on top of the existing ones?
it is in my magazine..how convenient.
It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
It is not made up, It is in one of my magazines with an interview with the devs
Sorry if i don't believe you. Mind posting a link here or something? i bet they would make such an important annoucement at more than one venue considering the shit storm that started when STO released which led to its downfall and hence F2P conversion. bare bone MMO release doesn't cover all the broken content, bugs, exploits and other zillion problems at release though (stuck in space dock...nightmare which still exists after so many years).
Not to mention the biggest reason why it got so much hate.. the heavily instanced and boxed in world of STO with hilariously small maps. By expanding they meant adding more instances on top of the existing ones?
it is in my magazine..how convenient.
The only time I remember a comment like that was a few months before launch when it became known that the Klingon faction was going to be gimped compared to the Fedederation. No mission chain of story content . To level you had to do repetitive zones and PVP. After the rain of shitstorm hit a dev popped up and said that Klingons would be getting more in the future. They're still waiting.
By the way, this was all after they had been telling everybody how it was going to be no problem releasing an MMO after only two years development time. Probably the biggest lie of them all.
I don't know since when it was ok when devs make a statement 'after working for 2 to 3 years we are releasing a bare bone MMO and would love to have feedback from players to expand it further".
That is biggest bull i have ever read really. And someone is actually giving a Cryptic free pass on this just to spite on SWTOR? amazing.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
No it makes all the difference because i hate it when people sping things by making up their own stuff. I like to deal in relevant and factual information and since you cant come up with any relevant source of info to share with us other than 'your' magazine, you just made it very easy for me to shrug aside anything you say regarding STO's past as well as present.
And who can forget infamous skill cap changes to STO? Cryptic has done alot more than just to release a bare bone MMO to piss off the players.
Also i find it ironic that you are ok with Cryptic releasing bare bone MMO and yet you bash on SWTOR every single day. And sorry but no other MMO crashed and burned as fast as STO on release..well maybe Warhammer and AOC.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
I don't know since when it was ok when devs make a statement 'after working for 2 to 3 years we are releasing a bare bone MMO and would love to have feedback from players to expand it further".
That is biggest bull i have ever read really. And someone is actually giving a Cryptic free pass on this just to spite on SWTOR? amazing.
Look at his avatar. Anyone that loves SOE can over look anything. I enjoy TOR, but I don't go out of my way to make a sales pitch about how great Bioware is and overlook the faults in the game. That type of behavior just seems odd to me.
It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
No it makes all the differennce because i hate it when people sping things by making up their own stuff. I like to deal in relevant and factual information and since you cant come up with any relevant source of info to share with us other than 'your' magazine, you just made it very easy for me to shrug aside anything you say regarding STO's past as well as present.
Also i find it ironic that you are ok with Cryptic releasing bare bone MMO and yet you bash on SWTOR every single day. And sorry but no other MMO crashed and burned as fast as STO on release..well maybe Warhammer and AOC.
Whatever, I do not care if you believe me or not, prety much expected if there is no link. If you are not going to like what I say then you are going to try and discredit itmbut you seem to be making a mole hill out of a mountain with it. At the end of the day I do not post stuff that is made up as it just a waste of time. I could dig it out and scan take a photo but it is not worth it. If I do end up going to the trouble and you see it, no doubt you will try and spin it to your favour again.
I do not have an issue with a bare bone MMO, as the devs can create the game for the fans and desires, SWTOR is created by what EA/BW think the fans want. SWTOR just took off and went high and then crash landed, and is going no where. STO took off low, and slowly moving along but onwards and upwards. Either the engine for SWTOR can not add many varied features or they are not willing to improve the game any more, as needs millions of dollars they are not willing to spend any more on the game. STO has a future, but SWTOR does not.
It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
No it makes all the differennce because i hate it when people sping things by making up their own stuff. I like to deal in relevant and factual information and since you cant come up with any relevant source of info to share with us other than 'your' magazine, you just made it very easy for me to shrug aside anything you say regarding STO's past as well as present.
Also i find it ironic that you are ok with Cryptic releasing bare bone MMO and yet you bash on SWTOR every single day. And sorry but no other MMO crashed and burned as fast as STO on release..well maybe Warhammer and AOC.
Whatever, I do not care if you believe me or not, prety much expected if there is no link. If you are not going to like what I say then you are going to try and discredit itmbut you seem to be making a mole hill out of a mountain with it. At the end of the day I do not post stuff that is made up as it just a waste of time. I could dig it out and scan take a photo but it is not worth it. If I do end up going to the trouble and you see it, no doubt you will try and spin it to your favour again.
You are right i don't. Asking people to back up their info about what an 'x' company stated in official capacity is not making mountain out of the mole but is a way to give more credibility to the point you are trying to make. Ofcourse, if you want others to take what you say more seriously in future.
I do not have an issue with a bare bone MMO, as the devs can create the game for the fans and desires, SWTOR is created by what EA/BW think the fans want. SWTOR just took off and went high and then crash landed, and is going no where. STO took off low, and slowly moving along but onwards and upwards. Either the engine for SWTOR can not add many varied features or they are not willing to improve the game any more, as needs millions of dollars they are not willing to spend any more on the game. STO has a future, but SWTOR does not.
I am neither a STO fan or SWTOR fan but from where i stand botth are on the same path for me..moving forward. As far as what fans want, Cryptic's sales pitch at one of the press releases is still very famous on you tube by the way where they served a lot of BS to fans where as the actual release ended up nothing like what head honchos of Crytpic said iot would be. Instead it was heavily instanced game with no content for Klingon side.
It is hard to just go back to beginning after hearing so many lies.
Atleast Bioware have been very honest from day one and mentioned many times SWTOR is not SWG and never will be.
I am not biased or have any agenda against any MMOS. But it doesn't take a genius to see that you are using Crytpic's shoulder to fire your gun at Bioware.For me Cryptic is worse than Bioware ever will be.
Here is 4 part webcast to prove how Crytpic really knows how to fool their player base.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
No it makes all the differennce because i hate it when people sping things by making up their own stuff. I like to deal in relevant and factual information and since you cant come up with any relevant source of info to share with us other than 'your' magazine, you just made it very easy for me to shrug aside anything you say regarding STO's past as well as present.
Also i find it ironic that you are ok with Cryptic releasing bare bone MMO and yet you bash on SWTOR every single day. And sorry but no other MMO crashed and burned as fast as STO on release..well maybe Warhammer and AOC.
Whatever, I do not care if you believe me or not, prety much expected if there is no link. If you are not going to like what I say then you are going to try and discredit itmbut you seem to be making a mole hill out of a mountain with it. At the end of the day I do not post stuff that is made up as it just a waste of time. I could dig it out and scan take a photo but it is not worth it. If I do end up going to the trouble and you see it, no doubt you will try and spin it to your favour again.
You are right i don't. Asking people to back up their info about what an 'x' company stated in official capacity is not making mountain out of the mole but is a way to give more credibility to the point you are trying to make. Ofcourse, if you want others to take what you say more seriously in future.
I do not have an issue with a bare bone MMO, as the devs can create the game for the fans and desires, SWTOR is created by what EA/BW think the fans want. SWTOR just took off and went high and then crash landed, and is going no where. STO took off low, and slowly moving along but onwards and upwards. Either the engine for SWTOR can not add many varied features or they are not willing to improve the game any more, as needs millions of dollars they are not willing to spend any more on the game. STO has a future, but SWTOR does not.
I am neither a STO fan or SWTOR fan but from where i stand botth are on the same path for me..moving forward. As far as what fans want, Cryptic's sales pitch at one of the press releases is still very famous on you tube by the way where they served a lot of BS to fans where as the actual release ended up nothing like what head honchos of Crytpic said iot would be. Instead it was heavily instanced game with no content for Klingon side.
It is hard to just go back to beginning after hearing so many lies.
Atleast Bioware have been very honest from day one and mentioned many times SWTOR is not SWG and never will be.
I am not biased or have any agenda against any MMOS. But it doesn't take a genius to see that you are using Crytpic's shoulder to fire your gun at Bioware.For me Cryptic is worse than Bioware ever will be.
Bioware have said it would not be another SWG, but they did say they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which all seems to have been scrapped now, and not coming in.
SWTORs failure is the huge sub loss, and not getting the 10 millions of subs they were aiming for. They just do not have the money to make SWTOR into the MMO they visioned. They saw the success of F2P as well in other companies, and decide to make it F2P, but it is so convoluted it does not attract people to play the game as F2P. They seem to just copy what other companies do, and it all fails as they do not understand the way other companies do it.
It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
No it makes all the differennce because i hate it when people sping things by making up their own stuff. I like to deal in relevant and factual information and since you cant come up with any relevant source of info to share with us other than 'your' magazine, you just made it very easy for me to shrug aside anything you say regarding STO's past as well as present.
Also i find it ironic that you are ok with Cryptic releasing bare bone MMO and yet you bash on SWTOR every single day. And sorry but no other MMO crashed and burned as fast as STO on release..well maybe Warhammer and AOC.
Whatever, I do not care if you believe me or not, prety much expected if there is no link. If you are not going to like what I say then you are going to try and discredit itmbut you seem to be making a mole hill out of a mountain with it. At the end of the day I do not post stuff that is made up as it just a waste of time. I could dig it out and scan take a photo but it is not worth it. If I do end up going to the trouble and you see it, no doubt you will try and spin it to your favour again.
You are right i don't. Asking people to back up their info about what an 'x' company stated in official capacity is not making mountain out of the mole but is a way to give more credibility to the point you are trying to make. Ofcourse, if you want others to take what you say more seriously in future.
I do not have an issue with a bare bone MMO, as the devs can create the game for the fans and desires, SWTOR is created by what EA/BW think the fans want. SWTOR just took off and went high and then crash landed, and is going no where. STO took off low, and slowly moving along but onwards and upwards. Either the engine for SWTOR can not add many varied features or they are not willing to improve the game any more, as needs millions of dollars they are not willing to spend any more on the game. STO has a future, but SWTOR does not.
I am neither a STO fan or SWTOR fan but from where i stand botth are on the same path for me..moving forward. As far as what fans want, Cryptic's sales pitch at one of the press releases is still very famous on you tube by the way where they served a lot of BS to fans where as the actual release ended up nothing like what head honchos of Crytpic said iot would be. Instead it was heavily instanced game with no content for Klingon side.
It is hard to just go back to beginning after hearing so many lies.
Atleast Bioware have been very honest from day one and mentioned many times SWTOR is not SWG and never will be.
I am not biased or have any agenda against any MMOS. But it doesn't take a genius to see that you are using Crytpic's shoulder to fire your gun at Bioware.For me Cryptic is worse than Bioware ever will be.
Bioware have said it would not be another SWG, but they did say they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which all seems to have been scrapped now, and not coming in.
SWTORs failure is the huge sub loss, and not getting the 10 millions of subs they were aiming for. They just do not have the money to make SWTOR into the MMO they visioned. They saw the success of F2P as well in other companies, and decide to make it F2P, but it is so convoluted it does not attract people to play the game as F2P. They seem to just copy what other companies do, and it all fails as they do not understand the way other companies do it.
I am pretty sure Bioware will keep releasing content. it is hard to believe that SWTOR will be similar in say next 2 years with no content updates. Unless it is dead in waters like Vangaurd i really doubt that no new content will release in future.
And since we are talking about failures here what was STO? that is why like i said earlier that your whole 'Crytpic released bare bone MMO but it is all right but SWTOR is a failure' reeks of irony.
Cryptic are the biggest spin masters in MMO world only second to Funcom and Mythic (RIP). And if you watched those webcasts i posted in last reply you would know that by now.
It is like arguing who is worse director Uwe Boll or Michael Bay.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
I am pretty sure Bioware will keep releasing content. it is hard to believe that SWTOR will be similar in say next 2 years with no content updates. Unless it is dead in waters like Vangaurd i really doubt that no new content will release in future.
And since we are talking about failures here what was STO? that is why like i said earlier that your whole 'Crytpic released bare bone MMO but it is all right but SWTOR is a failure' reeks of irony.
Cryptic are the biggest spin masters in MMO world only second to Funcom and Mythic (RIP). And if you watched those webcasts i posted in last reply you would know that by now.
It is like arguing who is worse director Uwe Boll or Michael Bay.
His comment of TOR lacking content is also ironic when you consider that the game has 8 unique class stories, each world has a story quest line along with many side quests, flashpoints,operations and even different warzones for PVP. That is a LOT of content that covers both factions in the game.I've been playing it a lot since release and still have five classes to go that will take me a long time to complete.
STO on the other hand has only ONE faction quest line and that is it unless you want to go scan anomaly or do repeatable zones. Oh and of course the Foundry, which is a bunch of horribly done fan content. And the quest line for the Federation is SO dull.That is all you get no matter what ship type or class you play you'll be playing the same thing over and over again. Even the added cinematics(which are horribly done) can't help it. This is all on top of the fact that the game runs like crap.There's a reason why very few people play it anymore. It just isn't that good.
At some point soon the servers will reach their stabilization point. The Co-RPG folks will have consolidated with the transitory MMOers who have taken a vacation from large populations, to form the tiny core of this game.
Makeb will come out, which will provide a small spike. If there is no other SW game out when the new movies hit they will get some fleeting pop from that too.
The problem is that the game is fundamentally flawed. No one who is looking for an actual guild/MMO/world experience could be happy with tis game.
The IP and the niche casual/soloer pop are the only thing keeping SWTOR going. Good thing for them, this population strata seems to be growing. The experiment is a success! You can make a shit game with ego stroking for soloers (8 SToRiEs WOW!) and a recognizable IP and stay in business.
Somehow a good chunk of the thread seems to be devoted to a STO vs. SWTOR discussion.
Neither met expectations when launched. Both went to a Freemium system. One started smallish and is now slowly growing, one started huge and is still shrinking. One release content faster then the other. How fun this content is is a matter of personal prefrence. (Although one has space combat and one does not.)
To the main point of the thread; it seems 1.8/2.o on the PTS has stopped the population drop at least for now. When I say stop, it hasn't really recaptured numbers in the way many people were implying.
Oddly the Europan servers, only the German ones are growing. On the US, 2 servers are growing, one PVE and one PVP. The APAC servers are dissmal.
As to SWTOR's FTP competition, it seems Terra and POE, although still large in population size, have peaked.
Speculative: Although Makeb will draw in many subbers, it will cause further churn to the FTP population. This won't speak to profitability, but it will highlight the niche aspect of SWTOR's gaming population.
Just a suggestion, if you don't particulairly like threads llike this, just don't read them.
The latest patch change will now be that commendations will be weekly capped. Whoa, good move EA, great job revealing how you desperately want to extend your customers playtime!
It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
everybody have their own taste
both games still have bugs,,but STO is the innovative of those two
i dont know about sub numbers, but i think STO staff are more safe than SWTOR
and STO have added a lot of new stuff lately,,space walks, a new zone
and ..oh yea,,STO have REAL SPACE COMBAT
NOT a small mini game
and RIFT? i woud be surprised if they have more than 300k
TOR's bugs are no where near the problem that STO's are. Not even close.Every game has its bugs but when it becomes a problem is when they are so frequent that they burden the gameplay. If I was to guess the number of players in STO it wouldn't even be close to 100k. The game is dead every time I pop in. The space combat in STO is good but the ground combat sucks. Every planet and building looks the same and the combat is jerky and slow response.
And not that innovation matters more than fun, but what is so innovative about STO? The best part of it which is space was ripped off from Starfeel Command.
okay,,a bugged class story boss is more serious , than some rubberbanding
and if it is dead,,why do you keep playing it?
innovative? lets see,,ground combat,,the fact , that i have 4 customizable BOs with me,,swtor can handle one
semi customizable
the random cluster missions,,also a new concept,still not working perfect
but hey,,lets talk again, when swtor is 3 years old
seeing what they did for STO anniversery,,,would they really do that if the game was dying
no,,now they have finally reached the point, they should have started at
I don't know since when it was ok when devs make a statement 'after working for 2 to 3 years we are releasing a bare bone MMO and would love to have feedback from players to expand it further".
That is biggest bull i have ever read really. And someone is actually giving a Cryptic free pass on this just to spite on SWTOR? amazing.
Look at his avatar. Anyone that loves SOE can over look anything. I enjoy TOR, but I don't go out of my way to make a sales pitch about how great Bioware is and overlook the faults in the game. That type of behavior just seems odd to me.
Bioware > SOE Blizzard > SOE TRION > SOE ArenaNet > SOE SOE = Crap
Welcome to the club!
Personally I liked Bioware, but they no longer exist and are just a division of EA, and the Doctors left to escape the disaster called SWTOR. Any games relesed now under Bioware will probably just be average, whereas when they were in full control and did not have EA/LA/Dallas Dickinson breathing down their necks, they were above average. It was Dallas Dickinson that encouraged the NGE, and it was Dallas Dickinson that made devs cut a lot of out of SWTOR and made them cry and made the game so shallow that me and many others do not like it. Dallas Dickinson is the one who ruined both SWG and SWTOR, not SOE or Bioware.
Somehow a good chunk of the thread seems to be devoted to a STO vs. SWTOR discussion.
Neither met expectations when launched. Both went to a Freemium system. One started smallish and is now slowly growing, one started huge and is still shrinking. One release content faster then the other. How fun this content is is a matter of personal prefrence. (Although one has space combat and one does not.)
To the main point of the thread; it seems 1.8/2.o on the PTS has stopped the population drop at least for now. When I say stop, it hasn't really recaptured numbers in the way many people were implying.
Oddly the Europan servers, only the German ones are growing. On the US, 2 servers are growing, one PVE and one PVP. The APAC servers are dissmal.
As to SWTOR's FTP competition, it seems Terra and POE, although still large in population size, have peaked.
Speculative: Although Makeb will draw in many subbers, it will cause further churn to the FTP population. This won't speak to profitability, but it will highlight the niche aspect of SWTOR's gaming population.
Just a suggestion, if you don't particulairly like threads llike this, just don't read them.
Is that what we are calling the MMOS which release with minimal content and heavy instanced world these days? 'smallish' ? not to mention all the BS they give you before release and end product is nothing like what devs said it would be?
And ofcourse Star Trek has space combat. It would be hard to imagine Star Trek without space.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Is that what we are calling the MMOS which release with minimal content and heavy instanced world these days? 'smallish' ? not to mention all the BS they give you before release and end product is nothing like what devs said it would be?
And ofcourse Star Trek has space combat. It would be hard to imagine Star Trek without space.
At first I wasn't sure if you were talking about Star Trek or Star Wars.
I used the term smallish in direct comparison, one was in development for 6 years+ at Bioware, one for - 2 years at Cryptic.
One had a SUperbowl Ad and one was sponsored by Del Taco.
I do agree though, that any game with the word Star in it would probably be better served with having space combat then not having it. Even the Space Marines have starships.
All that aside, STO vs. ToR are in similar boats, but that doesn't speak directly as to the health of ToR's server populations.
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It's not too hard to figure out what I'm paying for. Five minutes of playing STO is always a good reminder of how inferior that game is and how badly it is lacking. They can't even get one server going that isn't a bug fested nightmare. The only reason I pop in there from time to time is to get my Star Trek fix. I can neverr make it more than a couple of hours because the missions for the most part are incredibly dull and the performance sucks. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, but for me it can't even hold Rift's jock strap let alone TOR's.
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everybody have their own taste
both games still have bugs,,but STO is the innovative of those two
i dont know about sub numbers, but i think STO staff are more safe than SWTOR
and STO have added a lot of new stuff lately,,space walks, a new zone
and ..oh yea,,STO have REAL SPACE COMBAT
NOT a small mini game
and RIFT? i woud be surprised if they have more than 300k
What people are paying for in SWTOR is NOTHING. IT is to pay for the stuff that has already been developed. It is like paying a monthly fee to Mass Effect 3. All single player games are better constructed than MMOs. I always thought that KOTOR was a better made game than SWG, but KOTOR is just a great limited play time game, and TOR is no different, but burdened with an unecessary monthly fee.
"A washed up actrees"? Really? You have to insult others now too? At least they trying
Makeb is older than Season 7
STO is not meant to be huge, it is only meant to be a niche game, so it can handle the small playerbase.
When STO launched they said that it would be a bare bones MMO, and they look forward to getting players feedback to shape and progress the game, and they have not failed yet. They did do it and they are still doing it. They care more about the game than EA does for SWTOR, who only care about the $$$. STO gets improvements every day, and more update more features, and more advancements whereas SWTOR is what it is, and mostly will be what it is for the rest of its life, because the game flopped and they are not pouring any more money into it. They said in 2008 they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which they do not now. If they had, they would pouring it into the game.
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They said that? where and when? so you are telling us that the lynching that Crytpic took from angry ST fans and MMO players in general at release (which puts SWTOR bashign to shame by the way) was just lack of information on part of the players? and Cryptic has always ben honest and stated hat they are releasing a bare bone MMO? wow....lol!
People sure love to make up stuff as they go around here to win an argument.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
It is not made up, It is in one of my magazines with an interview with the devs
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Sorry if i don't believe you. Mind posting a link here or something? i bet they would make such an important annoucement at more than one venue considering the shit storm that started when STO released which led to its downfall and hence F2P conversion. bare bone MMO release doesn't cover all the broken content, bugs, exploits and other zillion problems at release though (stuck in space dock...nightmare which still exists after so many years).
Not to mention the biggest reason why it got so much hate.. the heavily instanced and boxed in world of STO with hilariously small maps. By expanding they meant adding more instances on top of the existing ones?
it is in my magazine..how convenient.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
TOR's bugs are no where near the problem that STO's are. Not even close.Every game has its bugs but when it becomes a problem is when they are so frequent that they burden the gameplay. If I was to guess the number of players in STO it wouldn't even be close to 100k. The game is dead every time I pop in. The space combat in STO is good but the ground combat sucks. Every planet and building looks the same and the combat is jerky and slow response.
And not that innovation matters more than fun, but what is so innovative about STO? The best part of it which is space was ripped off from Starfeel Command.
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The only time I remember a comment like that was a few months before launch when it became known that the Klingon faction was going to be gimped compared to the Fedederation. No mission chain of story content . To level you had to do repetitive zones and PVP. After the rain of shitstorm hit a dev popped up and said that Klingons would be getting more in the future. They're still waiting.
By the way, this was all after they had been telling everybody how it was going to be no problem releasing an MMO after only two years development time. Probably the biggest lie of them all.
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It makes no difference, the proof is in the progrress. People just wanted a full game at release and not have to pay for it while they make it more of a complete game, that is why it got the lynching.
It is why SWTOR failed too, but as it is more of a complete game at launch, and the subs plumetted from 2 mill to 500K and went F2P faster than STO did, and was a MMO intended to be P2P for a very long long time, like WOW, then they are mot willing to put more money into it, advancing it along as intended. If people never quit SWTOR and trusted EA/BW for at least a year, they may have had enough money to move it along quite nicely.
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I don't know since when it was ok when devs make a statement 'after working for 2 to 3 years we are releasing a bare bone MMO and would love to have feedback from players to expand it further".
That is biggest bull i have ever read really. And someone is actually giving a Cryptic free pass on this just to spite on SWTOR? amazing.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
No it makes all the difference because i hate it when people sping things by making up their own stuff. I like to deal in relevant and factual information and since you cant come up with any relevant source of info to share with us other than 'your' magazine, you just made it very easy for me to shrug aside anything you say regarding STO's past as well as present.
And who can forget infamous skill cap changes to STO? Cryptic has done alot more than just to release a bare bone MMO to piss off the players.
Also i find it ironic that you are ok with Cryptic releasing bare bone MMO and yet you bash on SWTOR every single day. And sorry but no other MMO crashed and burned as fast as STO on release..well maybe Warhammer and AOC.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Look at his avatar. Anyone that loves SOE can over look anything. I enjoy TOR, but I don't go out of my way to make a sales pitch about how great Bioware is and overlook the faults in the game. That type of behavior just seems odd to me.
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Whatever, I do not care if you believe me or not, prety much expected if there is no link. If you are not going to like what I say then you are going to try and discredit itmbut you seem to be making a mole hill out of a mountain with it. At the end of the day I do not post stuff that is made up as it just a waste of time. I could dig it out and scan take a photo but it is not worth it. If I do end up going to the trouble and you see it, no doubt you will try and spin it to your favour again.
I do not have an issue with a bare bone MMO, as the devs can create the game for the fans and desires, SWTOR is created by what EA/BW think the fans want. SWTOR just took off and went high and then crash landed, and is going no where. STO took off low, and slowly moving along but onwards and upwards. Either the engine for SWTOR can not add many varied features or they are not willing to improve the game any more, as needs millions of dollars they are not willing to spend any more on the game. STO has a future, but SWTOR does not.
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I am not biased or have any agenda against any MMOS. But it doesn't take a genius to see that you are using Crytpic's shoulder to fire your gun at Bioware.For me Cryptic is worse than Bioware ever will be.
Here is 4 part webcast to prove how Crytpic really knows how to fool their player base.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=netVYbeaiDo
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Bioware have said it would not be another SWG, but they did say they had enough content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond, which all seems to have been scrapped now, and not coming in.
SWTORs failure is the huge sub loss, and not getting the 10 millions of subs they were aiming for. They just do not have the money to make SWTOR into the MMO they visioned. They saw the success of F2P as well in other companies, and decide to make it F2P, but it is so convoluted it does not attract people to play the game as F2P. They seem to just copy what other companies do, and it all fails as they do not understand the way other companies do it.
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I am pretty sure Bioware will keep releasing content. it is hard to believe that SWTOR will be similar in say next 2 years with no content updates. Unless it is dead in waters like Vangaurd i really doubt that no new content will release in future.
And since we are talking about failures here what was STO? that is why like i said earlier that your whole 'Crytpic released bare bone MMO but it is all right but SWTOR is a failure' reeks of irony.
Cryptic are the biggest spin masters in MMO world only second to Funcom and Mythic (RIP). And if you watched those webcasts i posted in last reply you would know that by now.
It is like arguing who is worse director Uwe Boll or Michael Bay.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
His comment of TOR lacking content is also ironic when you consider that the game has 8 unique class stories, each world has a story quest line along with many side quests, flashpoints,operations and even different warzones for PVP. That is a LOT of content that covers both factions in the game.I've been playing it a lot since release and still have five classes to go that will take me a long time to complete.
STO on the other hand has only ONE faction quest line and that is it unless you want to go scan anomaly or do repeatable zones. Oh and of course the Foundry, which is a bunch of horribly done fan content. And the quest line for the Federation is SO dull.That is all you get no matter what ship type or class you play you'll be playing the same thing over and over again. Even the added cinematics(which are horribly done) can't help it. This is all on top of the fact that the game runs like crap.There's a reason why very few people play it anymore. It just isn't that good.
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At some point soon the servers will reach their stabilization point. The Co-RPG folks will have consolidated with the transitory MMOers who have taken a vacation from large populations, to form the tiny core of this game.
Makeb will come out, which will provide a small spike. If there is no other SW game out when the new movies hit they will get some fleeting pop from that too.
The problem is that the game is fundamentally flawed. No one who is looking for an actual guild/MMO/world experience could be happy with tis game.
The IP and the niche casual/soloer pop are the only thing keeping SWTOR going. Good thing for them, this population strata seems to be growing. The experiment is a success! You can make a shit game with ego stroking for soloers (8 SToRiEs WOW!) and a recognizable IP and stay in business.
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Somehow a good chunk of the thread seems to be devoted to a STO vs. SWTOR discussion.
Neither met expectations when launched. Both went to a Freemium system. One started smallish and is now slowly growing, one started huge and is still shrinking. One release content faster then the other. How fun this content is is a matter of personal prefrence. (Although one has space combat and one does not.)
To the main point of the thread; it seems 1.8/2.o on the PTS has stopped the population drop at least for now. When I say stop, it hasn't really recaptured numbers in the way many people were implying.
Oddly the Europan servers, only the German ones are growing. On the US, 2 servers are growing, one PVE and one PVP. The APAC servers are dissmal.
As to SWTOR's FTP competition, it seems Terra and POE, although still large in population size, have peaked.
Speculative: Although Makeb will draw in many subbers, it will cause further churn to the FTP population. This won't speak to profitability, but it will highlight the niche aspect of SWTOR's gaming population.
Just a suggestion, if you don't particulairly like threads llike this, just don't read them.
The latest patch change will now be that commendations will be weekly capped. Whoa, good move EA, great job revealing how you desperately want to extend your customers playtime!
Game Update 2.0: Currency System
http://www.darthhater.com/articles/feature/23297-game-update-2-0-currency-system
I liked being able to play when I wanted to, how I wanted to .. now every commendation will become capped "weeklies".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
okay,,a bugged class story boss is more serious , than some rubberbanding
and if it is dead,,why do you keep playing it?
innovative? lets see,,ground combat,,the fact , that i have 4 customizable BOs with me,,swtor can handle one
semi customizable
the random cluster missions,,also a new concept,still not working perfect
but hey,,lets talk again, when swtor is 3 years old
seeing what they did for STO anniversery,,,would they really do that if the game was dying
no,,now they have finally reached the point, they should have started at
it only took 3 years,,but better late, than never
Bioware > SOE
Blizzard > SOE
TRION > SOE
ArenaNet > SOE
SOE = Crap
Welcome to the club!
Personally I liked Bioware, but they no longer exist and are just a division of EA, and the Doctors left to escape the disaster called SWTOR. Any games relesed now under Bioware will probably just be average, whereas when they were in full control and did not have EA/LA/Dallas Dickinson breathing down their necks, they were above average. It was Dallas Dickinson that encouraged the NGE, and it was Dallas Dickinson that made devs cut a lot of out of SWTOR and made them cry and made the game so shallow that me and many others do not like it. Dallas Dickinson is the one who ruined both SWG and SWTOR, not SOE or Bioware.
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Is that what we are calling the MMOS which release with minimal content and heavy instanced world these days? 'smallish' ? not to mention all the BS they give you before release and end product is nothing like what devs said it would be?
And ofcourse Star Trek has space combat. It would be hard to imagine Star Trek without space.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
At first I wasn't sure if you were talking about Star Trek or Star Wars.
I used the term smallish in direct comparison, one was in development for 6 years+ at Bioware, one for - 2 years at Cryptic.
One had a SUperbowl Ad and one was sponsored by Del Taco.
I do agree though, that any game with the word Star in it would probably be better served with having space combat then not having it. Even the Space Marines have starships.
All that aside, STO vs. ToR are in similar boats, but that doesn't speak directly as to the health of ToR's server populations.