It is NOT more far superior it cant compete to everyquest2, wow is a mess eq2 not, clean up things in wow and add the honor/battle/hero/+ put graphics on highest then it may be superior a small bit but at the very moment wow is equal to trash. im very sure about this, servers r crap, queuee is crap, updates r slow and crap. Understand?
Originally posted by Asmodeus_ It is NOT more far superior it cant compete to everyquest2, wow is a mess eq2 not, clean up things in wow and add the honor/battle/hero/+ put graphics on highest then it may be superior a small bit but at the very moment wow is equal to trash. im very sure about this, servers r crap, queuee is crap, updates r slow and crap. Understand?
Originally posted by Thoom Originally posted by Kendal It is not my first MMORPG. And not only have I been gaming since Pong, I am a CG Illustrator, Level Designer, and obvious gamer...my opinions on the subject hold water. I've done lots of research, and have played many MMOs. I am new to WoW, and I think everything from the graphics, to the mechanics are silky smooth. I have a lower end system, and it runs great when I turn down the view distance. Also, I play in a high population server, and rarely EVER have to wait to play--and the lag is actully not a problem at all. --KendalDude the Atari 2600 came out in 1977, Pong game unit by itself through Sears in 75'. Wow what a super baby you must have been playing pong. Your age says 28.
actually Pong came out in 1966. I know because my mom owned one (she still has it). So you technically have to be about 40 lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Heres the Problem with WoW. its EVERWOWQUEST. instead of good graphics like eq2 it has cartoon graphics. you do the same thing. EQ2 and WoW are so similiar its not even funny. you cant tell me you log onto WoW and quest and thats different than if you log onto EQ2 and quest. becuase it isnt. Fantasy games are the same, so there is no "best" mmorpg. i have yet to see a really good well polished fantasy game, becuase they just arent out there. WoW has a bad PvP system, a bad mail system, no housing in a game that needs it. Rock paper scissors PvP. all the quests are the same except for a few important ones that take you too instances.
Fantasy MMORPGS are just not at the level they need to be yet. WoW will probably reach that level in a few years, but by then they will have much better fantasy games out there, and they will leave WoW behind. all of the mmorpg "noobs" will move on to a newer bigger badder title.
I would go as far as to say WoW is inferior to EQ2, and that EQ2 is the best mmorpg out there, even though i havent played EQ2. you know why i see EQ2 as better? content. it came out earlier, and still has more content that WoW.
Originally posted by jackman11118 I would go as far as to say WoW is inferior to EQ2, and that EQ2 is the best mmorpg out there, even though i havent played EQ2. you know why i see EQ2 as better? content. it came out earlier, and still has more content that WoW.
Spend 89 hours playing EQ2, then come back and update us.
World of Warcraft is alot of things. Im a die hard WoW fanatic. But Ill give you my most basic opinions about this game:
What WoW is: + Hillarious + Casual + Hell bent on balance + Extremely detailed
What WoW isnt: - Licensed with the Unreal Engine - Hell bent serious (etc EQ2) - The revolution of MMO's - D&D semi-ripoff
Ive played MMO's for the last 10 years. WoW has humor, a VERY unique graphical style and design concept that follows every single detail of the world. It has its very own lore and atmosphere that's been told in the previous games. It feels very 'real'. Everything fits into a greater plot and their is always some book lying around that has some background information about the quests you do.
Blizzard loves to balance their games, WoW included. They tend to balance it to much thou. For example for some reasona mage cant wear plate armor, which seem riddiculously illogical to me (you should be able to, but it will hinder your spellcasting). Some older games did much better in that aspect. (etc AC1 were you could create completely free-form characters and wear whatever kind of armor you wanted).
To sum it up. WoW isnt a flawless MMO. All MMOs have flaws, some are downright inplayable. WoW is the most playable and well done MMO Ive played so far.
To me this game is good for how long its been out. In daoc player housing wasnt in the game until after 2 years after release. I do not know what people expect in the leveling. I do like wow quests then ao, daoc or eq. Mmpg like installing more content on the demand from the client base. When the majority starts complaining not haveing housing and how rad it would be with it. I bet they would start thinking of it. This game besides the monster release and dealing with the large client base. It is a job keeping up with it. This game is what 5 months old?. They have started getting way better with the lag and logon in ques. I work 40 to 50 hours a week and my highest lvl char is 35. With few late 20ish. This game was suppose to be for the casual player not the no job living with parents and have 12 hours a day to play. If you hit 60 within in 2 to 3 months then your pushing it to hard or to much time on your hands and playing the game. My goal from release was not to hit 60, but try out all the classes and get my crafting skills done. I knew with out battlegrounds hitting 60 would get me bored to hell. I am pacing my self. So far I have 35, 33, 31, 28 and a 21. Since battlegrounds sounds like it is closer. I will stay with my 35 tauren druid until 60. Between all my alts I was lucky and have enough for 1 char to get his mount . With such a large client base. There will be more and more who dont like it and more and more that do like it. It is all about the #.
I wanted to post a lengthy reply but as I read through what people say I think the answere is pretty much there. WoW may not the best ever MMORPG, but it is best as of today, not becuase its revolutionary or anything, no, it didnt introduce anything new or innovative. What it did is learn from mistakes of other MMORPGS, dumped them and you see the result - an ordinary MMORPG without any major flaws in its core. Thats all it is. Its simple yet complicated, its intriguing and addictive, mysterious and fun. And it will stay that way untill a new MMORPG comes out and that new MMORPG will have all the traits from WoW plus some innovative and revolutionary idea (and im not talking about techincal side like graphics, because graphics isnt everything, its all about gameplay).
No, WoW isn't the perfect game, but its good enough. It gets you involved right as a newb instead of having to level level level before anything fun happens. Pretty much everyone I know either likes EQ 2 and hates WoW, or the other way around. They're just different games. Not every game is made for everybody. I think WoW has a sense of humor. Will it last? I don't know. It'll do for now until new things come out to take its place. Aren't all these games just about killing time until the next big thing comes out? I bet even when a game totally gets it right that people will still find something to whine about though or go to other forums and others will go fanboi how their game is the best and la, not listening to anything negative about their game. Its just the way it is.
--Ha, Pwned-- Pvp = godliness Playing: WoW Waiting on: Gods and Heroes
Originally posted by stormfrog World of Warcraft is alot of things. Im a die hard WoW fanatic. But Ill give you my most basic opinions about this game: What WoW is: + Hillarious + Casual + Hell bent on balance + Extremely detailed What WoW isnt: - Licensed with the Unreal Engine - Hell bent serious (etc EQ2) - The revolution of MMO's - D&D semi-ripoff Ive played MMO's for the last 10 years. WoW has humor, a VERY unique graphical style and design concept that follows every single detail of the world. It has its very own lore and atmosphere that's been told in the previous games. It feels very 'real'. Everything fits into a greater plot and their is always some book lying around that has some background information about the quests you do. Blizzard loves to balance their games, WoW included. They tend to balance it to much thou. For example for some reasona mage cant wear plate armor, which seem riddiculously illogical to me (you should be able to, but it will hinder your spellcasting). Some older games did much better in that aspect. (etc AC1 were you could create completely free-form characters and wear whatever kind of armor you wanted). To sum it up. WoW isnt a flawless MMO. All MMOs have flaws, some are downright inplayable. WoW is the most playable and well done MMO Ive played so far.
Hell bent on Class balance I assume you mean cause the horde are outnumbered on every server. How did they balance that?
Originally posted by jackman11118 Heres the Problem with WoW. its EVERWOWQUEST. instead of good graphics like eq2 it has cartoon graphics. you do the same thing. EQ2 and WoW are so similiar its not even funny. you cant tell me you log onto WoW and quest and thats different than if you log onto EQ2 and quest. becuase it isnt. Fantasy games are the same, so there is no "best" mmorpg. i have yet to see a really good well polished fantasy game, becuase they just arent out there. WoW has a bad PvP system, a bad mail system, no housing in a game that needs it. Rock paper scissors PvP. all the quests are the same except for a few important ones that take you too instances. Fantasy MMORPGS are just not at the level they need to be yet. WoW will probably reach that level in a few years, but by then they will have much better fantasy games out there, and they will leave WoW behind. all of the mmorpg "noobs" will move on to a newer bigger badder title. I would go as far as to say WoW is inferior to EQ2, and that EQ2 is the best mmorpg out there, even though i havent played EQ2. you know why i see EQ2 as better? content. it came out earlier, and still has more content that WoW.
This is a masked attempted passive aggressive troll post.. go back to eq2 posting area and leave us people who like to play a fun game to it....
I too have been playing games since the first home version of the tank combat game (my dad bought one when I was in Kindegarden), and have played a numerous MMORPGs, starting with EQ1. No MMORPG has ever held my attention for more than about 5 or 6 months, and WoW was no exception. However, WoW is still easilly one of the best MMOPRGs I've ever played. There are other games that do individual things better than WoW. But there isn't anything out there that is as polished overall. The review that just went up summarizes the game pretty well, imo.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Yeah, WoW is a pretty good game. I enjoyed it for most of the time I've played since beta. It started to lose its magic a couple weeks ago for me though. I'm sure I'll check it out again in another 6 months or a year to see how it's doing. For me some games are great fun but for only a limited time. Other games could be a little less fun, but hold my interest for much longer for one reason or another. WoW just happened to fall into the short lived very fun category for me. I just got into EQ2 now and am enjoying it so far. I'm getting the sense that it'll hold me for longer than WoW did. This doesn't mean it's a better or worse game than WoW. They're different games, both with good and bad points.
WoW is a decent game, no question. But I am SOOOO getting sick of all this fanboy rubbish repeated over and over again where ever you look. Even the MMORPG.com review seems like been written by a fanboy. How on earth could he give that game a 8 conceirning Roleplay? NFC! And Graphics...sure they are nice and can be run on a slow machine, but hey - lets be honest: The Capabilities provided by the engine were probably outdated when they first started to code the game 3 years ago....There is, imho, no gaming engine out there that does not have some kind of flaw (EQ2 too slow on most computers, WoW too "simple") - so wtf 10 for graphics?!?!?!? Hello Character-Customisation?! I wouldnt call being able to select a race, gender and then from a set of maybe 6 faces and 6 hairstyles "character-customization...If it was to support the overall performance of the game...but once you have more then 20 people in one area it gets laggy anyway.. And look at the character animations - there is almost no choreography when u cast a spell or use melee styles. Thats so poor compared to other games. And again, I am not saying that WoW isn't a good game, but are you guys getting payed for hyping it even 6 months after release. Doesnt it piss you off, that the whole end game is nothing but vapour so far. The Honour System was announced pre release and hasnt been implemented yet. A friend of mine had is toon cap lvl within 9 days (was on holidays, but still...). Ah well...
Originally posted by Lasastard WoW is a decent game, no question. But I am SOOOO getting sick of all this fanboy rubbish repeated over and over again where ever you look. Even the MMORPG.com review seems like been written by a fanboy. How on earth could he give that game a 8 conceirning Roleplay? NFC! And Graphics...sure they are nice and can be run on a slow machine, but hey - lets be honest: The Capabilities provided by the engine were probably outdated when they first started to code the game 3 years ago....There is, imho, no gaming engine out there that does not have some kind of flaw (EQ2 too slow on most computers, WoW too "simple") - so wtf 10 for graphics?!?!?!? Hello Character-Customisation?! I wouldnt call being able to select a race, gender and then from a set of maybe 6 faces and 6 hairstyles "character-customization...If it was to support the overall performance of the game...but once you have more then 20 people in one area it gets laggy anyway.. And look at the character animations - there is almost no choreography when u cast a spell or use melee styles. Thats so poor compared to other games. And again, I am not saying that WoW isn't a good game, but are you guys getting payed for hyping it even 6 months after release. Doesnt it piss you off, that the whole end game is nothing but vapour so far. The Honour System was announced pre release and hasnt been implemented yet. A friend of mine had is toon cap lvl within 9 days (was on holidays, but still...). Ah well...
i agree with the Reviewer. WoW graphicss rocks and are actually a brilliant example you DO NOT need a super computer or a 3d millions of polygons engien to make GOOD graphics. You know? people were making good painting with brushes and pencils and making 3d stuff with stone..... the fact we can now do it with super lighting effects DO NOT remove the fact those are masterpieces.
WoW has ART. and beautiful art at that. I sincerely could not care less if the engine it runs do not have gazillions of polygons if the result is WoW. I'm serious.
Second, character customization. True, there isn't much variety in faces, hairstyles and what not... but how many times have you stopped to notice the face (that you can barely see), the eyes (that you can't see at all) or the hairs (maybe the most visible detail) in any other mmorpg? I tell you. never. why? cause most of there features are covered by various layers of clothing and guess what? THERE lays WoW variety in character customizations. the amount of items and all the various sets, different styles and things available is quite quite high. In all my carrier i encountered 2 items with same graphics out of ... mah? hundreds? i found.
No coreography in spells? ah ha! ever cast a tranquillity? again it doesn't have a tons of flashy strange colours on screen and it do not take years to display. it is simple and... beautiful.
But i suppose it is taste related. i just wonder how come it seems 99% of all reviewers agree with me that the graphics is top notch, is good to be me and have same taste as all this other people right?
EQ2 and WoW: they ARE similar games. on the surface. if you read the features on both boxes, you could think they do are similar. Play them both and you realize they aren't. Not very. I did. now i am playing WoW and i will leave it at that as i do not want to enter any polemic with anybody here concerning EQ2.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I kind of agree with Lasastard as to people not knowing how to rate games. Yes the graphics in WoW have good art, but a 10? A 10 to me means perfect or near perfect in all manners. Ok, so Art-wise WoW should get a 9 or 10, but custimization I'd give it a 6, animation would get maybe a 7 from me, and technical would get maybe a 6. Hmm, so considering graphics in its entirety I would rate WoW as around 7 for graphics. 7 is still a good score and nothing to be ashamed of.
Sound they gave a 9. Again I'd say there are many parts to sound. There's music, there's spell effects, environment sounds, etc. I think WoW did pretty good here for the most part. I do like the music in the game and how it changes with different areas. Although this is done in plenty of other games, so being about average compared to other games I'd give music a 6. The spell sound effects in WoW or mediocre, many spells sharing the same sounds, BUT there is Sheep sound.. too dang funny, for that I have to give spell sounds an 8. Environment.. well there isn't a whole lot. There's the footsteps, swimming, fire... Eh, that's all in many other games as well, but to be generous I'll say environment would get a 7. So sound in its entirety would get around a 7 from me.
Roleplaying of 8? Uh.. what roleplaying? I've seen much more roleplaying in other games, mainly because I don't think I saw ANY roleplaying in WoW. Maybe on the roleplaying server there is some, but I bet even there you won't find much. No clue how you could give WoW an 8 for Roleplaying, I'd say a 3 would be optimistic.
Value they gave an 8. I've never been too sure what value fully entails. To me when I see value in MMORPG ratings I think about it's monetary costs compared to the overall enjoyment I get out of the game compared to other games. So lets see, $50 + $15/month (this is on the high side compared to all the others out there now) for a game that I found to be lots of fun at first, and only minorly fun near the end. So the cost is on the high end which would lower the value score, but I did enjoy the game more than some of the other MMORPGs out there so that would raise it back up some. I'll give it an 8 as well for value.
Fun got a 10. Again, 10 being perfect or near perfect. Boy I don't know that my overall fun in WoW was perfect or near perfect. Sure in the beginning when everything was fresh and new I had a blast, but even with crummy games you tend to have a great time at first until you realize how crummy they are. Luckily I never thought WoW was crummy, but I DID have various moments of frustration, dissapointment, boredom, etc. Near the end I found myself having more fun reading forums or playing other games than I did playing WoW. To be generous I'll say 8 for fun.
They gave community a 9. Boy, they really liked the community. Community to me would be not only your close friends and guild, but also everyone else you come across when you're hanging around a city or looking for pick-up groups. Ok, so when it came to friends I'd of course say a 10. Guild? Well guilds are usually pretty good, but with how the content in this game is you're usually interacting with only a couple people besides the occasional guild chatter. If you're not level 60 you have no interaction with all the other level 60s in the guild unless you're level 58-59.... MAYBE. Outside the guild? Blech! Constant swearing and arguments about stupid things going on in /yell and /general channels. You ask a question and if anyone answers it's more than likely along the lines of, "ha! jo0 n3VVb!" You try your best for a couple hours to find a group and end up with a warrior that spends all his time running to the nearest chest, a priest that only uses shield and constantly tries to smite the mob that the mage constantly tries to re-sheep. Then when your party dies everyone points fingers and finally disbands. So uh... how's that get a 9? I'd give the WoW community a 4 at maximum.
Perf/lag got a 7. Well being that the graphics are so simple I'd expect to rarely get poor performance. For the most part the performance IS pretty good. Except on PvP servers when people actually try to have battles. Then performance takes a nose dive. Granted, this will happen with any other game so I guess I'd consider that average. Performance I'll go with 7. Then there's lag. I don't know what the deal is with lag and WoW. Some people never got lag, some people were always lagging and getting dropped. I've never had a problem with lag in other games, but in WoW I was almost always yellow and often hitting red with the occaisonal drop. WoW gets a big thumbs down from me in this respect. Then you throw in all the unexpected server crashes, loot lag, bank lag, the abysmal patch download speeds.. Yeah, I think WoW bit the big one in this category. Overall I guess I'd give Perf/lag a 6.
Cust. Service got a 4. I think that's pretty fair, although a bit optimistic in my opinion. CS in other MMORPGs has never been overly good, but WoW is definitely at the bottom of the barrel here. Have a problem? It'll get handled in a few hours or the next day if ever. I hate to give terribly low scores so I'll leave CS with a 4.
So of course reviews are all about opinions. But there are good opinions that are actually thought out and justified, then there are stupid opinions based on absolutely nothing and only serve to bloat a review score. I like/liked WoW and think it's a good product over all. I'm sure I'll give it another shot in 6 months to a year. It's always fun to check out games that I enjoyed in the past to see how things have changed. I feel I'm a fairly reasonable and rational guy and that I don't make radical opinions and observations. So lets see my round up of scores..
Graphics - 7
Sound - 7
Roleplaying - 3
Value - 8
Fun - 8
Community - 4
Perf/lag - 6
Cust. Service - 4
Total score of... ouch, 5.9!
hehe, see now I didn't expect that. I mean, I liked WoW, and if someone were to ask me, "On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate WoW?" I would probably have answered, "Ohh, maybe a low 8." But when you break it down and honestly try and rate each section look how low the score can get! So me thinking that I'm a fairly average guy, with no specific predjudices towards one game or another, I'd expect there to be some people rating lower than me, some people rating similar to me, and finally some people rating higher than me. I'd expect that the average rating here would be fairly close to me, maybe a bit higher simply because I had more trouble with lag than some may have. But you look at the score on this site from users, and it's 8.6. That tells me that people out there aren't actually using their brains to make ratings but simply clicking 10s left and right. Even if purposely bloat my scores way beyond belief by adding 2 to each of my ratings it'd still come out as only 7.9! From a person that likes WoW! I'm starting to think that a person should have to actually write up a review like above stating why they rate items the way they do for it to count. I'd love to see how people are justifying giving a bunch of 10s, which must be going on to rate at 8.6.
Originally posted by sschrupp I kind of agree with Lasastard as to people not knowing how to rate games. Yes the graphics in WoW have good art, but a 10? A 10 to me means perfect or near perfect in all manners. Ok, so Art-wise WoW should get a 9 or 10, but custimization I'd give it a 6, animation would get maybe a 7 from me, and technical would get maybe a 6. Hmm, so considering graphics in its entirety I would rate WoW as around 7 for graphics. 7 is still a good score and nothing to be ashamed of. Sound they gave a 9. Again I'd say there are many parts to sound. There's music, there's spell effects, environment sounds, etc. I think WoW did pretty good here for the most part. I do like the music in the game and how it changes with different areas. Although this is done in plenty of other games, so being about average compared to other games I'd give music a 6. The spell sound effects in WoW or mediocre, many spells sharing the same sounds, BUT there is Sheep sound.. too dang funny, for that I have to give spell sounds an 8. Environment.. well there isn't a whole lot. There's the footsteps, swimming, fire... Eh, that's all in many other games as well, but to be generous I'll say environment would get a 7. So sound in its entirety would get around a 7 from me. Roleplaying of 8? Uh.. what roleplaying? I've seen much more roleplaying in other games, mainly because I don't think I saw ANY roleplaying in WoW. Maybe on the roleplaying server there is some, but I bet even there you won't find much. No clue how you could give WoW an 8 for Roleplaying, I'd say a 3 would be optimistic. Value they gave an 8. I've never been too sure what value fully entails. To me when I see value in MMORPG ratings I think about it's monetary costs compared to the overall enjoyment I get out of the game compared to other games. So lets see, $50 + $15/month (this is on the high side compared to all the others out there now) for a game that I found to be lots of fun at first, and only minorly fun near the end. So the cost is on the high end which would lower the value score, but I did enjoy the game more than some of the other MMORPGs out there so that would raise it back up some. I'll give it an 8 as well for value. Fun got a 10. Again, 10 being perfect or near perfect. Boy I don't know that my overall fun in WoW was perfect or near perfect. Sure in the beginning when everything was fresh and new I had a blast, but even with crummy games you tend to have a great time at first until you realize how crummy they are. Luckily I never thought WoW was crummy, but I DID have various moments of frustration, dissapointment, boredom, etc. Near the end I found myself having more fun reading forums or playing other games than I did playing WoW. To be generous I'll say 8 for fun. They gave community a 9. Boy, they really liked the community. Community to me would be not only your close friends and guild, but also everyone else you come across when you're hanging around a city or looking for pick-up groups. Ok, so when it came to friends I'd of course say a 10. Guild? Well guilds are usually pretty good, but with how the content in this game is you're usually interacting with only a couple people besides the occasional guild chatter. If you're not level 60 you have no interaction with all the other level 60s in the guild unless you're level 58-59.... MAYBE. Outside the guild? Blech! Constant swearing and arguments about stupid things going on in /yell and /general channels. You ask a question and if anyone answers it's more than likely along the lines of, "ha! jo0 n3VVb!" You try your best for a couple hours to find a group and end up with a warrior that spends all his time running to the nearest chest, a priest that only uses shield and constantly tries to smite the mob that the mage constantly tries to re-sheep. Then when your party dies everyone points fingers and finally disbands. So uh... how's that get a 9? I'd give the WoW community a 4 at maximum. Perf/lag got a 7. Well being that the graphics are so simple I'd expect to rarely get poor performance. For the most part the performance IS pretty good. Except on PvP servers when people actually try to have battles. Then performance takes a nose dive. Granted, this will happen with any other game so I guess I'd consider that average. Performance I'll go with 7. Then there's lag. I don't know what the deal is with lag and WoW. Some people never got lag, some people were always lagging and getting dropped. I've never had a problem with lag in other games, but in WoW I was almost always yellow and often hitting red with the occaisonal drop. WoW gets a big thumbs down from me in this respect. Then you throw in all the unexpected server crashes, loot lag, bank lag, the abysmal patch download speeds.. Yeah, I think WoW bit the big one in this category. Overall I guess I'd give Perf/lag a 6. Cust. Service got a 4. I think that's pretty fair, although a bit optimistic in my opinion. CS in other MMORPGs has never been overly good, but WoW is definitely at the bottom of the barrel here. Have a problem? It'll get handled in a few hours or the next day if ever. I hate to give terribly low scores so I'll leave CS with a 4. So of course reviews are all about opinions. But there are good opinions that are actually thought out and justified, then there are stupid opinions based on absolutely nothing and only serve to bloat a review score. I like/liked WoW and think it's a good product over all. I'm sure I'll give it another shot in 6 months to a year. It's always fun to check out games that I enjoyed in the past to see how things have changed. I feel I'm a fairly reasonable and rational guy and that I don't make radical opinions and observations. So lets see my round up of scores.. Graphics - 7 Sound - 7 Roleplaying - 3 Value - 8 Fun - 8 Community - 4 Perf/lag - 6 Cust. Service - 4 Total score of... ouch, 5.9! hehe, see now I didn't expect that. I mean, I liked WoW, and if someone were to ask me, "On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate WoW?" I would probably have answered, "Ohh, maybe a low 8." But when you break it down and honestly try and rate each section look how low the score can get! So me thinking that I'm a fairly average guy, with no specific predjudices towards one game or another, I'd expect there to be some people rating lower than me, some people rating similar to me, and finally some people rating higher than me. I'd expect that the average rating here would be fairly close to me, maybe a bit higher simply because I had more trouble with lag than some may have. But you look at the score on this site from users, and it's 8.6. That tells me that people out there aren't actually using their brains to make ratings but simply clicking 10s left and right. Even if purposely bloat my scores way beyond belief by adding 2 to each of my ratings it'd still come out as only 7.9! From a person that likes WoW! I'm starting to think that a person should have to actually write up a review like above stating why they rate items the way they do for it to count. I'd love to see how people are justifying giving a bunch of 10s, which must be going on to rate at 8.6.
So to summarise your post, you disagree with the reviewer and believe your opinion to be more valid than his.
Better save that cookie for yourself since you have amazing reading comprehension. I never said my opinion was better than anyone elses since uh... well, I said it was my opinion. That's what opinions are ya know? Opinions? If you use a tiny bit more of your reading skills you might notice that I was commenting that there are good opinions based on observations and supported by descriptions, and then there are bad opinions such as clicking all 10's and providing no reason, which this site seems to have plenty of. Enjoy your cookie, mister cookie handing out type guy! And way to qoute the whole dang post... blimey!
Originally posted by sschrupp Better save that cookie for yourself since you have amazing reading comprehension. I never said my opinion was better than anyone elses since uh... well, I said it was my opinion. That's what opinions are ya know? Opinions? If you use a tiny bit more of your reading skills you might notice that I was commenting that there are good opinions based on observations and supported by descriptions, and then there are bad opinions such as clicking all 10's and providing no reason, which this site seems to have plenty of. Enjoy your cookie, mister cookie handing out type guy! And way to qoute the whole dang post... blimey!
OK, so you start off by saying you don't believe your opinion is better than anyone elses, then you completely contradict yourself by saying that some people have bad opinions.
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It is NOT more far superior it cant compete to everyquest2, wow is a mess eq2 not, clean up things in wow and add the honor/battle/hero/+ put graphics on highest then it may be superior a small bit but at the very moment wow is equal to trash. im very sure about this, servers r crap, queuee is crap, updates r slow and crap. Understand?
actually Pong came out in 1966. I know because my mom owned one (she still has it). So you technically have to be about 40 lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Heres the Problem with WoW. its EVERWOWQUEST. instead of good graphics like eq2 it has cartoon graphics. you do the same thing. EQ2 and WoW are so similiar its not even funny. you cant tell me you log onto WoW and quest and thats different than if you log onto EQ2 and quest. becuase it isnt. Fantasy games are the same, so there is no "best" mmorpg. i have yet to see a really good well polished fantasy game, becuase they just arent out there. WoW has a bad PvP system, a bad mail system, no housing in a game that needs it. Rock paper scissors PvP. all the quests are the same except for a few important ones that take you too instances.
Fantasy MMORPGS are just not at the level they need to be yet. WoW will probably reach that level in a few years, but by then they will have much better fantasy games out there, and they will leave WoW behind. all of the mmorpg "noobs" will move on to a newer bigger badder title.
I would go as far as to say WoW is inferior to EQ2, and that EQ2 is the best mmorpg out there, even though i havent played EQ2. you know why i see EQ2 as better? content. it came out earlier, and still has more content that WoW.
Spend 89 hours playing EQ2, then come back and update us.
World of Warcraft is alot of things. Im a die hard WoW fanatic. But Ill give you my most basic opinions about this game:
What WoW is:
+ Hillarious
+ Casual
+ Hell bent on balance
+ Extremely detailed
What WoW isnt:
- Licensed with the Unreal Engine
- Hell bent serious (etc EQ2)
- The revolution of MMO's
- D&D semi-ripoff
Ive played MMO's for the last 10 years. WoW has humor, a VERY unique graphical style and design concept that follows every single detail of the world. It has its very own lore and atmosphere that's been told in the previous games. It feels very 'real'. Everything fits into a greater plot and their is always some book lying around that has some background information about the quests you do.
Blizzard loves to balance their games, WoW included. They tend to balance it to much thou. For example for some reasona mage cant wear plate armor, which seem riddiculously illogical to me (you should be able to, but it will hinder your spellcasting). Some older games did much better in that aspect. (etc AC1 were you could create completely free-form characters and wear whatever kind of armor you wanted).
To sum it up. WoW isnt a flawless MMO. All MMOs have flaws, some are downright inplayable. WoW is the most playable and well done MMO Ive played so far.
To me this game is good for how long its been out. In daoc player housing wasnt in the game until after 2 years after release. I do not know what people expect in the leveling. I do like wow quests then ao, daoc or eq. Mmpg like installing more content on the demand from the client base. When the majority starts complaining not haveing housing and how rad it would be with it. I bet they would start thinking of it. This game besides the monster release and dealing with the large client base. It is a job keeping up with it. This game is what 5 months old?. They have started getting way better with the lag and logon in ques. I work 40 to 50 hours a week and my highest lvl char is 35. With few late 20ish. This game was suppose to be for the casual player not the no job living with parents and have 12 hours a day to play. If you hit 60 within in 2 to 3 months then your pushing it to hard or to much time on your hands and playing the game. My goal from release was not to hit 60, but try out all the classes and get my crafting skills done. I knew with out battlegrounds hitting 60 would get me bored to hell. I am pacing my self. So far I have 35, 33, 31, 28 and a 21. Since battlegrounds sounds like it is closer. I will stay with my 35 tauren druid until 60. Between all my alts I was lucky and have enough for 1 char to get his mount
. With such a large client base. There will be more and more who dont like it and more and more that do like it. It is all about the #.
Have fun
I wanted to post a lengthy reply but as I read through what people say I think the answere is pretty much there. WoW may not the best ever MMORPG, but it is best as of today, not becuase its revolutionary or anything, no, it didnt introduce anything new or innovative. What it did is learn from mistakes of other MMORPGS, dumped them and you see the result - an ordinary MMORPG without any major flaws in its core. Thats all it is. Its simple yet complicated, its intriguing and addictive, mysterious and fun. And it will stay that way untill a new MMORPG comes out and that new MMORPG will have all the traits from WoW plus some innovative and revolutionary idea (and im not talking about techincal side like graphics, because graphics isnt everything, its all about gameplay).
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Quoted for emphasis.
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Pvp = godliness
Playing: WoW
Waiting on: Gods and Heroes
Said the pot to the kettle.I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
WoW is a decent game, no question. But I am SOOOO getting sick of all this fanboy rubbish repeated over and over again where ever you look.
Even the MMORPG.com review seems like been written by a fanboy. How on earth could he give that game a 8 conceirning Roleplay? NFC! And Graphics...sure they are nice and can be run on a slow machine, but hey - lets be honest: The Capabilities provided by the engine were probably outdated when they first started to code the game 3 years ago....There is, imho, no gaming engine out there that does not have some kind of flaw (EQ2 too slow on most computers, WoW too "simple") - so wtf 10 for graphics?!?!?!?
Hello Character-Customisation?! I wouldnt call being able to select a race, gender and then from a set of maybe 6 faces and 6 hairstyles "character-customization...If it was to support the overall performance of the game...but once you have more then 20 people in one area it gets laggy anyway..
And look at the character animations - there is almost no choreography when u cast a spell or use melee styles. Thats so poor compared to other games.
And again, I am not saying that WoW isn't a good game, but are you guys getting payed for hyping it even 6 months after release. Doesnt it piss you off, that the whole end game is nothing but vapour so far. The Honour System was announced pre release and hasnt been implemented yet.
A friend of mine had is toon cap lvl within 9 days (was on holidays, but still...).
Ah well...
Lasastard if you haven't noticed there's plenty of people who don't like WoW.
yeah sry ^^
I was just so upset about this completly unprofessional review so proudly presented by mmorpg.com
You disagree with the reviewer, so he's unprofessional? Uhhh.... no..... I don't think it works like that.
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i agree with the Reviewer. WoW graphicss rocks and are actually a brilliant example you DO NOT need a super computer or a 3d millions of polygons engien to make GOOD graphics. You know? people were making good painting with brushes and pencils and making 3d stuff with stone..... the fact we can now do it with super lighting effects DO NOT remove the fact those are masterpieces.
WoW has ART. and beautiful art at that. I sincerely could not care less if the engine it runs do not have gazillions of polygons if the result is WoW. I'm serious.
Second, character customization. True, there isn't much variety in faces, hairstyles and what not... but how many times have you stopped to notice the face (that you can barely see), the eyes (that you can't see at all) or the hairs (maybe the most visible detail) in any other mmorpg? I tell you. never. why? cause most of there features are covered by various layers of clothing and guess what? THERE lays WoW variety in character customizations. the amount of items and all the various sets, different styles and things available is quite quite high. In all my carrier i encountered 2 items with same graphics out of ... mah? hundreds? i found.
No coreography in spells? ah ha! ever cast a tranquillity? again it doesn't have a tons of flashy strange colours on screen and it do not take years to display. it is simple and... beautiful.
But i suppose it is taste related. i just wonder how come it seems 99% of all reviewers agree with me that the graphics is top notch, is good to be me and have same taste as all this other people right?
EQ2 and WoW: they ARE similar games. on the surface. if you read the features on both boxes, you could think they do are similar. Play them both and you realize they aren't. Not very. I did. now i am playing WoW and i will leave it at that as i do not want to enter any polemic with anybody here concerning EQ2.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I kind of agree with Lasastard as to people not knowing how to rate games. Yes the graphics in WoW have good art, but a 10? A 10 to me means perfect or near perfect in all manners. Ok, so Art-wise WoW should get a 9 or 10, but custimization I'd give it a 6, animation would get maybe a 7 from me, and technical would get maybe a 6. Hmm, so considering graphics in its entirety I would rate WoW as around 7 for graphics. 7 is still a good score and nothing to be ashamed of.
Sound they gave a 9. Again I'd say there are many parts to sound. There's music, there's spell effects, environment sounds, etc. I think WoW did pretty good here for the most part. I do like the music in the game and how it changes with different areas. Although this is done in plenty of other games, so being about average compared to other games I'd give music a 6. The spell sound effects in WoW or mediocre, many spells sharing the same sounds, BUT there is Sheep sound.. too dang funny, for that I have to give spell sounds an 8. Environment.. well there isn't a whole lot. There's the footsteps, swimming, fire... Eh, that's all in many other games as well, but to be generous I'll say environment would get a 7. So sound in its entirety would get around a 7 from me.
Roleplaying of 8? Uh.. what roleplaying? I've seen much more roleplaying in other games, mainly because I don't think I saw ANY roleplaying in WoW. Maybe on the roleplaying server there is some, but I bet even there you won't find much. No clue how you could give WoW an 8 for Roleplaying, I'd say a 3 would be optimistic.
Value they gave an 8. I've never been too sure what value fully entails. To me when I see value in MMORPG ratings I think about it's monetary costs compared to the overall enjoyment I get out of the game compared to other games. So lets see, $50 + $15/month (this is on the high side compared to all the others out there now) for a game that I found to be lots of fun at first, and only minorly fun near the end. So the cost is on the high end which would lower the value score, but I did enjoy the game more than some of the other MMORPGs out there so that would raise it back up some. I'll give it an 8 as well for value.
Fun got a 10. Again, 10 being perfect or near perfect. Boy I don't know that my overall fun in WoW was perfect or near perfect. Sure in the beginning when everything was fresh and new I had a blast, but even with crummy games you tend to have a great time at first until you realize how crummy they are. Luckily I never thought WoW was crummy, but I DID have various moments of frustration, dissapointment, boredom, etc. Near the end I found myself having more fun reading forums or playing other games than I did playing WoW. To be generous I'll say 8 for fun.
They gave community a 9. Boy, they really liked the community. Community to me would be not only your close friends and guild, but also everyone else you come across when you're hanging around a city or looking for pick-up groups. Ok, so when it came to friends I'd of course say a 10. Guild? Well guilds are usually pretty good, but with how the content in this game is you're usually interacting with only a couple people besides the occasional guild chatter. If you're not level 60 you have no interaction with all the other level 60s in the guild unless you're level 58-59.... MAYBE. Outside the guild? Blech! Constant swearing and arguments about stupid things going on in /yell and /general channels. You ask a question and if anyone answers it's more than likely along the lines of, "ha! jo0 n3VVb!" You try your best for a couple hours to find a group and end up with a warrior that spends all his time running to the nearest chest, a priest that only uses shield and constantly tries to smite the mob that the mage constantly tries to re-sheep. Then when your party dies everyone points fingers and finally disbands. So uh... how's that get a 9? I'd give the WoW community a 4 at maximum.
Perf/lag got a 7. Well being that the graphics are so simple I'd expect to rarely get poor performance. For the most part the performance IS pretty good. Except on PvP servers when people actually try to have battles. Then performance takes a nose dive. Granted, this will happen with any other game so I guess I'd consider that average. Performance I'll go with 7. Then there's lag. I don't know what the deal is with lag and WoW. Some people never got lag, some people were always lagging and getting dropped. I've never had a problem with lag in other games, but in WoW I was almost always yellow and often hitting red with the occaisonal drop. WoW gets a big thumbs down from me in this respect. Then you throw in all the unexpected server crashes, loot lag, bank lag, the abysmal patch download speeds.. Yeah, I think WoW bit the big one in this category. Overall I guess I'd give Perf/lag a 6.
Cust. Service got a 4. I think that's pretty fair, although a bit optimistic in my opinion. CS in other MMORPGs has never been overly good, but WoW is definitely at the bottom of the barrel here. Have a problem? It'll get handled in a few hours or the next day if ever. I hate to give terribly low scores so I'll leave CS with a 4.
So of course reviews are all about opinions. But there are good opinions that are actually thought out and justified, then there are stupid opinions based on absolutely nothing and only serve to bloat a review score. I like/liked WoW and think it's a good product over all. I'm sure I'll give it another shot in 6 months to a year. It's always fun to check out games that I enjoyed in the past to see how things have changed. I feel I'm a fairly reasonable and rational guy and that I don't make radical opinions and observations. So lets see my round up of scores..
Graphics - 7
Sound - 7
Roleplaying - 3
Value - 8
Fun - 8
Community - 4
Perf/lag - 6
Cust. Service - 4
Total score of... ouch, 5.9!
hehe, see now I didn't expect that. I mean, I liked WoW, and if someone were to ask me, "On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate WoW?" I would probably have answered, "Ohh, maybe a low 8." But when you break it down and honestly try and rate each section look how low the score can get! So me thinking that I'm a fairly average guy, with no specific predjudices towards one game or another, I'd expect there to be some people rating lower than me, some people rating similar to me, and finally some people rating higher than me. I'd expect that the average rating here would be fairly close to me, maybe a bit higher simply because I had more trouble with lag than some may have. But you look at the score on this site from users, and it's 8.6. That tells me that people out there aren't actually using their brains to make ratings but simply clicking 10s left and right. Even if purposely bloat my scores way beyond belief by adding 2 to each of my ratings it'd still come out as only 7.9! From a person that likes WoW! I'm starting to think that a person should have to actually write up a review like above stating why they rate items the way they do for it to count. I'd love to see how people are justifying giving a bunch of 10s, which must be going on to rate at 8.6.
So to summarise your post, you disagree with the reviewer and believe your opinion to be more valid than his.
Here's a cookie:
OK, so you start off by saying you don't believe your opinion is better than anyone elses, then you completely contradict yourself by saying that some people have bad opinions.
Well done.