3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Originally posted by Celcius No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2.
I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!
An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim.
You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy.
I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.
As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?
All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.
Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".
GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story.
The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.
Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.
That was nearly almost the same time frame from launch until that announcement as GW2's launch to the announcement of 3mil. Obviously the numbers today are different then what they were before since many more people are playing MMOs, but the fact still stands: GW2 is currently the fastest selling MMO to date.
THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong. Oh and just for the record I got these links by typing in to google "what is the fastest growing mmo". I got 1,220,000 results back and every link on the first page alone lacked anything to do with Guild Wars 2.
3 million.5 months. Fastest selling ever. The first post you linked didn't even have any numbers in it related to the fastest selling mmo other then SWTOR. Yes, SWTOR was the fastest selling MMO at that point. Since SWTOR only ended up selling a little over a million they obviously slowed down to the point where they were no longer the fastest. The second article is in the same boat and so is the 3rd. Funny how all the haters come out of the woodwork because they can't fathom that people like a game they do and that it can't be successful without them. It is just adorable!
Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.
Two words: Digital Downloads. This here day and age aint the same as them good ol' days.
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
Ah, OK, I see what you did there. Tried it myself, same results. When I did with GW2, though, this came up...
How are things going in GW2?
Interesting life cycle in a MMO – once a MMO comes out, you immediately become a MMO service provider. Once a MMO launches, you have that peak concurrency right off the bat, then population drops down and it settles into the core player base, then that core population slowly decline every month after that.
If you look at EVE, WoW, those are great examples of games that settled into their base population after launch and then every month start to grow a bit. All the other games that weren’t as successful hit their base point and started to drop off a bit.
We actually hit our base point with GW2 where for a month we saw the same login numbers and every week for the last 5 weeks it has being slowly going up and that is really exciting for us.
We are the fastest selling MMO ever made – to get to 3 million copies (maybe not including China). The game is doing better than we ever imagined it could
Caveat - I think this can be read as the fastest ever to 3 million? Hard to tell...
Absolutely NONE of the developers claimed it would kill WoW. This is just the COMMUNITY, and people like yourself who claimed Guild Wars 2 would kill WoW. Or more so, people like youreslf who read posts from the community who say its going to kill WoW then hold it against a bunch of silly teenagers, like they actually know what their talking about. They were excited for something that's been up and coming to GW fans for quite some time. That's all that was.
Aside from that, TONS of people still play, they are coming out with new content as we speak, and changing how things are done. They have been talking about a new WvW map. These sorts of things. I'll go back to check it out for sure. But, I have some serious game ADD, its hard for me to play ANY game for long. Guild Wars was an exception, but Guild Wars 2 is just in the prime of my game ADD so I can't seem to manage to play it for long at any time.
Truly though, it's a good game. A very SOLID game. I think the devs did a fuckin' amazing job on that game. And what game ISN'T HYPED at first? That's the point of advertising. To get people excited, and ready for a launch. Ya know. There's absolutely nothing wrong with hyping a game up.
I refuse to believe that you've nevre hyped anything up to be better than it actually is to friends or something, simply because YOU are excited about it.
Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.
Two words: Digital Downloads. This here day and age aint the same as them good ol' days.
Yeah seriously. The pc game section of my gamestop is like one side rack on a shelf.
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
Why are you having difficulty accepting that up till this point, from release to 5 months later, GW2 is the fastest growing MMORPG ever? The span between the 2 million mark and the 3 million mark was actually pretty impressive.
It's still selling copies too. GW2 is still 10th on Amazon overall for best selling PC games. That's pretty impressive for 5 months after release.
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
Why are you having difficulty accepting that up till this point, from release to 5 months later, GW2 is the fastest growing MMORPG ever? The span between the 2 million mark and the 3 million mark was actually pretty impressive.
It's still selling copies too. GW2 is still 10th on Amazon overall for best selling PC games. That's pretty impressive for 5 months after release.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and just for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera. Number 1 for PC Games Sales is C&C Ultimate Collection followed by Tera(Retail Box) at #2
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
Why are you having difficulty accepting that up till this point, from release to 5 months later, GW2 is the fastest growing MMORPG ever? The span between the 2 million mark and the 3 million mark was actually pretty impressive.
It's still selling copies too. GW2 is still 10th on Amazon overall for best selling PC games. That's pretty impressive for 5 months after release.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
And just for the record... TERA is F2P...
WoW grew slowly over time. A lot more slowly than GW2 so far. Pretty simple. I like WoW by the way.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Absolutely NONE of the developers claimed it would kill WoW. This is just the COMMUNITY, and people like yourself who claimed Guild Wars 2 would kill WoW. Or more so, people like youreslf who read posts from the community who say its going to kill WoW then hold it against a bunch of silly teenagers, like they actually know what their talking about. They were excited for something that's been up and coming to GW fans for quite some time. That's all that was.
Aside from that, TONS of people still play, they are coming out with new content as we speak, and changing how things are done. They have been talking about a new WvW map. These sorts of things. I'll go back to check it out for sure. But, I have some serious game ADD, its hard for me to play ANY game for long. Guild Wars was an exception, but Guild Wars 2 is just in the prime of my game ADD so I can't seem to manage to play it for long at any time.
Truly though, it's a good game. A very SOLID game. I think the devs did a fuckin' amazing job on that game. And what game ISN'T HYPED at first? That's the point of advertising. To get people excited, and ready for a launch. Ya know. There's absolutely nothing wrong with hyping a game up.
I refuse to believe that you've nevre hyped anything up to be better than it actually is to friends or something, simply because YOU are excited about it.
Well to be fair the man in charge of A-net said he wanted to take on WOW in not so specific words.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.(Source VGsales WIkia)
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.
Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
Why are you having difficulty accepting that up till this point, from release to 5 months later, GW2 is the fastest growing MMORPG ever? The span between the 2 million mark and the 3 million mark was actually pretty impressive.
It's still selling copies too. GW2 is still 10th on Amazon overall for best selling PC games. That's pretty impressive for 5 months after release.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
And why exactly do you feel the need to compare these games? As someone mentioned WOW sold about 3 million MOP expansions not 10 million, and probably also sold about 3 million in the first couple months of its life. They are totally different games, different types of players, it does not affect anyones quality of life i the games they play is number 1 or 10 on a best selling list, the point is GW2 is a good game and its growth and ability to provide free to play could have far reaching affects for future pricing models that is positive for us players, dont you realise this?
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.
Expansion, yes. That's special. How about WoW itself? How long did it take WoW to reach 3 million? An expansion isn't growth. That's selling to the choir, to mutilate a phrase. WoW sold those copies to it's alleged 10 million subscribers, but how long did it take WoW to grow to that 3 million mark originally?
The game was okay for what it was. Overhyped to hell, but what game isn't now? It seems to have done well for itself so far, and we'll see if it continues to be a success. Not being a subscription game, they don't have to have massive game retention to see money roll in, they just need to retain the people that pay for fluff and things they sell in their store.
On the topic of WoW Killers and those of you who say it was only fanboys or that it never happened, Mike O'Brien specifically says this:
“We’re in it to win it this time, We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO. I think we have something unique here and players are going to see it and understand why dynamic events are a way better content model than people have experienced before in online worlds. Word-of-mouth will get people to understand that we really are doing something new and different. The sky’s the limit once this game is out. Online worlds have a networking effect. People will bring friends to Guild Wars 2. We hope all the people who play the beta weekend will tell their friends about it.” -Link
Then he goes on to say that only WoW can kill WoW, so I don't know. They definitely wanted any talk about WoW Killers to be referring to their title, and it was all over this forum from fanboys and casual gaming fans alike.
Absolutely NONE of the developers claimed it would kill WoW. This is just the COMMUNITY, and people like yourself who claimed Guild Wars 2 would kill WoW. Or more so, people like youreslf who read posts from the community who say its going to kill WoW then hold it against a bunch of silly teenagers, like they actually know what their talking about. They were excited for something that's been up and coming to GW fans for quite some time. That's all that was.
Aside from that, TONS of people still play, they are coming out with new content as we speak, and changing how things are done. They have been talking about a new WvW map. These sorts of things. I'll go back to check it out for sure. But, I have some serious game ADD, its hard for me to play ANY game for long. Guild Wars was an exception, but Guild Wars 2 is just in the prime of my game ADD so I can't seem to manage to play it for long at any time.
Truly though, it's a good game. A very SOLID game. I think the devs did a fuckin' amazing job on that game. And what game ISN'T HYPED at first? That's the point of advertising. To get people excited, and ready for a launch. Ya know. There's absolutely nothing wrong with hyping a game up.
I refuse to believe that you've nevre hyped anything up to be better than it actually is to friends or something, simply because YOU are excited about it.
Well to be fair the man in charge of A-net said he wanted to take on WOW in not so specific words.
They said they wanted to be #1. Nothing wrong with that. They never said they wanted to kill WoW or anything, just be #1.
GW2 is still the best MMO on the market... and will remain that way until possibly ESO.
Is just your point of view and the people playing it, well not even that because i play the game sometimes and i do believe that is not the best MMO in the market.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.
Expansion, yes. That's special. How about WoW itself? How long did it take WoW to reach 3 million? An expansion isn't growth. That's selling to the choir, to mutilate a phrase. WoW sold those copies to it's alleged 10 million subscribers, but how long did it take WoW to grow to that 3 million mark originally?
I love this your floundering for excuses every time i prove you wrong.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.
Expansion, yes. That's special. How about WoW itself? How long did it take WoW to reach 3 million? An expansion isn't growth. That's selling to the choir, to mutilate a phrase. WoW sold those copies to it's alleged 10 million subscribers, but how long did it take WoW to grow to that 3 million mark originally?
I love this your floundering for excuses every time i prove you wrong.
Every time? I've yet to see the first... one thing you've taken from GW2 is the ability to dodge.
"We are the fastest selling MMO ever made – to get to 3 million copies (maybe not including China). The game is doing better than we ever imagined it could"
Well to be fair the man in charge of A-net said he wanted to take on WOW in not so specific words.
They said they wanted to be #1. Nothing wrong with that. They never said they wanted to kill WoW or anything, just be #1.
Didn't say there was anything wrong with that, but I fail to see a difference between killing WOW and dethroning it, I don't see how anyone can define killing as being a literal use of the word on this subject.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.(Source VGsales WIkia)
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.
Expansion, yes. That's special. How about WoW itself? How long did it take WoW to reach 3 million? An expansion isn't growth. That's selling to the choir, to mutilate a phrase. WoW sold those copies to it's alleged 10 million subscribers, but how long did it take WoW to grow to that 3 million mark originally?
I love this your floundering for excuses every time i prove you wrong.
Your perception about his excuses vs your "proof" is strange. You seem completely incapable of looking at facts and and accepting them as facts. Every time you just talk about current populations of WoW and their expansion sales numbers.
Here's a hint. When people talk about "fastest growing," they are not talking about current populations. WoW is actually declining right now. It was up around 12 million a couple of years ago and now it's down around 9 or 10 million. WoW is actually currently DECLINING, not GROWING. And when it first came out, it's growth was slower for the first 5 months than GW2's growth is now.
That isn't to say that GW2 will ever grow to 10 millionish, but up till this point, no other MMORPG has grown faster than GW2 during the first 5 months.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and justst for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.
Expansion, yes. That's special. How about WoW itself? How long did it take WoW to reach 3 million? An expansion isn't growth. That's selling to the choir, to mutilate a phrase. WoW sold those copies to it's alleged 10 million subscribers, but how long did it take WoW to grow to that 3 million mark originally?
I love this your floundering for excuses every time i prove you wrong.
How did you prove him wrong? GW2 grew to 3+ millions accounts much faster than WoW did back in 2004 at its release. Volkon is actually right, and you are wrong. Part of why you are wrong is that you compare apples and oranges, aka vanilla games and expansions of well established games.
Oh and yes, where's that 40k kills in WvW thingy? Now that it's been mentionned, I'm eager to see it too.
I have shown source after source proving him wrong and he hasnt shown 1 source to back up his claims that is why he is wrong. Where is this source that says GW2 is the fastest growing video game of all time? hell the viewers of this site picked Pirate 101 as MMO of the Year for 2012. and Video Game of the Year went to Mass Effect 3.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
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Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out.
The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.
Oderint, dum metuant.
this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l2.13093&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmorpg&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&gs_l=serp.3.0.33i29.18383.19444.1.21460.5.5.0.0.0.2.233.818.1j3j1.5.0.les;..0.0...1c.1.2.serp.hnBC5nTKWkA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=e1f9056ea2a790b0&biw=1680&bih=925
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
http://www.gamespot.com/news/guild-wars-ii-sells-3-million-copies-6402432
3 million.5 months. Fastest selling ever. The first post you linked didn't even have any numbers in it related to the fastest selling mmo other then SWTOR. Yes, SWTOR was the fastest selling MMO at that point. Since SWTOR only ended up selling a little over a million they obviously slowed down to the point where they were no longer the fastest. The second article is in the same boat and so is the 3rd. Funny how all the haters come out of the woodwork because they can't fathom that people like a game they do and that it can't be successful without them. It is just adorable!
Two words: Digital Downloads. This here day and age aint the same as them good ol' days.
Ah, OK, I see what you did there. Tried it myself, same results. When I did with GW2, though, this came up...
How are things going in GW2?
Caveat - I think this can be read as the fastest ever to 3 million? Hard to tell...
Oderint, dum metuant.
Promised to kill WoW?
Absolutely NONE of the developers claimed it would kill WoW. This is just the COMMUNITY, and people like yourself who claimed Guild Wars 2 would kill WoW. Or more so, people like youreslf who read posts from the community who say its going to kill WoW then hold it against a bunch of silly teenagers, like they actually know what their talking about. They were excited for something that's been up and coming to GW fans for quite some time. That's all that was.
Aside from that, TONS of people still play, they are coming out with new content as we speak, and changing how things are done. They have been talking about a new WvW map. These sorts of things. I'll go back to check it out for sure. But, I have some serious game ADD, its hard for me to play ANY game for long. Guild Wars was an exception, but Guild Wars 2 is just in the prime of my game ADD so I can't seem to manage to play it for long at any time.
Truly though, it's a good game. A very SOLID game. I think the devs did a fuckin' amazing job on that game. And what game ISN'T HYPED at first? That's the point of advertising. To get people excited, and ready for a launch. Ya know. There's absolutely nothing wrong with hyping a game up.
I refuse to believe that you've nevre hyped anything up to be better than it actually is to friends or something, simply because YOU are excited about it.
Yeah seriously. The pc game section of my gamestop is like one side rack on a shelf.
Why are you having difficulty accepting that up till this point, from release to 5 months later, GW2 is the fastest growing MMORPG ever? The span between the 2 million mark and the 3 million mark was actually pretty impressive.
It's still selling copies too. GW2 is still 10th on Amazon overall for best selling PC games. That's pretty impressive for 5 months after release.
3 mill is impressive while you have the goliath WOW at 10 Mill? you need your reasoning checked. Untill David(GW2) topples Goliath(which it never will) it will never be the fastest Growing MMO. Oh and just for the Record the number 1 sales for MMO's for Amazon is Tera. Number 1 for PC Games Sales is C&C Ultimate Collection followed by Tera(Retail Box) at #2
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
And just for the record... TERA is F2P...
WoW grew slowly over time. A lot more slowly than GW2 so far. Pretty simple. I like WoW by the way.
I'm sorry... I seem to have misplaced the data... how quickly did WoW hit 3 million again? Or SWToR? Tera perhaps... when did they hit 3 million?
Fastest growing. That means growing (or grew) the fastest.
Where's that 40K Kills screenshot from WvW by the way? Still waiting to see that...
Oderint, dum metuant.
Well to be fair the man in charge of A-net said he wanted to take on WOW in not so specific words.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Wrath of the Lich King sold 2.8 million copies in it's first 24 hours of availability. This makes it the fastest selling computer game of all time, beating the record set by the previous World of Warcraft expansion The Burning Crusade, which sold 2.4 million within its first 24 hours.(Source VGsales WIkia)
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"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
But the pvp was quite fun, better than most modern mmos.
Just I prefer ps2s and ever pvp.
And why exactly do you feel the need to compare these games? As someone mentioned WOW sold about 3 million MOP expansions not 10 million, and probably also sold about 3 million in the first couple months of its life. They are totally different games, different types of players, it does not affect anyones quality of life i the games they play is number 1 or 10 on a best selling list, the point is GW2 is a good game and its growth and ability to provide free to play could have far reaching affects for future pricing models that is positive for us players, dont you realise this?
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Expansion, yes. That's special. How about WoW itself? How long did it take WoW to reach 3 million? An expansion isn't growth. That's selling to the choir, to mutilate a phrase. WoW sold those copies to it's alleged 10 million subscribers, but how long did it take WoW to grow to that 3 million mark originally?
Oderint, dum metuant.
The game was okay for what it was. Overhyped to hell, but what game isn't now? It seems to have done well for itself so far, and we'll see if it continues to be a success. Not being a subscription game, they don't have to have massive game retention to see money roll in, they just need to retain the people that pay for fluff and things they sell in their store.
On the topic of WoW Killers and those of you who say it was only fanboys or that it never happened, Mike O'Brien specifically says this:
“We’re in it to win it this time, We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO. I think we have something unique here and players are going to see it and understand why dynamic events are a way better content model than people have experienced before in online worlds. Word-of-mouth will get people to understand that we really are doing something new and different. The sky’s the limit once this game is out. Online worlds have a networking effect. People will bring friends to Guild Wars 2. We hope all the people who play the beta weekend will tell their friends about it.” -Link
Then he goes on to say that only WoW can kill WoW, so I don't know. They definitely wanted any talk about WoW Killers to be referring to their title, and it was all over this forum from fanboys and casual gaming fans alike.
They said they wanted to be #1. Nothing wrong with that. They never said they wanted to kill WoW or anything, just be #1.
Oderint, dum metuant.
Is just your point of view and the people playing it, well not even that because i play the game sometimes and i do believe that is not the best MMO in the market.
I love this your floundering for excuses every time i prove you wrong.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Every time? I've yet to see the first... one thing you've taken from GW2 is the ability to dodge.
"We are the fastest selling MMO ever made – to get to 3 million copies (maybe not including China). The game is doing better than we ever imagined it could"
Oderint, dum metuant.
Didn't say there was anything wrong with that, but I fail to see a difference between killing WOW and dethroning it, I don't see how anyone can define killing as being a literal use of the word on this subject.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That is an expansion not the game you cant run Lich King w/o the original can you?
Your perception about his excuses vs your "proof" is strange. You seem completely incapable of looking at facts and and accepting them as facts. Every time you just talk about current populations of WoW and their expansion sales numbers.
Here's a hint. When people talk about "fastest growing," they are not talking about current populations. WoW is actually declining right now. It was up around 12 million a couple of years ago and now it's down around 9 or 10 million. WoW is actually currently DECLINING, not GROWING. And when it first came out, it's growth was slower for the first 5 months than GW2's growth is now.
That isn't to say that GW2 will ever grow to 10 millionish, but up till this point, no other MMORPG has grown faster than GW2 during the first 5 months.
I have shown source after source proving him wrong and he hasnt shown 1 source to back up his claims that is why he is wrong. Where is this source that says GW2 is the fastest growing video game of all time? hell the viewers of this site picked Pirate 101 as MMO of the Year for 2012. and Video Game of the Year went to Mass Effect 3.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"