Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P..
Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money. I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.
And no matter what you do, you'll always be second-rate behind those who do spend money.
I disagree.
Everyone that runs a successful F2P game disagrees, too. It won't stop those attached to their favorite talking points from believing what they want, though.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Good advise for posting is doing research. I did and the link is all that is said on the closing of Outspark. So not much to go on for research by all means if you find more feel free to post.
These games change hands a lot more often than you think. Aeria picked up IJJI's titles not that long ago. K2 Networks (Gamers1st) built an empire on buying up games in their entirety or just to localize for a region.
No Domino effect?? OK if that is not then I dont know what is??
I shutter to think just how often they do change hands, Kind of reminds me of a defaulted student loan or a bad debt go figure.
I shutter to keep out the wind and rain. Sometimes to adjust exposure.
It's rare to find a house with working shutters these days. Most are just decorative. I'd like to have functioning ones when we re-side the house.
LMAO you are absoultly right in your comparison of cheap shutters that dont work i.e. Cheap F2P MMO's vs functioning shutters. i.e P2P or B2P MMO's nicely done.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.
Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.
Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.
I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.
MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.
Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.
I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.
Only the strong survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
Thank you for the info. I am not so good at google when it comes to finding credible information.
I do think the anti-F2P movement is like a cult that only really exists on these forums. It really makes no sense why they hate these games. It's like they have these prejudices towards F2P games that are based on what they've seen for bad P2W models.
I played WoW up until WotLK, played RoM for 2 years and now Rift. I am F2P player. I support games when I feel they deserve my money and I want the items enough. I don't troll, and I don't take kindly to trolls.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.
Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.
I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.
Only the stron survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.
So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?
I could be wrong, but seldom am....
I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.
Thank you for the info. I am not so good at google when it comes to finding credible information.
I do think the anti-F2P movement is like a cult that only really exists on these forums. It really makes no sense why they hate these games. It's like they have these prejudices towards F2P games that are based on what they've seen for bad P2W models.
We're a cult? Care to show a poll on this site that shows you in the majority or even breaking 40% for that matter?
So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?
I could be wrong, but seldom am....
I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
"You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub." - NorseGod
In response to your claim that the average revenue per user in the F2P business model is $28 a month, I gave you not only a neat little link to find a wealth of data proving that to be flat out wrong, but also four links directly to various developers sharing ARPU info in case doing your own research was too hard for you.
What was there for you to figure out about that one? Does the truth violate your beliefs that badly that you are now confused as to what we were even talking about?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?
I could be wrong, but seldom am....
I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.
He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.
Not that it matters but I just left WoW after 6 yrs of subbing and dont regret it at all I promis that I will never give any F2P MMO 6 yrs of my life. Im willing to bet you can find less then ten players of any F2P game that has played for 6 yrs or longer.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P..
Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money. I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.
And no matter what you do, you'll always be second-rate behind those who do spend money.
I disagree.
If a gamers objective is to be #1 , then mmorpgs aren't that gamer. Mmo's are social, political and group oriented. Think that is one of the core problems with the current market is tha it just wants to be a single player standalone game that can charge for a monthly fee, aka SWTOR, instead of creating a climatic worl d where everyone can partake in the fun. Guild Wars 2 has started the mechanics of open world events much like Rift, until devs build on that kind of dynamic world system, making it more impactful in the games then world, then yes the above poster would be correct.
THe OP's games where as generic as they come, it people still think it is a big deal ? Where was all the fuss for Shadowbane ?
Shadowbane had more than its share of "issues". Not only that, but the times and the gaming demographic changed, and it didn't. Nature took its course.
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?
Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.
I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
"You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub." - NorseGod
In response to your claim that the average revenue per user in the F2P business model is $28 a month, I gave you not only a neat little link to find a wealth of data proving that to be flat out wrong, but also four links directly to various developers sharing ARPU info in case doing your own research was too hard for you.
What was there for you to figure out about that one? Does the truth violate your beliefs that badly that you are now confused as to what we were even talking about?
I pulled that from an article from this site. Can't find it, so whatever. The only thing important is that I read it.
I will not play F2P games.
I don't like most of them.
I don't want to spend the money needed to fit my playstyle.
MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.
Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.
I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.
Only the strong survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.
Ummm You have 25$ for my little pony>>>>>> WOW ! To be honest people are seeing the BS on these so called free to play..Does it mean that pay to play will be on the rise with their "Cash Shop? I hope not..
Originally posted by GwapoJosh Good riddance.. F2p can go suck a ****..
i feel the need to troll you about your troll post. You will be doing just that while being charged for it... what a ripoff...
Now trolling aside. I do agree that pay to win companies should die in agony, but free to play companies with serious / decent cash shop will always prevail as long as they make quality games (The same applies to B2P and P2P). Whether or not Outspark was one of them, i dont know.
So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?
I could be wrong, but seldom am....
I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.
He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.
Not that it matters but I just left WoW after 6 yrs of subbing and dont regret it at all I promis that I will never give any F2P MMO 6 yrs of my life. Im willing to bet you can find less then ten players of any F2P game that has played for 6 yrs or longer.
So are you pro f2p or anti f2p. Since your original post suggest f2p is better, since you are so shocked that a f2p game got shutdown...
Originally posted by GwapoJosh I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P..
Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money. I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.
You probably go the smart route and buy expansions, correct?
How do you buy expansions in a F2P game? lol.
I agree with Dibdabs, sure B2P and F2P will cost more only if you're dumb enough to spend more than a monthly sub in the cash shop. Most games don't require you to spend any amount of cash if you don't want to, but some people are dumb enough to spend ridiculous amount of cash in the cash shop just because they can and they prefer to instead of actually playing the game.
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Everyone that runs a successful F2P game disagrees, too. It won't stop those attached to their favorite talking points from believing what they want, though.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
LMAO you are absoultly right in your comparison of cheap shutters that dont work i.e. Cheap F2P MMO's vs functioning shutters. i.e P2P or B2P MMO's nicely done.
Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.
Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.
Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.
I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.
Only the strong survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.
What does f2p have anything to do with games shuting down. If sub based game can shutdown, why not f2p?
Unless you mean f2p games are doing so much better than p2p that it is impossible for them to fail, and that don't makes sense too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.
However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Domino effect..??
There games were nothing special and they deffinalty did not keep up with the time.. all they released is stuff that would have been awesome im 2004.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
Thank you for the info. I am not so good at google when it comes to finding credible information.
I do think the anti-F2P movement is like a cult that only really exists on these forums. It really makes no sense why they hate these games. It's like they have these prejudices towards F2P games that are based on what they've seen for bad P2W models.
I played WoW up until WotLK, played RoM for 2 years and now Rift.
I am F2P player. I support games when I feel they deserve my money and I want the items enough.
I don't troll, and I don't take kindly to trolls.
I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.
We're a cult? Care to show a poll on this site that shows you in the majority or even breaking 40% for that matter?
He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.
"You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub." - NorseGod
In response to your claim that the average revenue per user in the F2P business model is $28 a month, I gave you not only a neat little link to find a wealth of data proving that to be flat out wrong, but also four links directly to various developers sharing ARPU info in case doing your own research was too hard for you.
What was there for you to figure out about that one? Does the truth violate your beliefs that badly that you are now confused as to what we were even talking about?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Not that it matters but I just left WoW after 6 yrs of subbing and dont regret it at all I promis that I will never give any F2P MMO 6 yrs of my life. Im willing to bet you can find less then ten players of any F2P game that has played for 6 yrs or longer.
Shadowbane had more than its share of "issues". Not only that, but the times and the gaming demographic changed, and it didn't. Nature took its course.
I pulled that from an article from this site. Can't find it, so whatever. The only thing important is that I read it.
I will not play F2P games.
I don't like most of them.
I don't want to spend the money needed to fit my playstyle.
I don't like the kind people that play F2P games.
Ummm You have 25$ for my little pony>>>>>> WOW ! To be honest people are seeing the BS on these so called free to play..Does it mean that pay to play will be on the rise with their "Cash Shop? I hope not..
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I retired retroactively..Haha
i feel the need to troll you about your troll post. You will be doing just that while being charged for it... what a ripoff...
Now trolling aside. I do agree that pay to win companies should die in agony, but free to play companies with serious / decent cash shop will always prevail as long as they make quality games (The same applies to B2P and P2P). Whether or not Outspark was one of them, i dont know.
So are you pro f2p or anti f2p. Since your original post suggest f2p is better, since you are so shocked that a f2p game got shutdown...
How do you buy expansions in a F2P game? lol.
I agree with Dibdabs, sure B2P and F2P will cost more only if you're dumb enough to spend more than a monthly sub in the cash shop. Most games don't require you to spend any amount of cash if you don't want to, but some people are dumb enough to spend ridiculous amount of cash in the cash shop just because they can and they prefer to instead of actually playing the game.