YAY! I can't wait for EQNEXT . And on the menu for now is more guild wars2. Good luck with FF though. Hope they fixed their mess for all of the fans. Never cared much for it myself.
Originally posted by apocoluster Denied. Again . Guess ill see yah during the free month
Not true, you'll have another shot in phase 2. Then if you ever played XIV 1.0 you will be in as of phase 3, and then phase 4 open beta is well... open.
Then you'll get the free month after the official launch. So you'll have the opportunity to play the game long before then.
im sorry but games that make a NDA do not stand behind their product IMO. Also you can talk all you want about being in a beta , you just cannot mention the content. Hope FF fans get a good game this time , they deserved better than that crap they released before.
Originally posted by kabitoshin Good job breaking the NDA, rule #1 about beta club is don't talk about beta club.
Actually the NDA doesn't say you can't admit to being in this beta just that you can't disclose confidential information and does list what that information is.
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Originally posted by cronius77 im sorry but games that make a NDA do not stand behind their product IMO.
Totally flawed opinion there mate. You need to stop thinking about it from a player's perspective and see it from a developer's perpective... when things are not yet finished, added or may be removed later.. you do not want everyone talking about them, cos most consumers lack the brain power or the reasoning to understand that in some cases a beta actually is a beta. Marketing is an academic subject for a reason. NDAs are a result of consumer flaws, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by cronius77 im sorry but games that make a NDA do not stand behind their product IMO. Also you can talk all you want about being in a beta , you just cannot mention the content. Hope FF fans get a good game this time , they deserved better than that crap they released before.
People who complain about NDA's in BETA do not know anything about how TESTING games in DEVELOPMENT works.
Been this way for longer than you've been playing I'm sure.
Also yeah Square Enix really should start standing behind FFXIV already!
Originally posted by cronius77 im sorry but games that make a NDA do not stand behind their product IMO. Also you can talk all you want about being in a beta , you just cannot mention the content. Hope FF fans get a good game this time , they deserved better than that crap they released before.
A game in beta is an unfinished product. There will be problems, bugs and systems that aren't up to standard. The current MMO community would stupidly use betas to dismiss games if it weren't for the NDA forcing most of them to wait for launch.
This is great news, or...at least it would be. Im a legacy member (since beta of 1.0)....but I'm currently deplyed to afghanistan until november....sad llama.
I suppose I can always get it set up once i come back for R and R in June....but I wonder if there is some expiration on those keys as well lol. In any case, good to see it's coming along, very much looking forward to playing 2.0!
Originally posted by kabitoshin Good job breaking the NDA, rule #1 about beta club is don't talk about beta club.
Actually the NDA doesn't say you can't admit to being in this beta just that you can't disclose confidential information and does list what that information is.
"Confidential Information" shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT'S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester's participation in the Beta Test.
Originally posted by kabitoshin Good job breaking the NDA, rule #1 about beta club is don't talk about beta club.
Actually the NDA doesn't say you can't admit to being in this beta just that you can't disclose confidential information and does list what that information is.
"Confidential Information" shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT'S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester's participation in the Beta Test.
Not at all, goes to show I need glasses as I didn't see that bit.
edit: or the actual truth in that what you posted is different than what I was given!
*Registration codes have been listed for each service account that qualifies as a Legacy member. *Registration codes for service accounts that do not qualify as a Legacy member will be announced before the start of Beta Test phase 3. *This registration code cannot be reissued, so please do not lose it. *Transferring or selling this registration code to another individual is prohibited. In the case prohibited actions are discovered, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.
Confidentiality Obligations As stated in the “FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Tester Agreement,” testers are prohibited from disclosing any proprietary information related to the Beta Test. Beta Testers shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information regarding specifications of the Beta version, technology, bugs and information available on the Beta Tester forums (including the opinions of yourself and others) to any other person or external sites (including blogs and social media sites).
In the event that we confirm that infringement has occurred, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.
And that's where it ends in my e-mail so that's where I got that.
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Originally posted by kabitoshin Good job breaking the NDA, rule #1 about beta club is don't talk about beta club.
Actually the NDA doesn't say you can't admit to being in this beta just that you can't disclose confidential information and does list what that information is.
"Confidential Information" shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT'S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester's participation in the Beta Test.
Not at all, goes to show I need glasses as I didn't see that bit.
edit: or the actual truth in that what you posted is different than what I was given!
*Registration codes have been listed for each service account that qualifies as a Legacy member. *Registration codes for service accounts that do not qualify as a Legacy member will be announced before the start of Beta Test phase 3. *This registration code cannot be reissued, so please do not lose it. *Transferring or selling this registration code to another individual is prohibited. In the case prohibited actions are discovered, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.
Confidentiality Obligations As stated in the “FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Tester Agreement,” testers are prohibited from disclosing any proprietary information related to the Beta Test. Beta Testers shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information regarding specifications of the Beta version, technology, bugs and information available on the Beta Tester forums (including the opinions of yourself and others) to any other person or external sites (including blogs and social media sites).
In the event that we confirm that infringement has occurred, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.
And that's where it ends in my e-mail so that's where I got that.
That's merely a reminder to not disclose anything you find in Beta to anyone not in Beta, which means you are restricted to discussing Beta on the Beta forums. The NDA I posted was the one you had to "read" and accept when signing up for beta. I'm pretty sure SE has been nuking "I got into Beta" threads as well on the official forums as there were a couple just the other day and have since vanished.
That's merely a reminder to not disclose anything you find in Beta to anyone not in Beta, which means you are restricted to discussing Beta on the Beta forums. The NDA I posted was the one you had to "read" and accept when signing up for beta. I'm pretty sure SE has been nuking "I got into Beta" threads as well on the official forums as there were a couple just the other day and have since vanished.
yup and I'm thorougly ashamed.
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Originally posted by cronius77 im sorry but games that make a NDA do not stand behind their product IMO. Also you can talk all you want about being in a beta , you just cannot mention the content. Hope FF fans get a good game this time , they deserved better than that crap they released before.
What if the NDA is force because of a contract with an investor?
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Only legacy keys are out.
No one with normal Beta yet.
*Registration codes for service accounts that do not qualify as a Legacy member will be announced before the start of Beta Test phase 3.
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Are you a Legacy member? They are the only ones getting emails. And if you are, check your spam folder.
Not true, you'll have another shot in phase 2. Then if you ever played XIV 1.0 you will be in as of phase 3, and then phase 4 open beta is well... open.
Then you'll get the free month after the official launch. So you'll have the opportunity to play the game long before then.
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Actually the NDA doesn't say you can't admit to being in this beta just that you can't disclose confidential information and does list what that information is.
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Totally flawed opinion there mate. You need to stop thinking about it from a player's perspective and see it from a developer's perpective... when things are not yet finished, added or may be removed later.. you do not want everyone talking about them, cos most consumers lack the brain power or the reasoning to understand that in some cases a beta actually is a beta. Marketing is an academic subject for a reason. NDAs are a result of consumer flaws, not the other way around.
People who complain about NDA's in BETA do not know anything about how TESTING games in DEVELOPMENT works.
Been this way for longer than you've been playing I'm sure.
Also yeah Square Enix really should start standing behind FFXIV already!
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
A game in beta is an unfinished product. There will be problems, bugs and systems that aren't up to standard. The current MMO community would stupidly use betas to dismiss games if it weren't for the NDA forcing most of them to wait for launch.
This is great news, or...at least it would be. Im a legacy member (since beta of 1.0)....but I'm currently deplyed to afghanistan until november....sad llama.
I suppose I can always get it set up once i come back for R and R in June....but I wonder if there is some expiration on those keys as well lol. In any case, good to see it's coming along, very much looking forward to playing 2.0!
Goes to show that you never read the NDA.
Wrong. A friend of mine got a key early morning yesterday and he never even played 1.0
I don't know what to tell ya then. I seen the email myself. As a legacy holder I was glad to see a non legacy get in. I have no reason to lie.
Not at all, goes to show I need glasses as I didn't see that bit.
edit: or the actual truth in that what you posted is different than what I was given!
And that's where it ends in my e-mail so that's where I got that.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
That's merely a reminder to not disclose anything you find in Beta to anyone not in Beta, which means you are restricted to discussing Beta on the Beta forums. The NDA I posted was the one you had to "read" and accept when signing up for beta. I'm pretty sure SE has been nuking "I got into Beta" threads as well on the official forums as there were a couple just the other day and have since vanished.
yup and I'm thorougly ashamed.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
What if the NDA is force because of a contract with an investor?
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"