Originally posted by dimasok I laugh when people want to force their own definitions of "grinding" on others. For some grinding might be 8 hours every day in Lineage 2 for a recipe, but for others grinding might be farming the same events for gold, xp or armor. GW2 is grindy regardless of the extent of the grind. Farming gets BORING. Boring = grind.
i did the lineage 2 grind.. holy god what a grind.. but nothing in gw2 really requires farming at all.. i had enough karma/gold by the time I hit 80 just playing through events/story/exploration/WvW/ and crafting to get exotics so i only need to farm if I want a second set or work on my legendary..
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I had a feeling you would reply with 'lol but it is a raid crap'.
Thanks for proving your bias and that you have no idea about open ended gameplay of Vanguard. And its even more ironic coming from someone who says GW2 is open ended even though majority of focus is on dungeons grind at lvl 80.
seen it pretty split my guild does lot of WvW.. lot of open world stuff like the dragons and working on map completion, some enjoy dungeons, some do sPVP, others like farming mats to craft , others like just revisting zones and wandering around doing events and getting karma
Now replace everything you said with activities in vanguard other than pvp and DE's with diplomacy and crafting / building. The guy asked for an example of open ended pve game i gave him one. I was just pointing out the irony of labeling Vanguard as just a dungeon grind crap.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
I had a feeling you would reply with 'lol but it is a raid crap'.
Thanks for proving your bias and that you have no idea about open ended gameplay of Vanguard. And its even more ironic coming from someone who says GW2 is open ended even though majority of focus is on dungeons grind at lvl 80.
seen it pretty split my guild does lot of WvW.. lot of open world stuff like the dragons and working on map completion, some enjoy dungeons, some do sPVP, others like farming mats to craft , others like just revisting zones and wandering around doing events and getting karma
Now replace everything you said with activities in vanguard other than pvp and DE's with diplomacy and crafting / building. The guy asked for an example of open ended pve game i gave him one. I was just pointing out the irony of labeling Vanguard as just a dungeon grind crap.
couldn't say personally i got bored with vanguard after 20 levels.. was just pointing out i haven't noticed gw2 having a major focus on dungeons at end game
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Now replace everything you said with activities in vanguard other than pvp and DE's with diplomacy and crafting / building. The guy asked for an example of open ended pve game i gave him one. I was just pointing out the irony of labeling Vanguard as just a dungeon grind crap.
Except Vanguard is exact opposite of open ended lol.
Its irony you calss Vanuard as one. Really shows the bias.
Yes, your feeling was right. When a game has only raiding as endgame its crap. Its exactly what poster i quoted is complaining about, exactly anti open ended.
Theres no opend ended endgame in Vanguard, thanks for providing examples.
Focus in FW2 is definatwly not dungeons, especially dungeons grind, i see that you havent even played it., but somehow you want to comment on it.
Again you are wrong. but i don't know why even took the bait. I should have known better, my bad i didn't check your posting history first before replying to you. And that is the reason why i don't want to waste more of my time in mentioning why vanguard is more than just a dungeon grind.
No point arguing with people who have already made up their mind. I have 4 lvl 80's in GW2 by the way and unlike you i never made assnine comments that GW2 is just about dungeon grind. But i did say heavy focus on it. I don't deal in bias and extremes just to make a point.
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Now replace everything you said with activities in vanguard other than pvp and DE's with diplomacy and crafting / building. The guy asked for an example of open ended pve game i gave him one. I was just pointing out the irony of labeling Vanguard as just a dungeon grind crap.
Except Vanguard is exact opposite of open ended lol.
Its irony you calss Vanuard as one. Really shows the bias.
Sure bro. I will bow out of this discussion now. Not here to do a pissing contest with you. Next time don't ask a question if you don't want the answer.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Yes, your feeling was right. When a game has only raiding as endgame its crap. Its exactly what poster i quoted is complaining about, exactly anti open ended.
Theres no opend ended endgame in Vanguard, thanks for providing examples.
Focus in FW2 is definatwly not dungeons, especially dungeons grind, i see that you havent even played it., but somehow you want to comment on it.
Again you are wrong. but i don't know why even took the bait. I should have known better, my bad i didn't check your posting history first before replying to you. And that is the reason why i don't want to waste more of my time in mentioning why vanguard is more than just a dungeon grind.
No point arguing with people who have already made up their mind. I have 4 lvl 80's in GW2 by the way and unlike you i never made assnine comments that GW2 is just about dungeon grind. But i did say heavy focus on it. I don't deal in bias and extremes just to make a point.
What bait? Vanguard is what it is. It was a boring bad game and anti open ended.
Ooooh, yes you said "heavy focus" instead "about". Now explain the difference.
Originally posted by Doogiehowse
Sure bro. I will bow out of this discussion now. Not here to do a pissing contest with you. Next time don't ask a question if you don't want the answer.
Of course you wont. You presume that nobody played Vanguard and knows nothing about it so you can just casually toss it out. Tough luck being called on it.
Next time back up your claim with anything - really.
I had a feeling you would reply with 'lol but it is a raid crap'.
Thanks for proving your bias and that you have no idea about open ended gameplay of Vanguard. And its even more ironic coming from someone who says GW2 is open ended even though majority of focus is on dungeons grind at lvl 80.
seen it pretty split my guild does lot of WvW.. lot of open world stuff like the dragons and working on map completion, some enjoy dungeons, some do sPVP, others like farming mats to craft , others like just revisting zones and wandering around doing events and getting karma
Now replace everything you said with activities in vanguard other than pvp and DE's with diplomacy and crafting / building. The guy asked for an example of open ended pve game i gave him one. I was just pointing out the irony of labeling Vanguard as just a dungeon grind crap.
couldn't say personally i got bored with vanguard after 20 levels.. was just pointing out i haven't noticed gw2 having a major focus on dungeons at end game
Fair enough. but i was talking about things to do at lvl cap in Vanguard and not whather you got bored of Vanguard after 20 levels.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Of course you wont. You presume that nobody played Vanguard and knows nothing about it so you can just casually toss it out. Tough luck being called on it.
Next time back up your claim with anything.
Lol this guy.. i wonder if you know what irony means.
And i did answer while talking to Aerowyn. You on the other hand not worth it. I think when you asked give me an example of open ended game like GW2 you actually meant 'give me answers only that i am going to like.'
Have a nice day now.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Lol this guy.. i wonder if you know what irony means.
And i did answer while talking to Aerowyn. You on the other hand not worth it. I think when you asked give me an example of open ended game like GW2 you actually meant 'give me answers only that i am going to like.'
Not worth the time.
Too bad you mentioned Vanguard lol.
You even mentioned diplomacy. Its something some people would call - epic fail lol
By now im convinced you dont know what "open ended" means.
I laugh when people want to force their own definitions of "grinding" on others. For some grinding might be 8 hours every day in Lineage 2 for a recipe, but for others grinding might be farming the same events for gold, xp or armor. GW2 is grindy regardless of the extent of the grind. Farming gets BORING. Boring = grind.
So OP, leave your own definition of grinding with yourself. GW2 can indeed by grindy as hell.
It's not my own definition. It's THE definition. It can be slightly different from person to person, but it's all around the same. This post objective was to be sure that I was not the only one thinking like this. GW2 its not grindy. And if I wasn't under the impression that you are 10 years old I would explain again why.
I laugh when people want to force their own definitions of "grinding" on others. For some grinding might be 8 hours every day in Lineage 2 for a recipe, but for others grinding might be farming the same events for gold, xp or armor. GW2 is grindy regardless of the extent of the grind. Farming gets BORING. Boring = grind.
So OP, leave your own definition of grinding with yourself. GW2 can indeed by grindy as hell.
The question is why are you grinding in GW2?
You can do all the content and move on.
The grind is there for those that want to keep playing but still or like goals.
In fact some said "there is nothing to do at end game because exotics are useless, legendaries are useless, WvW gives nothing, sPvP gives nothing, crafting can easily be maxed".
In fact those people are complaining they can do everything without the hassle of grinding.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I laugh when people want to force their own definitions of "grinding" on others. For some grinding might be 8 hours every day in Lineage 2 for a recipe, but for others grinding might be farming the same events for gold, xp or armor. GW2 is grindy regardless of the extent of the grind. Farming gets BORING. Boring = grind.
So OP, leave your own definition of grinding with yourself. GW2 can indeed by grindy as hell.
The question is why are you grinding in GW2?
You can do all the content and move on.
The grind is there for those that want to keep playing but still or like goals.
In fact some said "there is nothing to do at end game because exotics are useless, legendaries are useless, WvW gives nothing, sPvP gives nothing, crafting can easily be maxed".
In fact those people are complaining they can do everything without the hassle of grinding.
That is true indeed and I think it could lead to another different post on why are mmos so easy today.
And don't get me wrong, there is some content that is hard to complete like a dungeon but you can get to the end of a game pretty fast and it makes me feel like something is missing. (what if you don't like dungeons?)
GW2 is a grind, if you are not farming whether its for mats, tokens, karma or dungeons, what are you doing? sitting around looking pretty? If the fractuals are optional why is anyone bothering with them? if legendary is no better than exotics why are players paying hundreds (in some cases some players have spent hundreds of dollars on gems getting the mats) in gold or grinding the mats for them? have you tried farming lodestones? 2 fkn weeks grinding elementals, 1 dropped and I believe you need around 20 - 30 for a weapon. Then we have Anet who implimented DR's on farming, why? because they want players to buy gems to get the items they need. ding!!!
Ah but you can make gold through the BLTP you say, if I wanted to play stock broker I'd play the stockmarket, standing at an npc buying and selling isnt my idea of playing an mmo.
GW2 not a grind? it absolutely is when your chasing specific items.
GW2 is a grind, if you are not farming whether its for mats, tokens, karma or dungeons, what are you doing? sitting around looking pretty? If the fractuals are optional why is anyone bothering with them? if legendary is no better than exotics why are players paying hundreds (in some cases some players have spent hundreds of dollars on gems getting the mats) in gold or grinding the mats for them? have you tried farming lodestones? 2 fkn weeks grinding elementals, 1 dropped and I believe you need around 20 - 30 for a weapon. Then we have Anet who implimented DR's on farming, why? because they want players to buy gems to get the items they need. ding!!!
Ah but you can make gold through the BLTP you say, if I wanted to play stock broker I'd play the stockmarket, standing at an npc buying and selling isnt my idea of playing an mmo.
GW2 not a grind? it absolutely is when your chasing specific items.
people still on this? to some people looking badass is more important than just being stronger... it still gives the same sense of acomplishment to show off that sweet piece of gear and in many cases more so than just getting a little bit higher stats on some items.. again there is plenty of grind in gw2 but all optional. you can get to 80 get a full set of exotics and not have to sit and repeat any content at all.. there are plenty of optional grinds for things though but nothing needed to allow you to complete and compete in everything the game has to offer.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
GW2 is a grind, if you are not farming whether its for mats, tokens, karma or dungeons, what are you doing? sitting around looking pretty? If the fractuals are optional why is anyone bothering with them? if legendary is no better than exotics why are players paying hundreds (in some cases some players have spent hundreds of dollars on gems getting the mats) in gold or grinding the mats for them? have you tried farming lodestones? 2 fkn weeks grinding elementals, 1 dropped and I believe you need around 20 - 30 for a weapon. Then we have Anet who implimented DR's on farming, why? because they want players to buy gems to get the items they need. ding!!!
Ah but you can make gold through the BLTP you say, if I wanted to play stock broker I'd play the stockmarket, standing at an npc buying and selling isnt my idea of playing an mmo.
GW2 not a grind? it absolutely is when your chasing specific items.
Bingo.
Its unfortunate for your theory that those items are completely optional and if you grind you grind it because you want to grind it.
If you dont want to you dont have to.
Thats the beauty of GW2 over other games where grind is not optional and you must do it in order to continue.
If you set out to get your legendary you know what it involves. Its completely your decision to do it or not.
And no, you absolutely dont need to buy gems to get your legendary. OTOH there is an option (along with grinding gold) of buying crapton of gems and just buy legendary off market. Again, completely your decision. And im completely for this option, the more people spend on gems the better game i get in the end
GW2 is for lack of better player and character progression a very grindy game. Since there aren't any long-term goals bound to challenging one-time content, all you are left with is repeating existing content over and over again (grind) to get a chance of ascended gear getting dropped. Unlike many single player games, there is no increase in challenge accompanied with leveling up/progressing through the storyline and there is, unlike many multiplayer games, no more challenge in multiplayer games according to matchmaking and player skill. Unlike the prequel, there is no ladder to climb, no tiers/leagues etc to win and no mid- and long-term goals in WvW.
For those who like doing the same thing over and over again, because they like the gameplay and combat, GW2 is a great game. For those who like to achieve something mid- and long-term, like finishing a season of competitive play at rank #x or leaving an impact on the battlefield in WvW (read player progression), GW2 is a shallow experience.
I don't argue about fun in GW2, only about the lack of other options for other minded players. Please don't misinterpret my post as hate towards GW2. Imo, it is a great game with great gameplay and good combat, but it lacks what make games exceptional.
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i did the lineage 2 grind.. holy god what a grind.. but nothing in gw2 really requires farming at all.. i had enough karma/gold by the time I hit 80 just playing through events/story/exploration/WvW/ and crafting to get exotics so i only need to farm if I want a second set or work on my legendary..
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Now replace everything you said with activities in vanguard other than pvp and DE's with diplomacy and crafting / building. The guy asked for an example of open ended pve game i gave him one. I was just pointing out the irony of labeling Vanguard as just a dungeon grind crap.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
couldn't say personally i got bored with vanguard after 20 levels.. was just pointing out i haven't noticed gw2 having a major focus on dungeons at end game
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Except Vanguard is exact opposite of open ended lol.
Its irony you calss Vanuard as one. Really shows the bias.
Again you are wrong. but i don't know why even took the bait. I should have known better, my bad i didn't check your posting history first before replying to you. And that is the reason why i don't want to waste more of my time in mentioning why vanguard is more than just a dungeon grind.
No point arguing with people who have already made up their mind. I have 4 lvl 80's in GW2 by the way and unlike you i never made assnine comments that GW2 is just about dungeon grind. But i did say heavy focus on it. I don't deal in bias and extremes just to make a point.
Sure bro. I will bow out of this discussion now. Not here to do a pissing contest with you. Next time don't ask a question if you don't want the answer.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
What bait? Vanguard is what it is. It was a boring bad game and anti open ended.
Ooooh, yes you said "heavy focus" instead "about". Now explain the difference.
Of course you wont. You presume that nobody played Vanguard and knows nothing about it so you can just casually toss it out. Tough luck being called on it.
Next time back up your claim with anything - really.
Fair enough. but i was talking about things to do at lvl cap in Vanguard and not whather you got bored of Vanguard after 20 levels.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Lol this guy.. i wonder if you know what irony means.
And i did answer while talking to Aerowyn. You on the other hand not worth it. I think when you asked give me an example of open ended game like GW2 you actually meant 'give me answers only that i am going to like.'
Have a nice day now.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Not worth the time.
Too bad you mentioned Vanguard lol.
You even mentioned diplomacy. Its something some people would call - epic fail lol
By now im convinced you dont know what "open ended" means.
It's not my own definition. It's THE definition. It can be slightly different from person to person, but it's all around the same. This post objective was to be sure that I was not the only one thinking like this. GW2 its not grindy. And if I wasn't under the impression that you are 10 years old I would explain again why.
The question is why are you grinding in GW2?
You can do all the content and move on.
The grind is there for those that want to keep playing but still or like goals.
In fact some said "there is nothing to do at end game because exotics are useless, legendaries are useless, WvW gives nothing, sPvP gives nothing, crafting can easily be maxed".
In fact those people are complaining they can do everything without the hassle of grinding.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
That is true indeed and I think it could lead to another different post on why are mmos so easy today.
And don't get me wrong, there is some content that is hard to complete like a dungeon but you can get to the end of a game pretty fast and it makes me feel like something is missing. (what if you don't like dungeons?)
GW2 is a grind, if you are not farming whether its for mats, tokens, karma or dungeons, what are you doing? sitting around looking pretty? If the fractuals are optional why is anyone bothering with them? if legendary is no better than exotics why are players paying hundreds (in some cases some players have spent hundreds of dollars on gems getting the mats) in gold or grinding the mats for them? have you tried farming lodestones? 2 fkn weeks grinding elementals, 1 dropped and I believe you need around 20 - 30 for a weapon. Then we have Anet who implimented DR's on farming, why? because they want players to buy gems to get the items they need. ding!!!
Ah but you can make gold through the BLTP you say, if I wanted to play stock broker I'd play the stockmarket, standing at an npc buying and selling isnt my idea of playing an mmo.
GW2 not a grind? it absolutely is when your chasing specific items.
people still on this? to some people looking badass is more important than just being stronger... it still gives the same sense of acomplishment to show off that sweet piece of gear and in many cases more so than just getting a little bit higher stats on some items.. again there is plenty of grind in gw2 but all optional. you can get to 80 get a full set of exotics and not have to sit and repeat any content at all.. there are plenty of optional grinds for things though but nothing needed to allow you to complete and compete in everything the game has to offer.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Bingo.
Its unfortunate for your theory that those items are completely optional and if you grind you grind it because you want to grind it.
If you dont want to you dont have to.
Thats the beauty of GW2 over other games where grind is not optional and you must do it in order to continue.
If you set out to get your legendary you know what it involves. Its completely your decision to do it or not.
And no, you absolutely dont need to buy gems to get your legendary. OTOH there is an option (along with grinding gold) of buying crapton of gems and just buy legendary off market. Again, completely your decision. And im completely for this option, the more people spend on gems the better game i get in the end