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DAoC was good for a couple of years, until ToA. MJ had a good game for two years, and then spent the next four years ruining it. Then he took that "sidam touch" to WHO as well. I'm sure he's all but perfected it and we'll see how much it shows in CU.
Personally, I wouldn't touch a Mark Jacobs game if you paid me to play it.
I can understand your feeling and I can respect your point of view. It is understandable that if Mr. Jacobs wants to redeem himself to some of his former player base he has a lot to deliver.
He sure does. First he has to rebuild his credibility as a game developer. Then he can go about creating a good game. A tall order, IMO.
As far as rebuilting his credibility in the eyes of his former player base there is not much he can do beside make an MMO and with the way the mmo market is today with almost every new game a WoW clone that fails in the first few months he really didnt have to many options.
If CU is going to be like GW2 money wise I think I will have a go at it.
As of right now its to early to tell which way the game will go.
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Please specifically explain what promises Mr. Jacobs made with WAR that he did not keep (personally)?
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
Filing papers counts as experience? Because I'd imagine that's about all you did wiithout some sort of bachelors in CE or CompSci.
You cant really put all the blame on MJ or EA, but when you are the LEAD game designer, you will get most of the hate if it sucks.
Hopefully MJ can fix his rep with this game.
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Remember the last time he wasn't tied to a major publisher? Oh that's right, we got DAoC.
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This thread is hilarious, first we have the MJ haters, who arguably have good reason to distrust the man, then we have the MJ fanbois (myself included), and we have people waving around their e-peen riding their steeds of righteousness that everything they preach is gospel because they have xx years doing xx so they must be right.
Right let me first weigh in with the epeeners, ive worked in the UK for some of the largest companies we have, BBC, Lloyds of London, Societe Generale (ok they are french but they have a branch in London :P) and i have worked at Microsoft in the US and im now back in the UK managing a Telecomms helpdesk which i happen to love. Ontop of this im studying a Degree in Software Development, is any of this relevent? hell no, does any of this make me know more about the software industry? hell no. Get my point? if you dont i dont know how else to spell it out for you.
MJ made a brilliant game, DAOC, it gathered popularity, enter bigger company, choices were made, playerbase didnt like some of the changes, yada yada the rest is history.
MJ then makes WHO, incidentaly after it was already canned by GW who had a previous company making the game, and had actually made a fair bit of the game from what i could gather, GW had invested alot of money into this already, got canned, Mythic got offered the job, they took it up, enter EA, it all kinda went to $hit from there im guessing, its no secret to anyone with half an ounce of intelligence and google to come up with the general bad taste EA leaves in most peoples mouths.
im going to put my personal opinion in here, EA wanted this cash cow released, shizzle got cut from the development schedule due to time issues, probably with a promise from EA bigwigs that it could be added later, then end result was WHO, which as anyone can attest, was attrocious mainly (i bought 3 physical CE copies, woah is me)
MJ gets hung out to dry because he probably blindly thought that despite all the cuts and whatnot he could hopefully salvage something from the game and probably bring in the missing bits over time, never quite worked out.
So MJ does what he thinks is best, takes time out, looks at the general state of the MMORPG industry and realises theres still a gaping chasm for a pure RVR type game, goes back to the drawing board, doesnt fix what isnt broken and comes up with CU, and this is where we are now.
So if you wanna bash MJ, go for it, but give him some credit for getting back on the horse he has fallen off, takes alot of guts to do that, and even more to do so in such a public way and needless to say WITH HIS OWN MONEY.
MJ if your reading this, please get the kickstarter up ASAP, i have money waiting to invest in you mate.
The alternative was to just laugh at you because I know my own educational and employment background. I'm an environmental modeler and animator. There's really no reason to continue, as you're obviously one of the many millions of internet users that live by the belief that everything that spews out of their mouth is the only truth. Afterall, if it's on the internet it must be true.
Either way, not going to continue to derail the thread. If you want to further discuss it, you're welcome to send me a private message. I just find it exceptionally annoying when people that have no viable experience or education consistently badger developers in a completely ignorant manner. It's not productive for the community or the industry itself.
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Your 24 years oldWait, what?
What exactly is he doing with his own money, if he is setting up a kickstarter campaign, asking people to give him money, to pay for CU?
Surely, if he was creating CU with his own money, as you start out suggesting, and even say we should give him credit for doing so, he would not need to have a kickstarter campaign at all.
At the end of the day, I could not give a rats ass about what he did in the past, or how he did it, but I do think he is taking the piss a bit now, expecting people to hand over cash for what amounts to nothing but blog posts.
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If 2$mln will be collected Mark will invest also his money as he stated. 2$mln is not enough to produce a game. He is checking by creating kickstarter if there is enough demand for this game. What's more it's very cool way to preorder game. People preorder many games but there are always mediators between producer. Because of it producers get probably about 30-50% of the value. Here we can give 100% to the developers. Because of the kickstarter you can have a game without the company above him who would tell him what to do like EA.
totaly agreed. the ideas they had in beta (and actually till shot before release) were awesome. then they found a pulisher, and they told em to do this and that... scrap the 3rd city and so on.
publishers want games out fast, to make money. obviously, that's their job.
and THAT's the advantage we get through kickstarter.
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Yeah theres a large chance the game will be medicore at best for many.
DAoC is a game based on awesome ideas, was the first MMO I ever tried and I bought the box purely off the sales pitch. Might not sound like a big thing but the number of games I've bought with no knowledge beyond whats on the box you can count on one hand. The game itself though was . . . an acquired taste.
WAR on the other hand was a game just full of bad decisions. Was it all MJs fault? Probably not but he was still the man in charge. If anyone was going to say "Hey, maybe we should make it so players actually fight each other?" it should have been him and obviously he didn't say it enough, if ever.
So yeah, other people do share your sentiment.
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