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pretty much this. Why have an Elder Scrolls game at all, if it isn't going to be anything like Elder Scrolls? Then it can be like any other MMO...and if that is the case...why have it be Elder Scrolls to begin with?
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In WoW beta, for over 9 months the Foresaken could speak common and would chat with the humans all the time. Which was also the start of initial Terran Mill fun and drama that became the first real open-world PvP that WoW had consistently.
The spying aspect and putting your trust in someone who could actually understand them was great and a lot of outraged happened when it was taken away. Regardless, thinking that false restrictions assist with RvR is idiotic. Welcome to 2013, things have changed.
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It seems lke Matt had a great design vision, then the publishers stepped in and started screaming about how it has to be more like WoW, more instanced, more like GW2!!
The disconnect shows. Check out this pathetic interview quote where the guy totally dodges/misunderstands the question.
"Why did you go in a direction that so heavily favors more rigid zones, quests, and things of the like?
Nick Konkle: Certainly meshing those two has always been our main design philosophy, what we strive very hard to do. I think maybe the missing element was first-person, experiencing it in that way."
So many times in that interview they say "We could do this really cool thing, but someone might not get to experience it!" They don't seem to understand that that is PART of the experience, and that if you try to please everyone, you please no one.
It has to be radically different to be an MMO. That's why its an MMO and not a single player game. And even with this change it's still going to be nothing like single player elder scrolls game. Elders scrolls was never about MMO. That's why a completely different studio is making this instead of the guys that made the original elder scrolls games. They want nothing to do with MMO. If you want true elder scrolls, you should have nothing to do with MMO either.
Yeah they are caving hard. Its sad to see but now the game will be put on my back burner. Will wait to see how it turns out a month or two after launch since its starting to get butchered up. All hope is lost.
At first they were trying to be like WoW and everyone hated it. then they tried to be like DAoC and people got excited,now they have no idea what they are, and neither do we. It sounds like this game is goin to be 100% instanced and phased on top of that. What a joke.
This is an Elder Scrolls game.
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They could have gotten a lot closer to being an es game if they hadn't decided to just make a themepark. Ultima Online was a successful conversion of a singleplayer game to multiplayer.
This is just not true mate. I want an mmo elders scroll with a huge seamless world, with a zillion things to do like exploring ,crafting, socializing and no pvp at all. Who says mmos have to be about factions and pvp?
Why dont you people support a daoc unchained with no pve and let this be a pve haven and time will tell which will survive and gather the most interest. My bet the pve teso would be the winner.
As it stands now nobody is happy..
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So is ES Adventures: Redguard. But it was completely different. Don't be so assinine to believe an IP can't evolve and become something other than it's original form.
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What makes something a "false restriction?" Why are you guys always making up terms. "Real ...", "true ...", "false ..."
And that thing was just for frosaken and they couldn't group with alliance. It would have been way different if there were no barriers between all races. And it does help with RvR. That's why on GW2 you fight people from other servers. The feeling of fighting for a faction or server is different. I think they way they explained how the game was going to be in the beginning would have been much more interesting. Now I just go and fighting a bunch of people at random without anything that sets them apart except that their name is red.
They will probably change that soon and maybe you can hold hands and dance with the other factions or maybe join all 3 and play jump rope together. This thing is turning into a joke of who cries the most and they are now showing that they will bend to whoever that is. My out look for this game has just fallen.
But who would say ES Adventures: Redguard was "true" elder scrolls. The reason I'm arguing about this is to try to make people understand that it's dumb to say "this is what a REAL/TRUE (w/e game) should be like". People are more happy now because they think this is more true to elder scrolls, but then they say the series should evolve. So now that something new was going to come out, they complain. Such contradictions...
All this BS in the forums about "I want... I want... I want..." Someday you people will realize that the world doesn't revolve around you, and that this entitled mentality destroys art.
All you really want is a repackaged, resealed version of everything that you've played before. You fear the new and unknown without realizing that, at one time in your life, everything was unknown and interesting, and that you discovered you liked those things. The only way you're ever going to discover new things to like now is if someone crams them down your throat.
Na it'll be some other abomination. If they had stuck to making Elder Scrolls a MMO, they could have had one of the best PVE MMOs in a long time. Instead they want to be the one stop shop for all of your pve, pvp, and dungeon crawling needs.Of course it's all going to have to be fair which means constant nerf/rebalancing of classes, instancing, and general homogenization.
That's why it was never on top of my to watch list, well that and the fact that Bethesda refused to have any part of it (and that alone speaks volumes about what Zenimax wanted to do with it in the first place.)
After seeing how they are doing crafting this is reminding me more and more of DAoC. I dont think they would mess up faction pride by having everyone team together from every faction unless the game was failing and there was not enough players to support teaming.
@Nanfoodle:
"Sage assuaged most of my fears, however, when he mentioned that once you hit level 50 and decide to play in another alliance's areas, you'll be able to play with friends in that faction. So at the endgame, things begin to open up and you can group up, chat, and run dungeons with players of other factions. The one area where things remain separate is, of course, the Alliance War in Cyrodiil." - Link
One of the keys to being a good game designer is to know when to NOT listen to the fanbase. In this instance, you design a game around locked factions, locked zones and locked faction communication. This is meant to create faction pride and to a greater extent, faction hatred.
Now ESO is suffering from an identity crisis. No one is going to care once they reach max level and the shackles are dropped. How can you have pride for or hatred against factions that you are now friends with? I'm not even suggesting that being able to play with everyone is a bad thing. However, I think it is a bad thing when you combine it with a leveling experience that is meant to lock it out. Either do one or the other, not both. It doesn't make sense and now PvP is nothing more than a three-way death match for no reason. It's literally DAoC PvP without any rhyme or reason. They took away one of the most important aspects of what made the RvRvR so good.
The WHY.
And off topic. I hate the instancing that this game will have in the PvP areas. Why is it that games from a decade or more ago can handle hundreds of players in the same area, and with all the technological advancements we have now, no damn AAA game developer can manage to pull it off? Or housing? Or ships?
This is a money grab. I bet bethesda is crapping their pants right now. Matt Firor and Zenimax is just about to destroy their franchise in the online space.
There's roughly 24 other things they need to fix before truly calling this an Elder Scrolls game.
2002 was great for DAoC, sure. This game should just change it's title and not be considered an ES game anyway.
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Thats a fail. Sad!!!!! Well we almost had a good game. My hope now rests in Wildstar
I want is not wrong in anyway . As a consumer of and mmo product i want to invest my money and energy in it is important that a certain criteria is met. In this case teso has a history of being just a huge open world and producing an mmo worthy of its history without all this pvp garbage would actually be something new in the mmo world. I say the first who produce and mmo with a huge open world and no pvp will be a huge success. Cause there are a zillion more mmo players who prefer pve rather then pvp. Dont understand why the devs and mmo companies have nt figured that simple equation out yet..
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