Originally posted by Cromica lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.
They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.
Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?
B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.
Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..
That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.
If you think it is worth paying $180 a year to get some occasional (I had none with GW2 so far, and I had to contact them because of GW1 like once or twice) problem (maybe) solved in slightly less time...
But maybe you also buy professional software and hardware instead, so you can have customer service 24/7...
I dislike RNG as well. Luckly the RNG black lion chests don't really have anything game breaking and you can get the keys in game or use in game money (around 3g) to buy a key as well.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Originally posted by Cromica lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.
They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.
Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?
B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.
Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..
That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.
I dunno I think i prefer mdoerators actually rmeoving pointless posts than have forums like so many of the subscription based games had where no one ver gets banned because hey, can't ban someone who pays you 15 bucks a month, that would be silly.
As for RNG in cash shop. Right. Weapon skins. That give you no advantage whatsoever because they are just skins you apply to actual weapon.. Sure you can sell them on TP for gold...that you can spend on other cosmetic skins. Oddly enough I'm not that bothered by such RNG.
Originally posted by stevebombsquad Originally posted by Gaia_HunterOriginally posted by DoogiehowserOriginally posted by gordifluOriginally posted by StanlyStankoOriginally posted by Cromicalol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.
They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.
Funny, I had to contact Customer Service regarding a hacked+banned account (my 1st in >10y of MMOs o/!) ; they replied within 30 mins and I had to use that service like 5 times more within a few days....all have been dealt with swift and with satisfying results.
It felt like Heaven compared to the Customer Service like SWG-SOE used to have.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Originally posted by Cromica lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.
They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.
Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?
B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.
Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..
That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.
Hmmm, so, paying mandatory 180$/year is better than if you very occasionally might spend some money in cash shop (speaking of GW2 here, not every game out there) or just buying gems with ingame gold.
How does that makes sense?
true, there are some preety bad cash shops out there, but to generalize to such degree.
I actually prefer B2P/F2P with good cash shop like GW2. It makes devs work much harder so people feel like spending money on fluff because they enjoy the game.
2nd is banning of cheaters/exploiters which almost never happens in P2P games but ANet have no problem with that, they ban on regular basis.
3rd it enables people who really dont have 15/month but enjoy the game to still play it with their friends
4th do i really need to link horror stories about customer service in P2P games?
People keep on forgetting or having memory loss on Rift start up with Trion and WoW with Blizzard. Both companies ignored stuff, like my Rift account was hacked because of a flaw in the game login and was still there 3-4 months after game release (THE COINLOCK HELPED but the flaw was still there). Blizzard on the other had, couldn't care less that people couldn't log in and told me tough luck.
People take off the rose coloured glasses when talking about any customer service in games, especially P2P games.
GW2 has the same balance issues alot of games do, but atleast they don't do dramatic changes to screw over the entire game's balance. (SWTOR/WoW) I am pretty happy with the state of balance in the game considering. I don't really ever expect an MMO to be balanced. All my previous favorite MMOs --ironically enough -- had completely broken balance. (DAOC,UO,EQ1,WoW,AO,Rift)
If you were to look at the amount of bullet points for the engineer (individual changes) versus other classes in the patch notes, it is clear the engie is a priority for Anet. Whether or not the class is where they they envision it, who knows.
Is the engie a much harder class to play well than the thief, of course it is. Does it mean the thief is overpowered, absolutely not.
To really make my point, I will show a (RECENT) video of an engie. This video shows the engie being able to do things even the best thief could not dream of doing. Another point to remember, Teldo (the person playing this engie), competes among the most skilled people in sPvP.
Once you even begin to approach this level of skill, then I guess you have room to complain about the class. Other classes that have a high skill cieling are also called broken or underpowered, I am guessing those people don't take a lot of time to learn thier class.
To end on a light note, another funny engie video.
Someone is unhappy with some balance changes to a videogame!
Unheard of!
Especially changes made to the class they play.
I would say anyone still playing this game must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome, since the game is so unplayable.
So you still playing the game?
I know right? Who has ever heard of an unbalanced mmo, it's outrageus is what it is. Scandalous, I mean seeing as that every other mmo is balanced to perfection how dare Anet punish players like this.
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
I would love to add so much more, but I'm starting to feel like I'm hurting egos and walking on egg shells by someone who keeps reporting me.
Lol oh, well. Nice video though, that had given me some ideas to use with my engineer.
I read your reply before it was mod edit. I am pretty sure you were reported because you were attacking OP on basis of his posting history which is against TOS and it has been made very clear on more than one ocassion.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
It's patch day and I spent all day trying to discover just what they fixed over there. Nothing apparently, which is pretty much par for the course at this point for engineers. So in lieu of today's patch notes, please enjoy this video showing the short history up to today of how Arenanet has handled balance in their title since launch.
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
I would love to add so much more, but I'm starting to feel like I'm hurting egos and walking on egg shells by someone who keeps reporting me.
Lol oh, well. Nice video though, that had given me some ideas to use with my engineer.
I read your reply before it was mod edit. I am pretty sure you were reported because you were attacking OP on basis of his posting history which is against TOS and it has been made very clear on more than one ocassion.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
here are 2 more videos without incendiary Powder. Two very different builds then the one he linked. Not so limited.
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
Right on cue
Have you tried this build? drop that one trait and see how useless this build becomes. Also yes it is the build and he is not the only engi who uses this. Whatever few engis i see in PVP spam this build running in circles. Could you explain me what is so amazing about the way he is playing? because that is the only way to play this build.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
Right on cue
Have you tried this build? drop that one trait and see how useless this build becomes. Also yes it is the build and he is not the only engi who uses this. Whatever few engis i see in PVP spam this build running in circles. Could you explain me what is so amazing about the way he is playing? because that is the only way to play this build.
Dont ask us.
I just showed you where to access the entire library of videos of a skillful engie.
This is a person who consistently put foot to ass, despite those who said, "this class is completely broken."
Before you or anyone else decides to comment further, ask yourself, do I know my class as much as I think I do?
First is elite balance, balance of classes for top players, that know very well what they are doing and they can execute it very well as well. They don't do as many rookie mistakes and they have fairly fast reflexes. They say this is where balance is not too bad (see the engi video above).
Second is noob balance. This is balance for casual players, players that don't study all classes extensively, are usually fairly clumsy etc. etc. No doubt elite player will destroy casual player balance or not balance.
These are two completely different stories... glass cannon thief would be totally destroyed in elite level, while he is extremely lethal in casual level ("omg! he kills me in one hit!" syndrome). Most people care about casual level really. This is where thieves and mesmers (and imo guardians also) shine. They are super easy to play. And that's why they are felt "OP". Their abilities are confusing for casual player. Once you see through it, they are not so difficult anymore.
I just want to point out that saying "elite level is fine, l2p noob" is not right in my opinion. Balance should be fine in more levels of player skill. As an example, if mesmer would be a bit more distinguished from his clones, that would have next to no effect on elite level (where player can distinguish mesmer anyway), but helped a lot in casual level.
First is elite balance, balance of classes for top players, that know very well what they are doing and they can execute it very well as well. They don't do as many rookie mistakes and they have fairly fast reflexes. They say this is where balance is not too bad (see the engi video above).
Second is noob balance. This is balance for casual players, players that don't study all classes extensively, are usually fairly clumsy etc. etc. No doubt elite player will destroy casual player balance or not balance.
These are two completely different stories... glass cannon thief would be totally destroyed in elite level, while he is extremely lethal in casual level ("omg! he kills me in one hit!" syndrome). Most people care about casual level really. This is where thieves and mesmers (and imo guardians also) shine. They are super easy to play. And that's why they are felt "OP". Their abilities are confusing for casual player. Once you see through it, they are not so difficult anymore.
I just want to point out that saying "elite level is fine, l2p noob" is not right in my opinion. Balance should be fine in more levels of player skill. As an example, if mesmer would be a bit more distinguished from his clones, that would have next to no effect on elite level (where player can distinguish mesmer anyway), but helped a lot in casual level.
Your approach reduces the skill ceiling, something not particularly good.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
Right on cue
Have you tried this build? drop that one trait and see how useless this build becomes. Also yes it is the build and he is not the only engi who uses this. Whatever few engis i see in PVP spam this build running in circles. Could you explain me what is so amazing about the way he is playing? because that is the only way to play this build.
Dont ask us.
I just showed you where to access the entire library of videos of a skillful engie.
This is a person who consistently put foot to ass, despite those who said, "this class is completely broken."
Before you or anyone else decides to comment further, ask yourself, do I know my class as much as I think I do?
The answer is probably no.
Cease the bitching, study more.
Two posts one of which i mentioned where the majority of damage comes from and second one which asks if the guy posting the link has even tried the build himself is hardly a bitching.
Cease being defensive and learn to be more tolerant.
And yes it is a legitimate question and that is why i am asking..how many of you have even tried this build. This build is not such a big secret like i already mentioned and is the 'only' most viable build for the engis in PVP thanks to incendary powder trait.
Am i surprised that it is always the same three or four people who jump in for damange control everytime something negattive even if legitimate concern or issue comes up? nope.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Two posts one of which i mentioned where the majority of damage comes from and second one which asks if the guy posting the link has even tried the build himself is hardly a bitching.
Cease beign defensive and learn toeeb more tolerant.
And yes it is a legitimate question and that is why i am asking..how many of you have even tried this build. This build is not such a big secret like i already mentioned and is the 'only most viable build for the engis in PVP thanks to incendary powder trait.
If something is a 'crutch' and the 'only thing' that makes a build work, that thing is covering a problem.
Most MMOs deal with this by buffing the build in other areas and limiting the crutch.
How long it takes and what form they take are up to each MMO developer but that's the current game design that most follow.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Two posts one of which i mentioned where the majority of damage comes from and second one which asks if the guy posting the link has even tried the build himself is hardly a bitching.
Cease beign defensive and learn toeeb more tolerant.
And yes it is a legitimate question and that is why i am asking..how many of you have even tried this build. This build is not such a big secret like i already mentioned and is the 'only most viable build for the engis in PVP thanks to incendary powder trait.
If something is a 'crutch' and the 'only thing' that makes a build work, that thing is covering a problem.
Most MMOs deal with this by buffing the build in other areas and limiting the crutch.
How long it takes and what form they take are up to each MMO developer but that's the current game design that most follow.
Well right now if all Engineers are happy following a cookie cutter build good for them. But the fact is that comapred to other classes Engineers have the most un used skills because they are completely useless in their current form.
Even KR which used to be such an important trait for all Engineer build has been nerfed and made useless. Engineers only have two skills to pick from Kits and Elixers.
If you PVP a lot how many times you see engineers using gadgets, turrets etc? more than half of the skills are not being used and that in itself shows the problem with this class.
But hey look at me i posted some cookie cutter build on you tube which every damn engineer is using..so this class must be ok.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Well right now if all Engineers are happy following a cookie cutter build good for them. But the fact is that comapred to other classes Engineers have the most un used skills because they are completely useless in their current form.
Even KR which used to be such an important trait for all Engineer build has been nerfed and made useless. Engineers only have to skills to pick from Kits and Elixers.
If you PVP a lot how many times yous ee engineers using gadgets, turrets etc? more than half of the skills are not being used and that in itself shows the problem with this class.
But hey look at me i posted some cookie cutter build on you tube which every damn engineer is using..so this class must be ok.
I have no interest in playing an Engineer as they don't appeal to me but weren't they one of the most sought after class for fitting well for all classes?
This was at release when things weren't quite working as intended though.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Originally posted by Doogiehowser Lol..funny video. Engineer is my main. I have been waiting for them to bring Engineer on par with other classes but i guess it is never going to happen.
This class hasn't been anywhere near what their class videos looked like at launch and that's saying something because the class wasn't OP at launch it had some exploits but so far all they've done since the first month is break it every patch that's all we see. They need to hire a physicist and an ex military officer to help them understand the damage that these weapons do. But like you I've given up on hope for it.
Originally posted by Cromica lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.
They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.
Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?
B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.
Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..
They used to work with their customers prelaunch but 2 months after launch they lost their everloving minds or something because Nov 2012 is when this new attitude of we don't give a crap began.
Originally posted by Celcius GW2 has the same balance issues alot of games do, but atleast they don't do dramatic changes to screw over the entire game's balance. (SWTOR/WoW) I am pretty happy with the state of balance in the game considering. I don't really ever expect an MMO to be balanced. All my previous favorite MMOs --ironically enough -- had completely broken balance. (DAOC,UO,EQ1,WoW,AO,Rift)
If you were to look at the amount of bullet points for the engineer (individual changes) versus other classes in the patch notes, it is clear the engie is a priority for Anet. Whether or not the class is where they they envision it, who knows.
Is the engie a much harder class to play well than the thief, of course it is. Does it mean the thief is overpowered, absolutely not.
To really make my point, I will show a (RECENT) video of an engie. This video shows the engie being able to do things even the best thief could not dream of doing. Another point to remember, Teldo (the person playing this engie), competes among the most skilled people in sPvP.
Once you even begin to approach this level of skill, then I guess you have room to complain about the class. Other classes that have a high skill cieling are also called broken or underpowered, I am guessing those people don't take a lot of time to learn thier class.
To end on a light note, another funny engie video.
TL:DR the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.
Yet another PVP video, we're not talking about that. PVE has been broken on the engineer since 2 months post launch and they STILL haven't fixed it yet, and all we keep getting from people is the argument that it's fine in pvp well that's great but that's not the entire audience they attracted to their title with their manifesto so....yeah.
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If you think it is worth paying $180 a year to get some occasional (I had none with GW2 so far, and I had to contact them because of GW1 like once or twice) problem (maybe) solved in slightly less time...
But maybe you also buy professional software and hardware instead, so you can have customer service 24/7...
I dislike RNG as well. Luckly the RNG black lion chests don't really have anything game breaking and you can get the keys in game or use in game money (around 3g) to buy a key as well.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I dunno I think i prefer mdoerators actually rmeoving pointless posts than have forums like so many of the subscription based games had where no one ver gets banned because hey, can't ban someone who pays you 15 bucks a month, that would be silly.
As for RNG in cash shop. Right. Weapon skins. That give you no advantage whatsoever because they are just skins you apply to actual weapon.. Sure you can sell them on TP for gold...that you can spend on other cosmetic skins. Oddly enough I'm not that bothered by such RNG.
Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?
B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.
Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..
That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.
Funny, I had to contact Customer Service regarding a hacked+banned account (my 1st in >10y of MMOs o/!) ; they replied within 30 mins and I had to use that service like 5 times more within a few days....all have been dealt with swift and with satisfying results.
It felt like Heaven compared to the Customer Service like SWG-SOE used to have.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Hmmm, so, paying mandatory 180$/year is better than if you very occasionally might spend some money in cash shop (speaking of GW2 here, not every game out there) or just buying gems with ingame gold.
How does that makes sense?
true, there are some preety bad cash shops out there, but to generalize to such degree.
I actually prefer B2P/F2P with good cash shop like GW2. It makes devs work much harder so people feel like spending money on fluff because they enjoy the game.
2nd is banning of cheaters/exploiters which almost never happens in P2P games but ANet have no problem with that, they ban on regular basis.
3rd it enables people who really dont have 15/month but enjoy the game to still play it with their friends
4th do i really need to link horror stories about customer service in P2P games?
People keep on forgetting or having memory loss on Rift start up with Trion and WoW with Blizzard. Both companies ignored stuff, like my Rift account was hacked because of a flaw in the game login and was still there 3-4 months after game release (THE COINLOCK HELPED but the flaw was still there). Blizzard on the other had, couldn't care less that people couldn't log in and told me tough luck.
People take off the rose coloured glasses when talking about any customer service in games, especially P2P games.
A couple of points for consideration:
I know right? Who has ever heard of an unbalanced mmo, it's outrageus is what it is. Scandalous, I mean seeing as that every other mmo is balanced to perfection how dare Anet punish players like this.
^So much this it isn't even funny^ I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.
I would love to add so much more, but I'm starting to feel like I'm hurting egos and walking on egg shells by someone who keeps reporting me.
Lol oh, well. Nice video though, that had given me some ideas to use with my engineer.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
I read your reply before it was mod edit. I am pretty sure you were reported because you were attacking OP on basis of his posting history which is against TOS and it has been made very clear on more than one ocassion.
Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
So let's get this straight :
1) You don't like the engineer
2)You don't like the Trading Post
3)You don't like crafting
4) You don't like the games economy
5)You don't like the loot for DE's map completions or worlds bosses
6)You don't like the personal story
7)You don't like ascended gear
8)You don't like wvwvw
9)You don't like dungeons
10)You don't like Anet's management
Perhaps mmo's aren't your calling ?
here are 2 more videos without incendiary Powder. Two very different builds then the one he linked. Not so limited.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0pfO5s9pi0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XUkNrrJz43Q
Right on cue
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
Have you tried this build? drop that one trait and see how useless this build becomes. Also yes it is the build and he is not the only engi who uses this. Whatever few engis i see in PVP spam this build running in circles. Could you explain me what is so amazing about the way he is playing? because that is the only way to play this build."The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Dont ask us.
I just showed you where to access the entire library of videos of a skillful engie.
This is a person who consistently put foot to ass, despite those who said, "this class is completely broken."
Before you or anyone else decides to comment further, ask yourself, do I know my class as much as I think I do?
The answer is probably no.
Cease the bitching, study more.
I think you need 2 approaches to balance.
First is elite balance, balance of classes for top players, that know very well what they are doing and they can execute it very well as well. They don't do as many rookie mistakes and they have fairly fast reflexes. They say this is where balance is not too bad (see the engi video above).
Second is noob balance. This is balance for casual players, players that don't study all classes extensively, are usually fairly clumsy etc. etc. No doubt elite player will destroy casual player balance or not balance.
These are two completely different stories... glass cannon thief would be totally destroyed in elite level, while he is extremely lethal in casual level ("omg! he kills me in one hit!" syndrome). Most people care about casual level really. This is where thieves and mesmers (and imo guardians also) shine. They are super easy to play. And that's why they are felt "OP". Their abilities are confusing for casual player. Once you see through it, they are not so difficult anymore.
I just want to point out that saying "elite level is fine, l2p noob" is not right in my opinion. Balance should be fine in more levels of player skill. As an example, if mesmer would be a bit more distinguished from his clones, that would have next to no effect on elite level (where player can distinguish mesmer anyway), but helped a lot in casual level.
Your approach reduces the skill ceiling, something not particularly good.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Two posts one of which i mentioned where the majority of damage comes from and second one which asks if the guy posting the link has even tried the build himself is hardly a bitching.
Cease being defensive and learn to be more tolerant.
And yes it is a legitimate question and that is why i am asking..how many of you have even tried this build. This build is not such a big secret like i already mentioned and is the 'only' most viable build for the engis in PVP thanks to incendary powder trait.
Am i surprised that it is always the same three or four people who jump in for damange control everytime something negattive even if legitimate concern or issue comes up? nope.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
If something is a 'crutch' and the 'only thing' that makes a build work, that thing is covering a problem.
Most MMOs deal with this by buffing the build in other areas and limiting the crutch.
How long it takes and what form they take are up to each MMO developer but that's the current game design that most follow.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Well right now if all Engineers are happy following a cookie cutter build good for them. But the fact is that comapred to other classes Engineers have the most un used skills because they are completely useless in their current form.
Even KR which used to be such an important trait for all Engineer build has been nerfed and made useless. Engineers only have two skills to pick from Kits and Elixers.
If you PVP a lot how many times you see engineers using gadgets, turrets etc? more than half of the skills are not being used and that in itself shows the problem with this class.
But hey look at me i posted some cookie cutter build on you tube which every damn engineer is using..so this class must be ok.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
I have no interest in playing an Engineer as they don't appeal to me but weren't they one of the most sought after class for fitting well for all classes?
This was at release when things weren't quite working as intended though.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
This class hasn't been anywhere near what their class videos looked like at launch and that's saying something because the class wasn't OP at launch it had some exploits but so far all they've done since the first month is break it every patch that's all we see. They need to hire a physicist and an ex military officer to help them understand the damage that these weapons do. But like you I've given up on hope for it.
They used to work with their customers prelaunch but 2 months after launch they lost their everloving minds or something because Nov 2012 is when this new attitude of we don't give a crap began.
You've never played an engineer I take it....
Yet another PVP video, we're not talking about that. PVE has been broken on the engineer since 2 months post launch and they STILL haven't fixed it yet, and all we keep getting from people is the argument that it's fine in pvp well that's great but that's not the entire audience they attracted to their title with their manifesto so....yeah.