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You exploited these forums. This thread is about that very issue of you exploiting -.-
I'm going to grab some popcorn, brb!
Ok... Guys... Take it easy on JamesP. He's not the one who started this whole fiasco. He's the one who's been stuck with the very uncomfortable job of damage control for Jason Appleton's blunder. He never asked for any of this. It may be the half of bottle of Rum I've consumed tonight talking but he seems like a pretty decent guy stuck in a very uncomfortable position. Your ire should be directed at Jason and not JamesP.
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ever hear of guilt by association? who you choose to work with or for says a lot about your character.
Exactly. Like it or not, you will be judged by the company you keep. A shame, because JamesP seems like a decent guy. Make no mistake though, when this game fails Mr. Appleton will throw the entire team under the bus without a second thought in order to save his own skin. I've worked for far too many people like him, and am very familiar with that type of person.
JamesP, if you value your reputation as a programmer, you will leave this company at the earliest opportunity. Your boss is far too egotistical & sue-happy, and I don't forsee this project ending in anything but tears.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/grimoire-forever/
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Sometimes the criticism is warrented. In this case much of it was.
Any feedback is good feeback. What's worse than negative feedback is no feedback. It's the gaming industry so people are going to say alot of things and not all of them are going to be nice especially to people who are really passionate about gaming. If I made a game that was the next thing and wasn't receing any feedback I'd be worried so any feedback is good despite sometimes being lame and stupid.
I think Jason's main job is something non gamer anyways.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
If one person associated with Greed Monger is threatening lawsuits because he doesn't like the game getting criticized in online forums, and another person associated with the game is actually coming here and saying non-incendiary things in the midst of withering criticism, let's not confuse the two. I have a good bit of respect for anyone who can wade into an avalanche of criticism pointed his direction and try his best to answer it.
Maybe JamesP will decide that Greed Monger is enough of a fiasco that he'll give up on it. Or maybe he knows that there are good things going on behind the scenes that we can't see from here and the attacks will blow over soon enough. But let's not blame him for the antics of Jason Appleton, okay? Brenelael is right.
"Maybe one day we'll re-add the game to our list, but that depends on whether or not our users are allowed to post about it without the site being under threat of legal recourse."
Welcome to another factor in the wonderful modern world of MMO's and gaming. We now have MMO's not yet made threaterning legal action about negative comments. How long before this thread gets deleted? But remeber guys, MMO's and gaming are doing wonderully, never better, keep taking those happy pills!
Bill,
I have to say that I'm saddened by your postings here.
#1. I made it clear in my email to you that I had no intentions of taking legal action against mmorpg.com but I did present clear cases of slander and defamation suits that this website is known for harboring. I understand that such things are great for page views and thus advertising revenue, but the intention of my email was to simply remove the slandering and defaming posts from this site that the people who created them continued to post in other mediums.
One of these cases I presented in that email was this one:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-10-internet-defamation-case_x.htm
Another such case is this one: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/jury-awards-13-million-texas-defamation-suit-anonymous/story?id=16194071#.UV2SyVeReSo
The fact is, slander and defamation are a big deal. You simply can't run around hiding behind anonymous usernames while spreading lies and falshoods about people in efforts to damage their reputation and or business. There is a difference between saying "His game is awful!" to "hes a liar and a scammer taking your money and running!"
Now, contrary to what some may say, I've made many efforts to make ammends with those who have slandered and or defamed me with no basis whatsoever but that didnt work. I talked to a lawyer about it and he simply said, take screenshots of everything, ask for it to be removed, (which it all was) and then if people persist in their actions, we go from there. I don't want to have to resort to legal action against anyone, but from what I've seen, people really think that their geographic location or anonyminity will protect them.
I wrote a letter the other day that my community manager is preparing to publish today applauding mmorpg.com for their quick reaction to my requests, but to find these posts from you Bill, I have to say I'm dissappointed. As a primary medium for MMORPG gaming, I'd like to think that this site would be more interested in taking an active stance against slander and defamation instead of defending it and encouraging it.
I am not a faceless corporation. I am a man, developing a game with others and have been attacked, lied about, slandered and defamed personally by members of this site. I also have a day job in finance and a family of 5 that depend on me and my livlihood to support them. Personal attacks on my honesty, integrity and the like cause more damage than just swaying people to not support my game. It's damaging to me personally and financially with my day job as well. This is the difference between trolling me, an independent developer and a corporation. It's not about "having thick skin" or "sucking it up with trolls". It's about feeding my children and paying my mortage and not having to worry about some anonymous people on the internet spreading terrible lies about me to serve themselves.
The message is clear from here on, I simply can't and won't sit idle and let this activity continue. Say whatever you like about the game. Hate it, love it, whatever, but when it comes to me and members of my team who are all working very hard on this game, keep to the facts.
That's all I have to say about this.
Thank you.
www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!
Sadly we gone beyond just bashing games. It seams to become a competition of who can be the bigger ass. I feel sorry for indie companies that don't have the money to pay professional pr people that are trained to deal with the trashy people on the internet.
So in other words, you think the site could and maybe should be sued for slander, and have talked to a lawyer about it and told this site so, but you're not actually directly threatening to sue the site just yet? Yeah, that clarifies things. < /sarcasm>
If you wanted to make it clear that you weren't threatening to sue, then you'd have said something to the effect that under no circumstances would you sue mmorpg.com for what random forum members say. But you didn't, and that speaks volumes.
I won't go into further details on this matter publicly. Assume whatever you'd like. I've made my point.
Thanks.
www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
This is exactly why I personally think you are a D-Bag Jason. If you had no intention of taking legal action then why did you bring it up AND reference examples? Of course, your lack of management ability is also a factor in my assumption of your intelligence level. Seriously, you posted all these reasons why Unity was bad and had to move to Hero and then you move back? You ask for $30k on Kick, get $90K, sell out on plots and THEN you come back asking for more money because you have lack financial management ability and did not properly plan for what you actually needed?
The truth is, most people here dont honestly believe you are running with the money. I am sure you are working on an actual product but I would also bet money your backers will be sorely disappointed in the released product and it will get universally bad reviews at launch. Not due to the coders but to your lack of management ability. Perhaps you would be better off selling sex enhancment pills again or running for governor of Ohio. I would personally vote for you. You are not any worse than the officials we have in office now.
mogus is absolutley right here. i mean, no matter how unprofessional his way to develop a game might be, some people here re on a crusade against him and go far too far.
dont like it, dont back it. that easy.
if you feel betrayed, sue him.
but accusing him of things, doing crusade against him, hiding behind anonymous status, there should be action against such behaviour.
dont get me wrong, for me the game developing seems also unprofessional, but he didnt lie about himself yet. i mean, i would have kept all that secret when i was him, but he seems to be a honest traightforward guy, little naiv, but there have to be people like him.
haha that was funny :-)
in fact i would vote for him too, same reason. he at least WANTS to do good things.
Can you explain to me how Jason could have made MMORPG.com realize how badly defamation is without pointing to judicial cases?
I don't know about you guys, but to me Jason Appleton comes off like a very sincere, intelligent, and responsible young woman. I think his family is lucky to have him.
Thank God, that people like him exist.
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"Hi Bill, I'm sure you don't need me to cite sources. But, defamation is a very serious crime, and though I understand you want to respect your board members you must also recognize that their behaviour is simply unacceptable."
Edit : Put plainly, Jason Appleton is a tactless clown.
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Can you explain to me how you can site legal cases and describe defamation without actually implying you are going to sue me over it?
On to your question, I can not explain it to you unless you point me to the exact spot where MMORPG.com made a remark about Jason that was untrue. You see, MMORPG did not make any false comments that I am aware of, individual posters have done that NOT MMORPG.com to my knowledge, but if you can point me to those comments, I will try adjust my prespective a bit.
However, Bill evidently did not know it otherwise he wouldn't allow it, so it was a courtesy to link sources, was it not?
That's a two-edged sword, which is my point. To properly inform comes off as a threat. That's exactly what happened.
Noone except Jason knows his true intentions. The rest of us can only guess.
Edit: Reading the links, the entities being sued where the actual posters, never the forums. So MMORPG.com could at best imagine themselves being sued as some form of accessory.