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gylnne
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Main highlights:
- No global cooldown (GCD)!
- Hybrid targeting system, tab + something else (he mentions reticle early on, but not explicitly later)
- If they put archers in, archers will likely need to use some sort of manual targeting system like a reticle
Interesting. Totally agreed on the fluidity of combat. If they can match WoW in that regard, I'll be happy.
And he mentioned the possibility of archers having to actually aim, rather than tab target. I personally love that idea.
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt
The video is over 8 minutes long! And that is just part 1 of 2, second tomorrow!
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt
Extremely interesting on the Archer class. My guess that is that the interest in it will force them to make one but I agree that when an Archer class is left to simply tab target enemies who have little to no chance to reach them (ei. walls or engaged elsewhere) Archers can become quite OP. That is the fear currently in Swtor actually with the new expansion coming up. Sniper/Gunslingers have rediculous power when left alone at range or is often enough to swing combat in their favor simply by engaging at range first with nothing more than tabbing and starting their rotations. Although fun it isn't reflective of skill if say they were forced to use a reticle and therefore could miss even at range.
My hope is that they can preserve the old school feel by having no class restictions and a combat system that adds fairness to all classes. I personally would like to see friendly fire. That alone forces ranged players to think about what they do prior to just doing it.
I also love separate systems for differing combat styles. Magic should have it's own system, melee their own or more than one, archery (if a class focus or a tool of a class) and even stealth. I have a feeling if they add stealth it won't be full time which I actually prefer anyway. Archery simply needs greater chance of miss at range. Tab takes that away entirely. Asheron's call did it pretty well with a tab lock having nothing to do with an arrow hitting you as you could still dodge it. That is all CU has to do really. Allow the enemy who is aware of the attack the ability to dodge it as they close range. This allows a defense against the traditional uber alpha strike of the archer classes which is largely OP simply because in so many games there was little to no defense against it.
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Wow making archers aim, what a novel concept:P
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That will never ever happen in an MMO. Way too open to griefing and collusion.
I think the point missed my many is that the ability to dodge it should also be there.
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Definitely. I think all projectiles should be dodgeable.
It already exists in some. The first failure in inovation is saying it can't be done.
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"fluid like GW2?" i take it he never played the game then, the game has the most clunky combat iv ever experienced, i refuse to play melee in that game because of all the pausing and rubber banding with stuff like charge etc.
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Love what I'm hearing for combat MJ. A few thing's I'd like to add:
1) I also want to see visual cue's for any stuns/mezs/roots/snares/mind control/slow/speed/poisons/diseases/magic/curses ... I don't want to be looking at a combat log. (very little) Everything should be clear on screen.
2) It's not just the combat they choose, it's the way character moves, performs an action/spell & the feeling or responsiveness you get back as a player.
Combat & art direction go hand in hand. It is important that is also relates to the environment or world that it is designed for. Sound also effects a players overall experience when in combat.
3) Animations - Must be fluid, responsive & provide feedback to the user as it relates to the actions being performed on screen. I should be able to tell what is going on screen by the spell or swing of a weapon, not looking down at combat log to see what hit me.
To me, these are all important to consider when choosing the right combat system.
This update has me so excited.
I really hope archers can nock their arrows and take aima nd fire freely (wherever you point) accounting for arrow drop/distance and such. To me that is just so much more "fun" then the usual targetting style of mmo's when it comes to archers usually.
Also if archers have to aim in such a way, then the arrows they fire can be deadly/high dmg (because of hte nature, sinne you can't simply target/then fire at that target) it means it will naturally be harder to hit someone at a longer distance , as well if they are moving.
So those times when you do get lucky, and hit soemone in the head while at a distnace and moving, it will be even that much more amazing if it works that way or similar style.
That's what I love about playing an archer in Mount and Blade, when you have that knight charging at you full steam , knowing that you HAVE to make that one shot count and place the arrow in a vital area to dehorse/kill him otherwise you are dead, that's very exciting from a gameplay standpoint.
I know it might not even be like this, or archers might not make it in, but the prospect of it not relying on tab targetting for archery is exciting for now.
Well, I don't mind if archers use a rectile system, if other long range direct damage spells have the same issue. The main problem with manual targeting is lag. Works okay for small instances like FPS games, but if you start with a large # of players, lag issues would almost require tab targeting.
Could that be different in this game? Maybe, but my guess is probably not.
I can say that not having an archer class would seem odd.
I think archers/casters should be similar to siege equipment for their aoe attacks and allowed tab targeting for specific targets/fast attacks. In essence, one can follow a moving target (tab targeting) and try to hit them regardless if it’s a quick arrow (archer) or a magic missile (caster). But when those classes decide they want to use a mass damage aoe skill they have to place to target area on the ground and fire at that area. Also there should be auto targeting where you can just fire and whomever is closest in your line of sight get targeted (along with target ring under tgt). Reticule targeting is more for a game that allows movement while firing and I believe CU will not allow that.
Nanulak
This was my first reaction also. Maybe he was just singling out Archers as an example, I dunno. Are they suggesting towards a combat system similar to Neverwinter and other recent games in beta that can't be named where you basically face the mob to acquire target?