*** Let's revisit this on 4/30 to see how much of the "immediately after launch" is in 2 weeks after launch then we can see if they are still true to their reputation....
I coverd the answer to this before you even wrote it, here from this thread:
Originally posted by StarI
On the topic and AV, I didn't read OP because most of it is probably true. Most of us who played DF for years know that Aventurine guys are very unprofessional when it comes to handling an MMORPG. But in the end of the day they still provide one of the more immersive and interesting gaming worlds, so you either learn to read in between the lines and downgrade every announcement they make for a level or two, or move on.
They have plans, they get hyped in their new visions which they post in blogs but than plans change and they come out as liars.
This is going on over many MMOs but the most professional ones, especialy those with bigger man power tend to get thing in reality quicker or wait untill they are sure about it.
You could just ask me instead and I'd tell you that immediately after launch may be easily a full month if not more.
Besides the disaster of AV trying to get this game running, the community of clowns (not everyone, but most) ruined my early impressions of the whole deal. I always knew DF players were hardcore into their PvP, including some smack talk, but I had no idea just how messed up in the head a lot of these people are.
Besides that, the game just lacks in areas I would prefer my next long term MMO has. Specifically, this game would need to be more of a well-rounded sandbox for me to stick around, and I know that AV has no such plans for it, nor does the old DF community want it.
The trouble is, AV was trying to make a game that would have more broad appeal, presumably to make more money and grow their company, but what they are going to end up with is roughly the same player base they had before. To make this game have more broad appeal, it needs PvE and other character gameplay options, and it would need to have a community that is a lot less vapid and insulting to everyone they interact with. The purely hardcore PvP MMO player base isn't as large as they think it is.
I wish the game and the players good luck though. Hopefully AV will pull this one off for you.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I don't care what their track record is. They're an indie company and Darfkall 1 was the best game I've ever played. DFUW is a lot of fun in Beta too.
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I completely agree. I played GW2 recently and was blown away with the quality product that was released. Everything about the game rocked except there was something missing. It started to become boring. Then it hit me. I was not scared. There was no risk. It was at that point when I realized that I can never play another MMO without FFA full loot in a world with no instances.
Lol? Guys, think a liitle bit for a change please.
Prestige classes, new armor and models are all now in game. Tho new models are probably just a placeholder untill the proper design we've already seen gets properly finished.
Really.... you really believe this ?
Have you even played the game? Bunch of new robe models, comletely redesigned dragon armor, completely redesigned bone armor, new leather sets (all in all a whole bunch of very very detailed and BADASS looking armor sets); New models (they mostly suck and I consider them placeholders-tho they look badass geared in new armors obviously), and classes are now implemented too,.. are we talkign about the same game, not sure anymore lol.
Besides the disaster of AV trying to get this game running, the community of clowns (not everyone, but most) ruined my early impressions of the whole deal. I always knew DF players were hardcore into their PvP, including some smack talk, but I had no idea just how messed up in the head a lot of these people are.
Besides that, the game just lacks in areas I would prefer my next long term MMO has. Specifically, this game would need to be more of a well-rounded sandbox for me to stick around, and I know that AV has no such plans for it, nor does the old DF community want it.
The trouble is, AV was trying to make a game that would have more broad appeal, presumably to make more money and grow their company, but what they are going to end up with is roughly the same player base they had before. To make this game have more broad appeal, it needs PvE and other character gameplay options, and it would need to have a community that is a lot less vapid and insulting to everyone they interact with. The purely hardcore PvP MMO player base isn't as large as they think it is.
I wish the game and the players good luck though. Hopefully AV will pull this one off for you.
Wise insight that I can agree with. Yes I actually believe that if DFUW fails the reason will be because it's still too hardcore, to put it simply. There's a huge playerbase sick of thempark coloured games but even tho people want something different Darkfall falls a bit too far on the hardcore side for most. EvE is the best example of a successful game but for that it had to offer a whole world made for people who don't like to risk much yet be a part of a big dangerous world.
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
Agreed - if he is trying to say the current roles are presitge classes that is laughable... Maybe they ninja edited the "missing" schools from every class so they can spin that 1 year from now as the "prestige class upgrade"...... Look at it any way you want to but you have 4 classes only which are all mirror copies of each others except for the ultimate skill.
That is flat out lazy and half-assed attempt at classes....
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
Don't be rediculous, everything in development is subject to change. The class system was a really solid idea, the godlike-hybrid is completely gone now.
We shall in a mere week or 2 what immediate means They are telling people all this is coming immediately to bait you into buying then you will see how long if ever some of this stuff makes it in, lol
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
Don't be rediculous, everything in development is subject to change. The class system was a really solid idea, the godlike-hybrid is completely gone now.
Then why not announce the changes ?
Why not inform the customer that prestige armor has been scrapped nad class system is coming? So i can stop my subscription 1 year before shutdown ?
Why not announce that tghey stoped to bring the promised addidionally bows and arrows ?
No, this is not a company worth to spend money on..they delibertaly hold you in dark and spread missinformation.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
Don't be rediculous, everything in development is subject to change. The class system was a really solid idea, the godlike-hybrid is completely gone now.
Then why not announce the changes ?
Why not inform the customer that prestige armor has been scrapped nad class system is coming? So i can stop my subscription 1 year before shutdown ?
Why not announce that tghey stoped to bring the promised addidionally bows and arrows ?
No, this is not a company worth to spend money on..they delibertaly hold you in dark and spread missinformation.
If they announced this and gave real timelines like LOOK we want to get the other class roles in BUT it is going to take another 4 months - then people would not subscribe or buy the game IF AV game them real timelines. Instead they like to bait people at least get that initial order then keep stringing them along as they keep subbing.
If you look back on their history it reeks of unethical lies and unkept promises. What happens is that people keep falling on that crutch and say BUT they are an "indie" company yet forget the investments they have gotten and how other "indie" companies actually keep to promises and do not bait and switch...
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
Don't be rediculous, everything in development is subject to change. The class system was a really solid idea, the godlike-hybrid is completely gone now.
Then why not announce the changes ?
Why not inform the customer that prestige armor has been scrapped nad class system is coming? So i can stop my subscription 1 year before shutdown ?
Why not announce that tghey stoped to bring the promised addidionally bows and arrows ?
No, this is not a company worth to spend money on..they delibertaly hold you in dark and spread missinformation.
If they announced this and gave real timelines like LOOK we want to get the other class roles in BUT it is going to take another 4 months - then people would not subscribe or buy the game IF AV game them real timelines. Instead they like to bait people at least get that initial order then keep stringing them along as they keep subbing.
If you look back on their history it reeks of unethical lies and unkept promises. What happens is that people keep falling on that crutch and say BUT they are an "indie" company yet forget the investments they have gotten and how other "indie" companies actually keep to promises and do not bait and switch...
Thats exactly their thinking and their way of doing business.
They exploit the attunement of customers to their chars and avatars. It is an investement they don't respect and they prooved to not be worth any trustfull customer - company relation.
Tasos uses to makes fun out customers in private, that says much. (how they are "trouts" he can "catch")
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
looking at the past DF had for around the past 13 years makes me think what the game in for next year you kind of feel bad for it and sorry in a mature multi gamer point of view. and if AV are going to do what they did for DK 1 and you can see going to be for UW in the next 6 months.
Shut the game down and make DF 3 same areas buy it and reroll on a new server. so it is more of a cash and grab if it was other game CO heads will roll.
looking at the past DF had for around the past 13 years makes me think what the game in for next year you kind of feel bad for it and sorry in a mature multi gamer point of view. and if AV are going to do what they did for DK 1 and you can see going to be for UW in the next 6 months.
Shut the game down and make DF 3 same areas buy it and reroll on a new server. so it is more of a cash and grab if it was other game CO heads will roll.
I personally see them milking the subscriptions via the bait and switch until the F2P model is ready for Asia. Then they will switch over the NA/EU servers to the F2P models. I am pretty sure you can count on that.
Then yeah at some point it would not shock me that they will anounce some new game at some point; stating they have now learned from their previosu mistakes, etc..... all over again ir not bankrupt by then since they got 50+ people to pay now..
I can confirm everything about the company. The best lie they ever said is about the prestige classes and new armor models and character models.
That is a little unfair as the prestige classes are now class roles. As for the models, its the communities fault for bitching about equalization of the toons so there are no disadvantages.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
Don't be rediculous, everything in development is subject to change. The class system was a really solid idea, the godlike-hybrid is completely gone now.
Then why not announce the changes ?
Why not inform the customer that prestige armor has been scrapped nad class system is coming? So i can stop my subscription 1 year before shutdown ?
Why not announce that tghey stoped to bring the promised addidionally bows and arrows ?
No, this is not a company worth to spend money on..they delibertaly hold you in dark and spread missinformation.
If they announced this and gave real timelines like LOOK we want to get the other class roles in BUT it is going to take another 4 months - then people would not subscribe or buy the game IF AV game them real timelines. Instead they like to bait people at least get that initial order then keep stringing them along as they keep subbing.
If you look back on their history it reeks of unethical lies and unkept promises. What happens is that people keep falling on that crutch and say BUT they are an "indie" company yet forget the investments they have gotten and how other "indie" companies actually keep to promises and do not bait and switch...
Thats exactly their thinking and their way of doing business.
They exploit the attunement of customers to their chars and avatars. It is an investement they don't respect and they prooved to not be worth any trustfull customer - company relation.
Tasos uses to makes fun out customers in private, that says much. (how they are "trouts" he can "catch")
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I coverd the answer to this before you even wrote it, here from this thread:
They have plans, they get hyped in their new visions which they post in blogs but than plans change and they come out as liars.
This is going on over many MMOs but the most professional ones, especialy those with bigger man power tend to get thing in reality quicker or wait untill they are sure about it.
You could just ask me instead and I'd tell you that immediately after launch may be easily a full month if not more.
Besides the disaster of AV trying to get this game running, the community of clowns (not everyone, but most) ruined my early impressions of the whole deal. I always knew DF players were hardcore into their PvP, including some smack talk, but I had no idea just how messed up in the head a lot of these people are.
Besides that, the game just lacks in areas I would prefer my next long term MMO has. Specifically, this game would need to be more of a well-rounded sandbox for me to stick around, and I know that AV has no such plans for it, nor does the old DF community want it.
The trouble is, AV was trying to make a game that would have more broad appeal, presumably to make more money and grow their company, but what they are going to end up with is roughly the same player base they had before. To make this game have more broad appeal, it needs PvE and other character gameplay options, and it would need to have a community that is a lot less vapid and insulting to everyone they interact with. The purely hardcore PvP MMO player base isn't as large as they think it is.
I wish the game and the players good luck though. Hopefully AV will pull this one off for you.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I completely agree. I played GW2 recently and was blown away with the quality product that was released. Everything about the game rocked except there was something missing. It started to become boring. Then it hit me. I was not scared. There was no risk. It was at that point when I realized that I can never play another MMO without FFA full loot in a world with no instances.
Have you even played the game? Bunch of new robe models, comletely redesigned dragon armor, completely redesigned bone armor, new leather sets (all in all a whole bunch of very very detailed and BADASS looking armor sets); New models (they mostly suck and I consider them placeholders-tho they look badass geared in new armors obviously), and classes are now implemented too,.. are we talkign about the same game, not sure anymore lol.
Wise insight that I can agree with. Yes I actually believe that if DFUW fails the reason will be because it's still too hardcore, to put it simply. There's a huge playerbase sick of thempark coloured games but even tho people want something different Darkfall falls a bit too far on the hardcore side for most. EvE is the best example of a successful game but for that it had to offer a whole world made for people who don't like to risk much yet be a part of a big dangerous world.
In this sense I agree DFUW may still fall short.
What is unfair is they got my money by lying they working on prestige calles and armor specification and not deliverying it. This is more of bait and switch then being unfair from the customer ..
If someone reports he is doing x but delivering y having got the money all the time for doing x... what is it ?
It screams NGE all over ..and the low ethics of $OE.. now from some indie wannabes...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Agreed - if he is trying to say the current roles are presitge classes that is laughable... Maybe they ninja edited the "missing" schools from every class so they can spin that 1 year from now as the "prestige class upgrade"...... Look at it any way you want to but you have 4 classes only which are all mirror copies of each others except for the ultimate skill.
That is flat out lazy and half-assed attempt at classes....
Don't be rediculous, everything in development is subject to change. The class system was a really solid idea, the godlike-hybrid is completely gone now.
Then why not announce the changes ?
Why not inform the customer that prestige armor has been scrapped nad class system is coming? So i can stop my subscription 1 year before shutdown ?
Why not announce that tghey stoped to bring the promised addidionally bows and arrows ?
No, this is not a company worth to spend money on..they delibertaly hold you in dark and spread missinformation.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
If they announced this and gave real timelines like LOOK we want to get the other class roles in BUT it is going to take another 4 months - then people would not subscribe or buy the game IF AV game them real timelines. Instead they like to bait people at least get that initial order then keep stringing them along as they keep subbing.
If you look back on their history it reeks of unethical lies and unkept promises. What happens is that people keep falling on that crutch and say BUT they are an "indie" company yet forget the investments they have gotten and how other "indie" companies actually keep to promises and do not bait and switch...
Thats exactly their thinking and their way of doing business.
They exploit the attunement of customers to their chars and avatars. It is an investement they don't respect and they prooved to not be worth any trustfull customer - company relation.
Tasos uses to makes fun out customers in private, that says much. (how they are "trouts" he can "catch")
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
looking at the past DF had for around the past 13 years makes me think what the game in for next year you kind of feel bad for it and sorry in a mature multi gamer point of view. and if AV are going to do what they did for DK 1 and you can see going to be for UW in the next 6 months.
Shut the game down and make DF 3 same areas buy it and reroll on a new server. so it is more of a cash and grab if it was other game CO heads will roll.
I personally see them milking the subscriptions via the bait and switch until the F2P model is ready for Asia. Then they will switch over the NA/EU servers to the F2P models. I am pretty sure you can count on that.
Then yeah at some point it would not shock me that they will anounce some new game at some point; stating they have now learned from their previosu mistakes, etc..... all over again ir not bankrupt by then since they got 50+ people to pay now..
Spot on there my friend - well put.