Originally posted by Horusra Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.
Well, pve is just same as single player game. Why even to try something like that??
So the Grand daddy of MMO's EQ1 was a single player game? A game that is still open and running. Better question is why try something with Open World PvP the game is just going to fail.
Originally posted by DeaconX Are there sandbox elements to the game at all?
I often wonder about this, too. I have never really thought of TES games as "sandboxes."
Really? A world that changes without your input. Freeform classes, ability to use any skill or spell, to join any faction, to travel anywhere and do anything without following a single quest, building or owning your own property, changing the world in meaningful way based on your actions as a character doesn't scream sandbox to you? It's hard for a single player game to carry the title of sandbox simply because it's single player and single player games always have an end. However, those are largely sandbox mechanics. Even lootable corpses, granted yours isn't lootable to NPC's, but still.
Originally posted by Horusra Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.
Well, pve is just same as single player game. Why even to try something like that??
So the Grand daddy of MMO's EQ1 was a single player game? A game that is still open and running. Better question is why try something with Open World PvP the game is just going to fail.
So WOW and EVE are failed games! Double LOL. Only pve game which have moderate success is LOTRO.
Originally posted by Horusra Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.
Well, pve is just same as single player game. Why even to try something like that??
So the Grand daddy of MMO's EQ1 was a single player game? A game that is still open and running. Better question is why try something with Open World PvP the game is just going to fail.
So WOW and EVE are failed games! Double LOL. Only pve game which have moderate success is LOTRO.
WoW learned Open World was fail that is why there is crap going on in the open world now. Battle grounds and arenas are the only things getting love because controlled PvP is the only success. As to Eve...so you have 1....1...and I mean 1 semi successful PvP game...out of how many. Even a blind man can hit a target once if given enough bullets. EQ1, EQ2, AC, LOTR, WoW, DDO, Rift, GW1, UO...if including games with no/limited/or under used open world PvP DAoC, GW2, tec...but hey you got Eve....lol
Originally posted by Xepo If you want PVE only content then wait for the next Skyrim expansion of a new installment of ES. This is an MMO and most MMOs have PVP in them. I look to play a MMO that has good PVP in it and I am hoping this game will have a nice balance for PVP, which means controlled faction choices. Not really as big a deal as many are trying to make it out to be. Most MMOs with PVP have those types of choices. WoW has faction controlled races yet people still play that game for PVP and PVE. If done well the cry babies will leave to bash a different game after a while and the true players will stick around and make the game great.
If PvP is so important to MMO's why are PvP servers the smallest populations? Seems PvP'ers are the minority.
how many of those pve servers offer optional pvp?pvpers might be the minority but they are still a huge chunk of the mmo fan base, far too large to ignore.there are a lot of pvpers out there and to not offer it in a game like this would not be smart.why do you think all these other games that didn't offer pvp at launch tried to patch it in later?i honestly don't see why people are complaining because there will be optional pvp in this game.
Yes, people are mad about the "optional pvp" in the game. Not that the game is centered around this optional pvp.
Just like people weren't mad about the "optional auction house" in D3. Not like it had any effect on the rest of the game.
apples and oranges.
D3's RMAH absolutely has a huge impact on the entire game and made it pay 2 win.
TESO pvp is completely optional and has no effect on the rest of the game other than the faction lock.
actually the RMAH never influenced my playstyle in D3 - must have been you.
d3 is a PVE game, why should i give a shit about what other players do???
that's the main problem we got nowadays. people bitch way too much. about others having "advantages" they don't seem to have themselves, even tho those advantages do NOT influence their game AT ALL.... since they will never ever meet any of those other players.
you don't want pvp in ESO? then don't do it. play pve. prob solved. seriously, get real guys.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Want to kill this game ? Take the focus away from faction conflict.
Right, because the poll definitely shows the pvp focues crowd is in the majority..........
Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.
Just log on to any game and look at the servers. Almost all have more PvE servers than PvP and PvP only games get no where near the numbers of PvE games.
lol which one?? Failed games maybe. Look at the most popular mmo WOW, you can see there 80% pvp servers. Probably you think about LOTRO because it is the only pve game with over 100k players. AOC, EVE, EQ,EQ2--everything is around pvp
Wow 136 PvE servers 113 PvP servers...according to Census app 70% of 1,970,652 unique characters found play on PvE servers.
Originally posted by Horusra Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.
First, World of Warcraft is a PvE focused game, of course majority of the characters are on PvE servers: But what's even more amusing that in PvE, there is such a large chunk of players playing those PvP minigames and cry out for more.
Open world PvP is a failure of a mechanic because you as individual cannot handle seeing your character beaten by another player? There's a certain insult one could use here. You are challenging the legitemacy of unrestricted PvP because of your biased self-centered views.
TES games are not sandboxes, they are hybrids. The closest MMO to TES would be acherons call - which is a hybrid, bang in the middle of the themepark / sandbox spectrum.
Ah yes, but the CORE game in Asherons Call is SANDBOX, open world, open choices, story doesnt get in the way. The CORE game in TESO is THEMEPARK. Closed world, limited choices, story driven, funneled content on a guiderail all leading to the PvP center of the world...which is also behind a magical wall keeping your lands safe.
TES is core sandbox with themepark features so there is PLENTY for TES fans to be pissed about..hell, there is plenty for MMORPG fans to be pissed about, yet ANOTHER MMORPG trapped in a tiny little box.
I have no idea what this gameworld's size is, but I think it's important to say, bigger doesn't mean better, especially in a quest based game. While a certain amount of expansiveness is needed to give the illusion of a world out there, it's counter productive when that scale gets too high for the design needed. That's when we start seeing worlds like SWG, VG, Fallen Earth, etc.. There is just far too much copy-pasting and generated landscape in these large world games. It's usually needed when the scope gets that large due to many constraints, budget, manpower, memory usage, etc.... Also the bigger the world gets the more empty it gets, there's only so much content they can make.
ANother issue is in recent memory, SWTOR, comparing it to AOC for an example, AOC just feels like it has much better flow between quest chains, there's much less back and forth and far less travel times. It just makes SWTOR questing feel like a chore in comparison.
Not sure what your point is here.
Placing barriers and closing off three factions doesnt suddenly make the world more diverse, bigger or smaller. it just chops up what is there into pieces that cannot be explored by that one character...the developers are even billing it as making the game bigger because you will have to create alts to play those factions quests.
So, the same amount of quests are there, the same amount of land space, the same designs...just cut off from each other. SWTOR had the factions cut off, AoC did not and thus your example actually proves my point. Not sure if that is what you were going for or not.
Originally posted by Horusra Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.
Well, pve is just same as single player game. Why even to try something like that??
So the Grand daddy of MMO's EQ1 was a single player game? A game that is still open and running. Better question is why try something with Open World PvP the game is just going to fail.
So WOW and EVE are failed games! Double LOL. Only pve game which have moderate success is LOTRO.
EVE is a game designed for open world PVP
WOW is a raidgrinder where they just flicked a switch and expected pvp to magically happen.
Originally posted by ShakyMo It doesn't have "a huge pvp focus"
They've probably spent MORE time on pve than pvp.
Daoc was a 50/50 pve/pvp game.
You guys are making out like this game us darkfall or planetside it something.
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Complete BS.
The BASE game is built AROUND PvP.
Closed off faction lands with set races so as not to confuse people who the enemey are while funnelling ALL PvE to the CENTER PvP lands.
THE ENTIRE GAME IS BUILT AROUND THEIR PVP IDEA which is RvRvR.
There is no amount of spin you can put on it to make it NOT a PvP focused game with its current build...hell, even the games trailer is 100% about the 3 faction PvP!
Theres no amount of spin you can put on it to turn it into some frikin everquest clone where you can prance around showing off your latest raid set, while the crafting and pvp peasants run behind you eating your scraps.
DAOC is not a PVP focused game. Its one of a handful of games that focus on PVE and PVP EQUALLY.
Darkfall, EvE, planetside, warhammer are pvp focused games
Hopefully this game will at least copy one great feature from DAOC, being fair to ALL playstyles.
but i suspect TESO will be less PVP focused than DAOC. Mainly because they have a bunch of publisher pressure going "be more like wow that sold 10 million", and like all MMOs in beta it is currently getting a lot of squeckiest wheel that gets the oil whine from the hardcore PVE people who infest every MMO beta and turn the games towards the worse. probably end up a 75% PVE / 25% PVP game
Really? I've mostly seen so-called PvPers whining about balance and the colour of the carrot they are running after. And people talking about Daoc in every single TESO thread itself shows how little that game is about TES. Probably just a skin to get enough cash from initial sales. Hope it's not though.
Point out a thread where people have gone "remove all PVE"
Hardcore PVE types are the biggest whinners in MMOdom. They jump on every beta wanting every mmo to be like WOW "before it started giving out welfare epics to scrubs"
And no mini pvp games. If there is worldpvp let there please be only worldpvp so people are "forced" to pvp there and not stay 24/7 at the minigames like happened with age of conan. But that would prob to much to ask.
Originally posted by ShakyMo It doesn't have "a huge pvp focus"
They've probably spent MORE time on pve than pvp.
Daoc was a 50/50 pve/pvp game.
You guys are making out like this game us darkfall or planetside it something.
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Complete BS.
The BASE game is built AROUND PvP.
Closed off faction lands with set races so as not to confuse people who the enemey are while funnelling ALL PvE to the CENTER PvP lands.
THE ENTIRE GAME IS BUILT AROUND THEIR PVP IDEA which is RvRvR.
There is no amount of spin you can put on it to make it NOT a PvP focused game with its current build...hell, even the games trailer is 100% about the 3 faction PvP!
Theres no amount of spin you can put on it to turn it into some frikin everquest clone where you can prance around showing off your latest raid set, while the crafting and pvp peasants run behind you eating your scraps.
DAOC is not a PVP focused game. Its one of a handful of games that focus on PVE and PVP EQUALLY.
Darkfall, EvE, planetside, warhammer are pvp focused games
Hopefully this game will at least copy one great feature from DAOC, being fair to ALL playstyles.
but i suspect TESO will be less PVP focused than DAOC. Mainly because they have a bunch of publisher pressure going "be more like wow that sold 10 million", and like all MMOs in beta it is currently getting a lot of squeckiest wheel that gets the oil whine from the hardcore PVE people who infest every MMO beta and turn the games towards the worse. probably end up a 75% PVE / 25% PVP game
Really? I've mostly seen so-called PvPers whining about balance and the colour of the carrot they are running after. And people talking about Daoc in every single TESO thread itself shows how little that game is about TES. Probably just a skin to get enough cash from initial sales. Hope it's not though.
Point out a thread where people have gone "remove all PVE"
Hardcore PVE types are the biggest whinners in MMOdom. They jump on every beta wanting every mmo to be like WOW "before it started giving out welfare epics to scrubs"
Seems we have had a tad bit different experiences then. I've mostly seen PvPers whining over everything, you have seen PvEers doing the same. Also, I was not talking about PvPers demanding of removing all PvE but them whining constantly. Maybe it's the new generation of MMO players who just like to complain. Personally I don't mind optional PvP at all, especially if it's not just some stupid minigame but RvR thing. But I also like good PvE with a huge world to explore.
Want to kill this game ? Take the focus away from faction conflict.
Right, because the poll definitely shows the pvp focues crowd is in the majority..........
Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.
You honestly think the poll results would be different anywhere minus maybe a pvp focused game forum? It's pretty common knowledge that the pvp focused player base isn't the size of pve focused playerbase.
Originally posted by bubaluba Mmo without pvp is crap and same thing as single player game. But now we can see how opinions on forums reflect on reality. If so ''only pve games'' would be most popular mmo's around but they are not. MMO without pvp is doomed to same player population as LOTRO and pve sandbox would be even more boring
yeah those singleplayer games and pve games are total crap. Amazing that millions of copies of such game would ever sell isn't it? Try coming up with an even dumber statement to top this one next time.
Originally posted by Margulis Originally posted by NeherunOriginally posted by MargulisOriginally posted by ShadanwolfWant to kill this game ? Take the focus away from faction conflict.
Right, because the poll definitely shows the pvp focues crowd is in the majority..........Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.You honestly think the poll results would be different anywhere minus maybe a pvp focused game forum? It's pretty common knowledge that the pvp focused player base isn't the size of pve focused playerbase.
it is true that pve players outnumber pvp players overall in most games.
that said, the pvp player base is still very large and it would be stupid to ignore them and not have it in a game like this.
Originally posted by Thane Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by Trudge34Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by HorusraOriginally posted by Xepo If you want PVE only content then wait for the next Skyrim expansion of a new installment of ES. This is an MMO and most MMOs have PVP in them. I look to play a MMO that has good PVP in it and I am hoping this game will have a nice balance for PVP, which means controlled faction choices. Not really as big a deal as many are trying to make it out to be. Most MMOs with PVP have those types of choices. WoW has faction controlled races yet people still play that game for PVP and PVE. If done well the cry babies will leave to bash a different game after a while and the true players will stick around and make the game great.
If PvP is so important to MMO's why are PvP servers the smallest populations? Seems PvP'ers are the minority.how many of those pve servers offer optional pvp?pvpers might be the minority but they are still a huge chunk of the mmo fan base, far too large to ignore.there are a lot of pvpers out there and to not offer it in a game like this would not be smart.why do you think all these other games that didn't offer pvp at launch tried to patch it in later?i honestly don't see why people are complaining because there will be optional pvp in this game.Yes, people are mad about the "optional pvp" in the game. Not that the game is centered around this optional pvp.Just like people weren't mad about the "optional auction house" in D3. Not like it had any effect on the rest of the game.apples and oranges.D3's RMAH absolutely has a huge impact on the entire game and made it pay 2 win.TESO pvp is completely optional and has no effect on the rest of the game other than the faction lock.actually the RMAH never influenced my playstyle in D3 - must have been you.
d3 is a PVE game, why should i give a shit about what other players do???
that's the main problem we got nowadays. people bitch way too much. about others having "advantages" they don't seem to have themselves, even tho those advantages do NOT influence their game AT ALL.... since they will never ever meet any of those other players.
you don't want pvp in ESO? then don't do it. play pve. prob solved. seriously, get real guys.
it didn't effect my gameplay either, except i could spend real money and gear up.
do you not understand how a real money aution house would upset a player base in a game that was supposed to have pvp from the very beginning?
you don't think that would effect the other players game play?
you do realize that, right? D3 was supposed to feature pvp like the other diablo games did.
its only a pve game now because they couldn't figure out how to implement it.
I voted for option 1 ofc. Futhermore i do have a choice! If they decide to continue on the present DOAC clone course i won,t be playing. However i will be playing ffiv which is taking a route which appeals to me.
The poll btw already makes it extremely clear what people want out of TESO. To bad the devs cant see that.
Playing vanguard and waiting for which route TESO finally takes and ffiv which i will be playing.
Originally posted by ShadanwolfWant to kill this game ? Take the focus away from faction conflict.
Right, because the poll definitely shows the pvp focues crowd is in the majority..........
Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.
You honestly think the poll results would be different anywhere minus maybe a pvp focused game forum? It's pretty common knowledge that the pvp focused player base isn't the size of pve focused playerbase.
it is true that pve players outnumber pvp players overall in most games.
that said, the pvp player base is still very large and it would be stupid to ignore them and not have it in a game like this.
What I would WANT is a pure pve sandbox ESO game - but I agree it wouldn't be financially wise to not have content for both player types. However, going from the style of game the single player games are, to a DAOC style focused mmo is a lot more of a swing of the pendulum to the pvp side than many fans would care for - especially when to cater to that RvR play style they have opted to further distance themselves from the elder scrolls roots by having race locked factions and so forth. And considering the larger player base is pve focused gamers, and fans of the series, I don't think it was a wise move to go in this direction.
Originally posted by Horusra Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.
Well, pve is just same as single player game. Why even to try something like that??
So the Grand daddy of MMO's EQ1 was a single player game? A game that is still open and running. Better question is why try something with Open World PvP the game is just going to fail.
So WOW and EVE are failed games! Double LOL. Only pve game which have moderate success is LOTRO.
WoW learned Open World was fail that is why there is crap going on in the open world now. Battle grounds and arenas are the only things getting love because controlled PvP is the only success. As to Eve...so you have 1....1...and I mean 1 semi successful PvP game...out of how many. Even a blind man can hit a target once if given enough bullets. EQ1, EQ2, AC, LOTR, WoW, DDO, Rift, GW1, UO...if including games with no/limited/or under used open world PvP DAoC, GW2, tec...but hey you got Eve....lol
Sounds like you havent played many PvP MMOs or know much about them. Probably has something to do with your obvious distaste for them.
Open world PvP makes for some of the best and most immersive MMO designs for a servers community. The game must be tailored properly with respect to content and economy to give it meaning and value to pursue. These very MMOs can still find a place and value of enjoyment and purpose for PVEing exclusively, but giving the players the freedom to shape their world makes for a very interesting environment.
the whole damn POLL is a sham. pay attention 1: you want more PVE 2 you like the PVP focus or 3 you want less PVP? anyone else see whats goin on here. 1 and 3 are the same damn thing, and 2 isnt even an accurate statemrnt by someone who feels that the game is too PVP focused. its not a balanced poll. the answers are skewed to one persons perception of the game.
lets see, over 120 hours of estimated gameplay to level 50, and once max level the choice to do the other 2 facitons questlines at 50+ and 50++ difficulty, and better rewarda that rival end game progresison rewareds. thats approximately 360 hours of pure PVE gameplay.
the game is launching with 16 instanced dungeons avaiable at appropriate level and again at max level with a new storyline. 16 dungeons!! , thats almost double the amount of dungeons that the BLIZZ giant has avaiable at any tier level. MOP has only 9 dungeons by comparison, and we arent all WOW fans, but give em credit, theyve got more content than most MMOs cuz theyve got the money to do it.
Adventure Zones ( end game content ) on top of that which we know little about at the moment, but im excited to see whats goin on heree, cuz they seem to be in the process of making somehting a little more exciting than raids ( pull trash, kill boss, get loot, rinse and repeat, the eternal hamster wheel )
Poll sucks and the person that made it clearly thinks there isnt enough PVE content in the game. will i take more PVE content SUREEE, but am i happy with what im seeing? youre damn right
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So the Grand daddy of MMO's EQ1 was a single player game? A game that is still open and running. Better question is why try something with Open World PvP the game is just going to fail.
Really? A world that changes without your input. Freeform classes, ability to use any skill or spell, to join any faction, to travel anywhere and do anything without following a single quest, building or owning your own property, changing the world in meaningful way based on your actions as a character doesn't scream sandbox to you? It's hard for a single player game to carry the title of sandbox simply because it's single player and single player games always have an end. However, those are largely sandbox mechanics. Even lootable corpses, granted yours isn't lootable to NPC's, but still.
So WOW and EVE are failed games! Double LOL. Only pve game which have moderate success is LOTRO.
WoW learned Open World was fail that is why there is crap going on in the open world now. Battle grounds and arenas are the only things getting love because controlled PvP is the only success. As to Eve...so you have 1....1...and I mean 1 semi successful PvP game...out of how many. Even a blind man can hit a target once if given enough bullets. EQ1, EQ2, AC, LOTR, WoW, DDO, Rift, GW1, UO...if including games with no/limited/or under used open world PvP DAoC, GW2, tec...but hey you got Eve....lol
actually the RMAH never influenced my playstyle in D3 - must have been you.
d3 is a PVE game, why should i give a shit about what other players do???
that's the main problem we got nowadays. people bitch way too much. about others having "advantages" they don't seem to have themselves, even tho those advantages do NOT influence their game AT ALL.... since they will never ever meet any of those other players.
you don't want pvp in ESO? then don't do it. play pve. prob solved. seriously, get real guys.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
First, World of Warcraft is a PvE focused game, of course majority of the characters are on PvE servers: But what's even more amusing that in PvE, there is such a large chunk of players playing those PvP minigames and cry out for more.
Open world PvP is a failure of a mechanic because you as individual cannot handle seeing your character beaten by another player? There's a certain insult one could use here. You are challenging the legitemacy of unrestricted PvP because of your biased self-centered views.
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Not sure what your point is here.
Placing barriers and closing off three factions doesnt suddenly make the world more diverse, bigger or smaller. it just chops up what is there into pieces that cannot be explored by that one character...the developers are even billing it as making the game bigger because you will have to create alts to play those factions quests.
So, the same amount of quests are there, the same amount of land space, the same designs...just cut off from each other. SWTOR had the factions cut off, AoC did not and thus your example actually proves my point. Not sure if that is what you were going for or not.
EVE is a game designed for open world PVP
WOW is a raidgrinder where they just flicked a switch and expected pvp to magically happen.
Not the same thing
Point out a thread where people have gone "remove all PVE"
Hardcore PVE types are the biggest whinners in MMOdom. They jump on every beta wanting every mmo to be like WOW "before it started giving out welfare epics to scrubs"
Can you imagine ESO with the gameplay of the ES series?
Thousands of people running around spamming chat with, "What do I do next?"
It would be a nightmare.
so essentially a "TES skinned DAOC" without the PVP.
seen as Vanilla EQ and DAOC are near identical PVE wise.
Seems we have had a tad bit different experiences then. I've mostly seen PvPers whining over everything, you have seen PvEers doing the same. Also, I was not talking about PvPers demanding of removing all PvE but them whining constantly. Maybe it's the new generation of MMO players who just like to complain. Personally I don't mind optional PvP at all, especially if it's not just some stupid minigame but RvR thing. But I also like good PvE with a huge world to explore.
You honestly think the poll results would be different anywhere minus maybe a pvp focused game forum? It's pretty common knowledge that the pvp focused player base isn't the size of pve focused playerbase.
yeah those singleplayer games and pve games are total crap. Amazing that millions of copies of such game would ever sell isn't it? Try coming up with an even dumber statement to top this one next time.
Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.
You honestly think the poll results would be different anywhere minus maybe a pvp focused game forum? It's pretty common knowledge that the pvp focused player base isn't the size of pve focused playerbase.
it is true that pve players outnumber pvp players overall in most games.
that said, the pvp player base is still very large and it would be stupid to ignore them and not have it in a game like this.
how many of those pve servers offer optional pvp? pvpers might be the minority but they are still a huge chunk of the mmo fan base, far too large to ignore. there are a lot of pvpers out there and to not offer it in a game like this would not be smart. why do you think all these other games that didn't offer pvp at launch tried to patch it in later? i honestly don't see why people are complaining because there will be optional pvp in this game.
Yes, people are mad about the "optional pvp" in the game. Not that the game is centered around this optional pvp. Just like people weren't mad about the "optional auction house" in D3. Not like it had any effect on the rest of the game.
apples and oranges. D3's RMAH absolutely has a huge impact on the entire game and made it pay 2 win. TESO pvp is completely optional and has no effect on the rest of the game other than the faction lock.
actually the RMAH never influenced my playstyle in D3 - must have been you.
d3 is a PVE game, why should i give a shit about what other players do???
that's the main problem we got nowadays. people bitch way too much. about others having "advantages" they don't seem to have themselves, even tho those advantages do NOT influence their game AT ALL.... since they will never ever meet any of those other players.
you don't want pvp in ESO? then don't do it. play pve. prob solved. seriously, get real guys.
it didn't effect my gameplay either, except i could spend real money and gear up.
do you not understand how a real money aution house would upset a player base in a game that was supposed to have pvp from the very beginning?
you don't think that would effect the other players game play?
you do realize that, right? D3 was supposed to feature pvp like the other diablo games did.
its only a pve game now because they couldn't figure out how to implement it.
What? No one would ever say that cuz quest markers.
I voted for option 1 ofc. Futhermore i do have a choice! If they decide to continue on the present DOAC clone course i won,t be playing. However i will be playing ffiv which is taking a route which appeals to me.
The poll btw already makes it extremely clear what people want out of TESO. To bad the devs cant see that.
Playing vanguard and waiting for which route TESO finally takes and ffiv which i will be playing.
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What I would WANT is a pure pve sandbox ESO game - but I agree it wouldn't be financially wise to not have content for both player types. However, going from the style of game the single player games are, to a DAOC style focused mmo is a lot more of a swing of the pendulum to the pvp side than many fans would care for - especially when to cater to that RvR play style they have opted to further distance themselves from the elder scrolls roots by having race locked factions and so forth. And considering the larger player base is pve focused gamers, and fans of the series, I don't think it was a wise move to go in this direction.
Elder scrolls hasnt been a sandbox game in years.
What i do in those games i can do in most mmos. I mean just run around and not do quest doesnt make it a sandbox.
Minecraft is a sandbox game.
Skyrim isnt.( i am talking about the game itself not mods)
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Sounds like you havent played many PvP MMOs or know much about them. Probably has something to do with your obvious distaste for them.
Open world PvP makes for some of the best and most immersive MMO designs for a servers community. The game must be tailored properly with respect to content and economy to give it meaning and value to pursue. These very MMOs can still find a place and value of enjoyment and purpose for PVEing exclusively, but giving the players the freedom to shape their world makes for a very interesting environment.
the whole damn POLL is a sham. pay attention 1: you want more PVE 2 you like the PVP focus or 3 you want less PVP? anyone else see whats goin on here. 1 and 3 are the same damn thing, and 2 isnt even an accurate statemrnt by someone who feels that the game is too PVP focused. its not a balanced poll. the answers are skewed to one persons perception of the game.
lets see, over 120 hours of estimated gameplay to level 50, and once max level the choice to do the other 2 facitons questlines at 50+ and 50++ difficulty, and better rewarda that rival end game progresison rewareds. thats approximately 360 hours of pure PVE gameplay.
the game is launching with 16 instanced dungeons avaiable at appropriate level and again at max level with a new storyline. 16 dungeons!! , thats almost double the amount of dungeons that the BLIZZ giant has avaiable at any tier level. MOP has only 9 dungeons by comparison, and we arent all WOW fans, but give em credit, theyve got more content than most MMOs cuz theyve got the money to do it.
Adventure Zones ( end game content ) on top of that which we know little about at the moment, but im excited to see whats goin on heree, cuz they seem to be in the process of making somehting a little more exciting than raids ( pull trash, kill boss, get loot, rinse and repeat, the eternal hamster wheel )
Poll sucks and the person that made it clearly thinks there isnt enough PVE content in the game. will i take more PVE content SUREEE, but am i happy with what im seeing? youre damn right