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People who are very agressive fans of the game will consider even average score of 5 or 6 as an attack on the game and call it 'hate'. Because that is mostly what the opinion has been so far that Defiance is an average game.
I have not seen this 'hate'. If this is hate what shall we call the stuff that goes on SWTOR and GW2 forums lol
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
If you really feel that way, Vanguard is the most brilliant open world MMORPG I've ever played. Even the dungeons are in the same open-world.
Just sayin' .. If you're looking for something right now, try it out if you haven't - or if it's been a while since you did.
That said, I can't wait for some solid info on EQN and WoD too.
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Ummm it is like asking why sky is blue or earth is flat.
People love/like Defiance because they are happy with the end product. Like everything else in life not everybody dislikes what you dislike. If i asked this question every time a new MMO released and someone gave me a nickle for it, i would be rich.
Just figured I would represent the other side of that coin. Just a poor attempt at levity by me
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I am sorry my highness but OP was talking about why 'the defiance hate' and not 'why the Defiance love'. But thank you anyways.
If he was shocked at why everyone loves the game so much i wuld have surely mentioned other side of the coin.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Lighten up man, I was just trying to point out with some humor and cheekiness it goes both ways.
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A big reason is all the trouble with the game, gameplay is fun cant say much about that.
But it was close to broken when released and stil a ton of problems.
your weapons got deleted from inventory.
friends got deleted from your friendlist.
voip always on, and nothing indicates that is on so many had no clue they broadcasted
broken quests that had to be done 2-5 times
grouping in open world sometimes didt register that you was in a party and both had to relog (annoying as hell if you play with someone often)
scoreboard bug in arkfalls/coop 200kills 0dmg. uber player
coop that dont work properly, this happens often on my server. always 1-3 instances that dont work. 3 is rare but happens. 1 is daily issue.
perks that unequip automatic everytime you do instance/pvp. bloody hell this one is freaking annoying.
pretty short game for an mmo, but pretty decent compared to sp games.
Over half of those issues i have every single day, some quite often in one day.
I would never advise anyone to buy this mess atm, its fun but has some big issues.
It will be a good game i think in the long run but then they will probably have sale on it.
It's funny because it's horseshit.
At least, the part about sharing a server. SOny and MS have their panties in a collective bunch, and Trion was forced to use seperate servers for all three consoles, oh, and only the MS version has a monthly fee in the way of required "Xbox Live Gold" access.
You think this is hate?
It seems people think that the game is mediocre. I think it's good, but very "bare bones"; it doesn't feel fleshed out to me.
Check out the forums for the top 5 games on mmorpg to see hate.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Honestly, thats what it mostly boils down to.
Its a TPS and not an RPG, Its Sci fi and not fantasy, in the eyes of those that don't like those two things it should be a niche game barely discussed but its gone pretty main stream and its hard to not hear about it.
So basicly it is not a trinity theme park game. Makes since now.
Well you have to give these guys some slack though. In just a short period of time they've been hit by a lot of change.
Many games trying to get rid of or limit the trinity.
Many games favoring more action oriented combat over tab targeting.
Many games focusing on more flexibility in play making it viable to both solo and group.
Many games trying to find ways to get rid of the quest hubs.
Many games have tried to stray from the high fantasy thats become a staple.
Many games reevaluating their business models and going f2p or more recently b2p rather than the traditional pay to play.
In a very short period of time MMOs development focus has fundamentally changed. They've even had to deal with 2 shooter MMOs come out recently. Defiance coming out and getting the attention it has while being so vastly different and embodying all the changes at once is the equiviliant of getting smacked in the nads.
The game has issues and doesn't deserve an 8 or 9 score currently but does deserve a solid 6.5 to 7 in its current state. Those playing know this and have no issue with that. As long as these things get ironed out soon and we continue to have fun who cares what those getting all worked up about it have to say. Its fun to price ratio is through the roof, few games launched in the past few years can claim that.
Well said TYVM
Honestly,i love Defiance.I just don't care about the haters and the trolls,as long as i am having fun in the game it's all good.
This is a page about MMORPGS, mostly on PCs.
Defiance is a console-shooter. There you have your answer.
With Defiance I think like this, I love shooters they are my main love in gaming. If it has guns and involves shooting in either first or third person I probably own the game. Defiance is a competent shooter on it's own, full stop. It aspires to be in multiplayer terms what Borderlands(2) is as a single player/coop game, shoot and loot. What is lacks compared to Borderlands is the unique art style and whacky sense of humor. It's more serious but then it's also linked to a TV drama which in turn involves makeup effects, props etc. You can't be too zany, unless you want everything to be CGI.
It has a large open world, not instanced to the hilt. You can get on/in your vehicle and drive around without waiting for load screens. It has all the characteristics of an MMO, in perhaps a rudimentary form, but they are there. In terms of acting like an MMO it has it's shortfalls, but where it excels is with cooperation. Defiance is a cooperative experience. Whether you like it or not even if you solo the game, at some point somebody is going to impact on one of your quests. You don't have a choice, somebody rolls up following the same quest line you end up doing the quest together. You have to cooperate, you don't have much of a choice unless you want to abandon the quest.
Most importantly Defiance is Fun, yes with a capital F. It's not the best game in the world by any means, but it's fun to play. Whether it's the squishy sound the hellbugs make when you squash them, or getting some good air on your roller as you jump the crest of a hill. That fun might have a limited timespan depending on your liking of shooters. But you have other stuff to do, coop maps, shadow wars, team deathmatch, contracts, goals, races, hotshots, challenges etc. But it's shallow fun and to an extent mindless fun. But hell this is a game, it's suppose to give you enjoyment.
As for the hate, scratch beneath the surface on that one. Who is this game impacting on in terms of users at the moment? Perhaps a rival MMO - that most of the haters seem to play. I saw Defiance at number 3 in the UK charts the other day, below Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider. Just checked again it's up to number 2 on one chart. Sales figures don't lie - if something is selling it's selling for a good reason.
Honestly, I dunno about all the 'hate', but I know that most of the negative criticism comes from the game being a buggy, clunky, average MMO with solid shooting mechanics.
Even most of the negative reviews mention that the shooting in the game is fun, and that it can still be an enjoyable game. They just caviat it by pointing out that the game is objectively sub-par or average in most ways.
No game is perfect, they all have flaws. People should be more comfortable with enjoying games inspite of all that, and stop trying to demand that everyone else be okay with the same choices.
- Heck I'm enjoying games like Bioshock: Infinite, inspite of it having fairly lackluster game mechanics. There are other games I've had fun with that have gotten far worse reviews. Some games just register enough with our own personal tastes that we are willing to look passed the flaws.
Seems fairly timid around here compared to other game launches. Not really seeing "the hate" for this game.
Unless once again some are including anyone that simply thinks the game is okay or has some issues with the game as being a hater. Not that anyone ever does that around here mind you....
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1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
imo the main prob that game has are the 2 plattforms.
even tho they will NEVER actually play together, they use the same systems.
there is basically no logical reason to have the pc version use the concsole version's chat and interface, but time and money.
hell, it even showed me the controles on a controler layout, even tho my pad ain't plugged in and i was playing only via mouse and keyboard.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Pretty much this. Games are routinely ripped to shreds and declared insta-failures that don't have a fraction of the problems Defiance launched with, and still has even now.
That aside, it would be helpful if the OP pointed out some examples of this hate, because personally I'm not seeing it. Compared to what WoW, ToR, even the much-sainted GW2 routinely get, I'm confused as to where this hate is.
Mediocre reviews? Yeah, consistently and across the board. Indifference? Yeah, a whole lot of 'Meh'. But hate? Unless you define 'hate' as 'criticising something I like', Defiance would seem to be one of the least hated -- for that matter, least talked about, at least around here -- newly released MMOs in quite some time.
What we are looking at is subtle hatred, not enough to get moderated but enough to dig the knife in. As your text exemplifies. Thanks for the example.