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Horizons is not alive
D0ZeR
Member Posts: 489
You can see it by the posts on the community site. I mean just the other day the highest poster on board was a dev with 10 posts.
Warcry has no one posting in their forums.
Stratics Horizon site is just about gone.
VN is VN they are attempting to mod the constructive posts and only allow nicey things to be said about game. I would look at it more like lies just to help get people in the game.
Then we have the resseller program for Horizons.
What does this all mean?
The game is dying and the chickens are running around with no heads attempting to fix the problems that have been with this game from beta.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
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Not sure if I am a glutton for punishment but I have re-subbed twice as well as given the free trial a try ( twice), not sure why I did that. After about a week maybe 10 days of playing I remember why I quit the last time. Just funny how the mind doesn't click and say " hey you quit 3 times before because of low pops, no quests ( in any quantity at all ), frustrating mob spawns, serious lag and FPS after porting a couple times ETC "
There's enough decent options out there now and some really promising looking ones in the pipeline not to have to even remotely consider this one again.
I will be writing the "Unofficial Horizons Obituary" next month. Stay tuned. I am putting work into it, since I had fun with HZ for quite some time.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
Horizons had one thing going for them that ran well and stood out above every game to date.
Their crafting system. I'm sad to see that pass on...
KillerTwinkie - That one guy who used to mod mmorpg.com's forums.
HZ is the "living" proof that players are not ready for a game that is 75% crafting. When people ask in the general discussion boards "I want a game based on crafting." and I answer "Horizons is your best bet", the reply is usually "Oh. I heard that game sucks."
It is sad, really.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
"In the past 24 hours, we have 50 new thread(s), 532 new post(s), and 14 new user(s).
In the past 3 days, the most popular thread for everyone has been "Unity Babble". Our members have mostly viewed the thread titled "Re: I want to see this guy on ...". The most posts were made to "Unity Babble".
Please welcome our newest member Kitsuni. "
Its a small community, no one disputes that, but dead? I guess that is a matter of opinion.
A forums site can clearly be edited to show what ever the TulgAE wants it to show. I have been watching for many months and I must say a lot of these names that do sign up for site never post. Now I wonder why anyone would sign up for a site but never post.
Next you will say TulgAE is making a profit. Sure wish they would prove it and finally put the whole thing to rest. Thing is they can't so they won't.
Also what was it almost 22 hours just to get one server up and they are still waiting for the other one? I must say people saying with a bigger db it takes longer to get the server up. Man I am sure WOW and EQ2 both have larger and they don't take 22 hours.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I guess Tulga bribed MMORPG.com to edit my join date here? cause it shows I joined this forum base 3 months before you did. Yet only posted the first time today. There are a lot of reasons people join but dont post.
Its that way with any forum. Sounds like the tin foil hat is too tight, might want to upgrade to a size bigger.
Mmorpg has been a proven game site for a long time. They never had to have a CEO (Bowman) lie about the game from beta on. You just can't expect any of us to accept anything AE or Tulga says with all the lies they have given us. Like the miracle build that was suppose to hit day off release. Like AROP that was suppose to hit Dec. 2004. Now they have people saying AROP is on servers today. Yet it is only the first part and the dev's have already stated they are still writing the rest of AROP let alone hasn't even statred coding it.
So again let us not compare TulgAE who has been caught in so many lies with companies like MMORPG or even VN for that matter.
Again get them to show they are making a profit now. It isn't our fault that a lot of us ex players still believe they ripped us off and didn't even care most of what was on retail box is still not in game to this day. False advertising, I think so. So for how many months did they run thur Bankrupcy and now only making it becasue of money given them from Baker. Show us this game is stanting on it's own two legs.
Also I still don't see how a game that was hype like Horizons was could even have a game that says what it does when they have no collison detection. Well the game has it they just can't turn it on because of how broken the game is. Monsters walking thru walls is not going to make a great game.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Dang Dozer, you ramble a lot but dont say much. lets see if we can bring this back.
First you start this thread off by saying Horizons is not alive
"You can see it by the posts on the community site. I mean just the other day the highest poster on board was a dev with 10 posts. "
I posted the stats from the community forums which show many people still posting.
"In the past 24 hours, we have 50 new thread(s), 532 new post(s), and 14 new user(s).
In the past 3 days, the most popular thread for everyone has been "Unity Babble". Our members have mostly viewed the thread titled "Re: I want to see this guy on ...". The most posts were made to "Unity Babble".
Please welcome our newest member Kitsuni. "
50 new threads and 532 posts in 24 hours. which shows that the community forums while small does have a viable population.
Then your tin foil hat squeezed your head too tight and you accused Tulga of forging the numbers.
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A forums site can clearly be edited to show what ever the TulgAE wants it to show. I have been watching for many months and I must say a lot of these names that do sign up for site never post. Now I wonder why anyone would sign up for a site but never post.
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I used myself here on these forums as an example of someone joining a forum and never posting hence the join date 3 months before yours.
"Registered: 1/23/04
Posts: 2
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Then you went on your rambling about David Bowman and his actions and whether Tulga was making a profit or not. But where does this play into your proof that Horizons is not alive because of low forum numbers? Could it be your grudge for David Bowman since you feel that you got bent over with out getting a kiss, has you seeing ghosts in every corner?
Say whatever you want but without showing me bs forum stats. Show me where it says TulgAE is making money. Show me what was on retail box is in game. Show me where pops on both NA servers are enough to make this game a profit so they can pay their bills. Don't show me bs forum numbers that has nothing to do with the game. Heck I have 10 accounts on that site.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Make up your mind Dozer,
Are the stats BS or not. Cause you yourself used them as proof Horizons is not alive in the very first post in this thread.
Lets quote you again.
"You can see it by the posts on the community site. I mean just the other day the highest poster on board was a dev with 10 posts. "
Did you forget what you stated? Here you are claiming the highest poster was a dev with 10 posts. And you are using it as proof Horizons is not alive. Yet when numbers from the same board are used to show why your argument is flawed, you start saying the board numbers are BS.
So which is it Dozer? are the numbers BS which throws out your reasoning on this whole thread. Or are the numbers from the board useful. Which once again throws out your reasoning.
You have made an arguement, and gave reasoning for that arguement. part of that reasoning were board numbers. I showed you proof that board numbers didnt support your claims. Then you announce that numbers gathered from board statistics are BS. Which means your numbers on the dev with 10 posts is BS as well, Which is the argument you started this thread with.
Now you are going on about profit and other aspects, saying Tulga should show proof of their numbers. Of course those numbers have no bearing on your argument. But from what I have seen here, even if they did show numbers, and they did show they were making a profit, you would claim the numbers were BS and that you dont trust what they say.
Actually if they did show there stats and how much they are making they couldn't make it up without the chance of being caught for filing false information. We want to see the corporate papers and see if they truly are making a profit. Remember from the last day of chapter 11 they were losing 100k+ every month. They have not made a profit from this game as of the ending of bankrupcy. I still say and many others have too, they server pops are just to low for this game to be in the black. You would think if they really were finally making a profit they would prove it. Keep attacking me the bottom line this game is not really the game everyone says it is.
Really people go try the trial and see why so many new players leave before 7 day trial is up.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
So, now you use bankruptcy numbers as your proof, which if you would have done that from the beginning you might have had a leg to stand on. But as it is you claim people are attacking you, yet what we have done is shown you the error of your argument.
Even your use of pre final bankruptcy numbers is flawed as you nor anyone else other than Tulga management know of the actual subscriber numbers. Bankruptcy was finalized in Dec?. 4 months ago, a lot can change in that time, a lot has changed, people are coming back to take a look at the Ancient Rite of Passage, wether they stay long after that who knows, maybe they will , maybe they wont. Others are coming back for the new loot options. Some are leaving.
But wether they are in the black or red is besides the point. You say this game is not what everyone says it is, I think its more to the point that its not what you wanted it to be or expected it to be. So now you have a crusade that has turned obsession for you. Which is really sad. So obsessed with the game you hate but admit to having 10 accounts on its community forums.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Horizons is only "dead" in Dozer's fantasy life. He and others have been predicting the demise of Horizons "any day now" for months & months; time and again they have been proven wrong. Nobody - least of all the fans - will deny that there is still work to be done, or that the playerbase is smaller than WoW or EQ, or that some really bad decisions were made, both during development & after release.
I totally understand why someone might decide Horizons is not the game for them - not everyone looks for community involvement or enjoys working together against a common enemy. Horizons is a niche game and will probably always be a niche game, much the way Anarchy Online is. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I'm disappointed to note that at least one of the board moderators appears to share Dozers's bias against Horizons and scorn for those who play it and enjoy it. If I were to begin trolling the EQ or WoW forums with the same kind of inflammatory statements, factual distortions, slander, and outright lies Dozer has posted here, would I be met with the same tacit encouragement?
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Horizons is only "dead" in Dozer's fantasy life. He and others have been predicting the demise of Horizons "any day now" for months & months; time and again they have been proven wrong. Nobody - least of all the fans - will deny that there is still work to be done, or that the playerbase is smaller than WoW or EQ, or that some really bad decisions were made, both during development & after release.
I totally understand why someone might decide Horizons is not the game for them - not everyone looks for community involvement or enjoys working together against a common enemy. Horizons is a niche game and will probably always be a niche game, much the way Anarchy Online is. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I'm disappointed to note that at least one of the board moderators appears to share Dozers's bias against Horizons and scorn for those who play it and enjoy it. If I were to begin trolling the EQ or WoW forums with the same kind of inflammatory statements, factual distortions, slander, and outright lies Dozer has posted here, would I be met with the same tacit encouragement?
Say what you want but there is no way you can compare WOW or EQ2 both very well made games to the broken console engine HZ has and to the low pops the game is still in trouble with. I am shocked you want to moderate me on facts that I have brought up. It is a fact everything I have said can be verifyed by just trying the trial. Why is it the few left playing HZ needs to try and shut the ones that state true facts of the game?
Klaus I turn the forum over to you I have said my piece and will let the game speak for me. I need to hit a new forum anyway.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Hmm your posts as usual D0Zer are full of incorrect information and conspiracy theories that make sense to only you.
Horizons is not dead in fact I would go so far as to say in the past 2-3 months the game has mantained its numbers and the devs are improving it making a more enjoyable play experience well as much as one can without rewriting the rendering engine.
First , show where anyone but you tried to spin the numbers? You stated the community board was slow, stating the highest poster was a dev with 10 posts. I posted numbers from the community boards, you claimed Tulga could make those numbers anything they wanted. Then you started talking about profit and David bowman being a liar.
I stated that it had no bearing to the argument you brought forth in this thread. I see no one spinning anything other than you and your rambling.
The numbers you posted on the board are also on a day when both servers were down. Not only down but down for quite sometime. So yes the few people that make up the low pops were complaining. Heck chaos was down for 19 to 22 hours and order was down for a time also I think 15 or more hours.
Todays numbers as of now.
In the past 24 hours, we have 40 new thread(s), 349 new post(s), and 3 new user(s).
In the past 3 days, the most popular thread for everyone has been "Unity Babble". Our members have mostly viewed the thread titled "Chaos/Order Patch Notes - 4/19...". The most posts were made to "Unity Babble".
But this is also becasue of login issues because the great coders of TulgAe did something to the login and now many people are having trouble logging in. Lets at least point out the truth of the situation. So in fact if the game does have low pops the numbers we see for the last two days can verify that.
You have a good day now.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Did I deny Horizons has a small community? In fact I even stated in one of my posts that the community of Horizons was small. But I said it wasnt "not alive" as you claimed and used board posts numbers as justification of your claim.
I pointed out your argument was flawed. As the topic of the the thread is "Horizons is not alive" and you used board posts to justifiy it.
Now your claim is that people are only on the boards complaining because Tulga messed up the log in. Yet I only see 5 posts on the first page complaining about the login issue. Several talking about the patch and some of the new stuff in it.
So once again we are back to, you stated a claim, "Horizons is not alive" you gave reasoning, "community forums were not active", I showed where your reasoning seemed flawed, you started on about how Tulga could forge the numbers, then rambling about profits and lies. Which I pointed out had no bearing on your argument.
Now the claim is that the boards are only active because people are there complaining that they cant get in game. Now even giving the benifit of the doubt and saying there are 7 posts complaining about the login issues or down time. There were 40 new posts today. 7 of 40 is not even a majority of posts complaining. So once again I see your reasoning as flawed.
But wait, could it be all those new posts are by Tulga employees using different accounts? I mean if you have 10 accounts yourself, that means each Tulga employee should have like 100 or so. Of course thats it!. to make it look like some sort of community, the Tulga employees sit around all day and just post to the community forums and talk to them selves.
Honestly Dozer, your crusade against David Bowman has turned into an obsession which has become a bore.
The Horizons community is small, no one knows what the financials look like except the investors and management. You can make all the guesses you want. But Horizons is still going even after all your previous dire predictions and doomsday claims.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Those numbers are hardly accurate.
The game is growing and while it is not huge it never will be I wont speculate as to if they are making a profit or not but the claim that the game is not alive is inaccurate.
While people play it is alive