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D0ZeR
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Mithan posted this over on Horizons VN board.
Due to the lack of use, all Horizons Boards (including the Server Boards) are being closed down. The Horizons General Board will be left up for the time being.
This change will be done early this week, perhaps as early as Monday or Tuesday.
Thank you all.
Like I stated before no one plays this game only a very few. No way TulgAE is making any profit. But if they are I sure would like to see the proof of this.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
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It's making a very nice comeback, thank you. Server populations and subscriber numbers are up, new players are up, and some very nice new content is in the works. Yes, there is more to be done and some stuff we're still waiting for; no argument there. Even the most dedicated fan can give you a laundry list of issues they want to see addressed.
The best option would be for you to make up your own mind and find out if it's a game you would like. Try the 7-day trial, see what you think. If you want to play on Chaos, join General chat & say "hi". Most folks will be happy to answer questions & help you get started.
Good gaming, wherever you fare!
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Yes I admit the pops have gone up a little. But they have had a open house going on for awhile now and it ends April 19. I can pretty much guarantee the pops of 300 to 350 will go down fast. Most will not pay to play this broken game.
Go read what problems is still going on at community site. But if you really need to see how bad the game is go get the trial and the game will prove what I say.
Forgot to say the weekend numbers are always lower which is weird. Like 120 to 125.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Hardly.
You have no factual basis for that assertion. You don't play and have not played in, what, over a year now?
Isn't it about time you gave up your little propaganda war and moved on? No matter how much you rant, spin, distort, and fabricate, Horizons is still here and still going strong with an active & viable subscriber base.
In point of fact, just like all MMOs, Horizons has a much higher population weekend evenings than it does weekdays during the day. Weekday evenings vary; sometimes you can see waves of people saying that they're logging out to watch 'Survivor', for example. Except during weekend days, Marketplace chat usually has 100-150 people in it during the week. Weekends, as I said, are always higher.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Sorry but I have played and seen the numbers myself. But here is someone on VN boards that has a lot to say about numbers.
Grim wrote:
Chaos averages nightly from 6PM est to 11PM est 302 people visible. I have figured out that the break point between very light and light is 300 people on. I can guess another 50 people on anon if that since this isn't really done much anymore. SO I will chaose averages between 300 to 400 people nightly. Weekend mornings and afternoons see chaos ranging from 120 to 250 people visible. I have never seen it go past 359 people visible. There was a slight increase during the open house period but not significant.
Next time I try trial will be after 19th so I can put forth true numbers again to this game. Not the reseller TulgAE pay me to lie about this broken game. I still can't believe anyone woiuld buy into a game that can't even run collision detection without running into problems. So how could the one basis of the game fighting the WA even work if they can walk thur everything and anything.
Oh look the game is still working as intended. Why does this stuff happen almost every week?
http://community.istaria.com/Web/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=63680
Yea I can't make this stuff up.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
That link is discussing issues on Unity, which is not operated or supported by Tulga. Tulga provides GN with the game updates - the same ones Chaos & Order get - but GN does the implementation. Issues like those referred to in the thread can (and are) usually be resolved in a few minutes by a CSR or WM if they happen on the North American servers.
I really feel for the players on Unity. GN is not doing a very good job of running the game or supporting the customers, but unfortunatly, Tulga employees *cannot* support the EU players. I keep hoping, for the Unity players' sake, that Tulga and GN can work something out to either get Unity the support it needs or transfer operations back to Tulga.
I'm aware of the numbers Grim posted; you're comparing weekday nights to weekend days. I expect you'll see the same pattern with any MMO - days lower, nights higher, weekends and holidays highest. I also expect that server population will drop a bit when summer break hits. That's normal, and also happens with every MMO.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
I wonder have you seen the security alert every time they login to EU server.
https://horizons.eu.istaria.com/default.aspx?c=US
TulgAE has to pay to have this cert. paid and installed. Yet for at least 2 weeks that I know of they have ignored the issue and refuse to fix it. Some say TulgAE can't afford a new cert and this is why players have to click thru. I also agree GN and EU servers are not aided in anyway by TulgAE they give them patches then don't help to fix them when they have problems which GN has complained about. In fact some players call the EU server the slum of Horizons because TulgAE refuses to fix the issues they have. GN may run the server but the software is all TulgAE.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
GN has the cert - Luca has stated this several times. All they have to do is install it. GN keeps saying they need written permission to install it, though I personally think this is a stalling tactic GN is employing. Any contract to provide services would mandate that GN carry out normal operational updates as needed to the servers and the software.
Unity is caught in a bad situation, but I look to GN as the culprit rather than Tulga. It is in Tulga's best interests to keep their players happy, and Unity is not happy at all right now. Tulga has no way to help Unity players or resolve issues for them - all that has to be done by GN. If GN wants something from Tulga, they can bring pressure to bear by doing the absolute minimum they are obligated to under the contract, thus costing Tulga subscribers and community goodwill. Tulga can either give in or find a basis for revoking the contract and take management of the servers back. This is just a theory, mind, and I hope the truth is somewhat less cynical.
As I said, Tulga *cannot* help EU players with their issues. Customer service is handled by GN and Tulga employees have no access to Unity. I think AE made a very big mistake in not managing the EU servers (in fact, in *having* seperate EU servers at all...) themselves, but the current misery of Unity players is due entirely to poor management and support by GN.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Amazing that it is always someone else's fault.
GN fault for this cert.
Verio's fault for DB accepting a contract for servers and bw that couldn't run the game.
I guess it was IGN's fault for charging to much to advertise the game.
I guess it was the landlord's fault for having to lose money because of charging too much.
Yep I see it now TulgAE has been the victim this whole time.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I personally think your biased on your opinion largely because you still refer to Tulga as TulgAE which is Tulga not TulgAE. Chris has control of the company. David Bowman might still be in charge of the crew and the project but Chris is making the Decisive calls now not Bowman. Even David had to answer to the Owners of AE when deciding to do this or that.
If you don't like the game go away already. Find a life in yet another MMORPG. It's not your responsibility to "forwarn any potential new players that Horizons may or maynot be there for long".
Unless you work for the company and develop the game. You don't know your guessing.
I play on Order, I see it still mostly empty but several have returned. I left returned, Hellcat, Phillip, several other have left and are returning. Why because we like the game for aspects it has that no other MMORPG has. Yes it still has many problems, but I find they are still patching. The game is getting more content, the first part of the Ancient Right of Passage was incorporated, and although slow (probably because of the limited budget), they are working and fixing the game.
I would say hopefully in another 6 to 12 months we may see a drastically improved Horizons. It will always have a player base that enjoys it. The question is, Is the player base enough to get it afloat?
AE desolved, is gone, no more. Tulga is the new owner, yes it was shady. But, thats business, like it or not. They are not the first company to use that method to gain a fresh start.
Simply put, if you don't like Horizons? Find something else to play. Let others play the trial and judge for themselves. They'll find out soon enough if it's for them or not.
I like how you state the server you play on is still empty. That does show what I been saying is true. As far as CT being in charge I doubt that very much. He may be acting that way now for show sake. But all the chapter 11 did was move everyone from AE to Tulga which is why many of us call it TUlgAE. Did you even see when and how they made Tulga? Do you know the story behind it? It was all a scam that unfortunatly does happen in our courts. Maybe legal but a lot see it as unethical. Heck it shows that in the bankrupcy papers. I hope they still have cash to operate for your sake but I am sure they are still losing 100k every month. The numbers are just not there to have it be any other way. Again if they are making a profit and the company is finally making money are all this time. Lets see the money. Prove it, but you see they can't so they won't.
As far as me moving on they ripped me off by having me buy a box that has nothing of the content in game that was on the box. Then they have a broken engine and not only that use a engine that is made for consoles. Which is why no matter what software coding they do the over all engine problems will still be there. They need a new engine and make the game they sold us. But they will never happen. This game will fail and is failing which is why it is dead. This is just the Dawn of the Dead right now.
Oh I agree I tell people to try the trial. Once they do majority do leave. Heck that is stated in a few posts on community board in how to keep the newbies.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Well I can see you are very biased about it.
You feel ripped off for paying $40 for a game and feel the whole world should be warned about something that changes every patch from the content that was on the original cd's. Everquest is not the same as what was on the installation CD's. Even WOW has changed. That happens with an evolving code.
Decisions are made good or bad that effect the game and content within it. The Mature thing to do would be, Hey I don't like this game it was a bad choice, So I'm out $40 lession learned. But no you sound like you have a personal vendetta.
As far the judicial system. Well thats a product of well us. If you don't like that they could do what they did. There's no one to blame but us since we are the one's that empowered our officals to make those decisions. Democracy!
Yes I know what the game was like I was in Beta. I still play the game, you apparently don't. Although what AE did to save Horizons was unethical. It was legal. You have the right to not play the game. But you should be warned about another thing called slander. You can voice an opinion but if your not careful things can be deemed slanderous and again the unethical courts can come into the picture.
Moral of the story, get a life, and move on. $40 on a game is not worth beating a dead horse for the rest of your life. You don't like Horizons, ok, we got that. Let other decide for themselves.
So far every post I've read from this Dozer fellow are negative towards horizons no matter how much proof to the contrary is put back in his face. He used some stats then someone else used the stats to show the opposite then he switched to something else.. Anyway Dozer I hope most people are see'n what I'm see'n.. you are bias'd against this game for some reason period, you just won't let it go man... I don't even play horizons yet. I don't plan on it right now - too many excellent new games coming out but, I just hope your opinion doesn't effect anyones judgement against this game...
Advice: GET OVER IT.. MOVE ON! STOP THE TROLLIN'
So far every post I've read from this Dozer fellow are negative towards horizons no matter how much proof to the contrary is put back in his face. He used some stats then someone else used the stats to show the opposite then he switched to something else.. Anyway Dozer I hope most people are see'n what I'm see'n.. you are bias'd against this game for some reason period, you just won't let it go man... I don't even play horizons yet. I don't plan on it right now - too many excellent new games coming out but, I just hope your opinion doesn't effect anyones judgement against this game...
Advice: GET OVER IT.. MOVE ON! STOP THE TROLLIN'
So I take it you think what I been saying is a lie?
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
So far every post I've read from this Dozer fellow are negative towards horizons no matter how much proof to the contrary is put back in his face. He used some stats then someone else used the stats to show the opposite then he switched to something else.. Anyway Dozer I hope most people are see'n what I'm see'n.. you are bias'd against this game for some reason period, you just won't let it go man... I don't even play horizons yet. I don't plan on it right now - too many excellent new games coming out but, I just hope your opinion doesn't effect anyones judgement against this game...
Advice: GET OVER IT.. MOVE ON! STOP THE TROLLIN'
So I take it you think what I been saying is a lie?
I'm just saying it gets old watching you try to kick a dead horse... GET OVER IT GEEZ...
I really am trying to get over it but I hate being ripped off by a 3rd class company. I also have a problem with people making statements about how great the game is and they refuse to tell the truth about all the problems the game has. Just exploring in this game is just down right bad. When going into an area you have to stand still and wait any where from 1 to 2 minutes for mobs and or mining objects to show up. It just shows why a console enegine can't work with a pc game.
But I will try to do what you ask. Just my small way to get my money back.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Hey DOZer,
I was just curious, were you asked to leave the VN Horizons Board? I just noticed you stopped posting (daily) over there and near the same time you started posting over here. I know you want to bash the game every chance you get, but don't you think its time to move on?
Bulgrim StoneCleaver
Dwarven Master Crafter
Reaver/Shaman/Healer/Mage
Veteran of many MMO's
I can post at vn I was never banned. Just time to move to another site to get word out about game.
In fact I use 4 nicks on vn.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Different nicks for different game forums? Or is there some other functionality this grants you that isn't readily apparent?
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
You sure seem interested in me.
Why haven't you posted about how what you call a new engine has been put on hold and the software redo could take months before they get close to finishing it. But then this is really only going by regular users posting on community site. Nothing in writing by a dev that would prove it.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I haven't mentioned it because at this point I consider it an unconfirmed rumor. I think it makes sense, though, to hold off releasing the new asset manager until it can be integrated into the new client and tested as a whole. That way they only have one transition giving tech support fits.
I'm sure the client rewrite is a very high priority; I'm also sure it's going to be several months at least before we see it live. My hope is that we will get an official statement about exactly what is being worked on, what the *estimated* timeline is, and how the transition will be accomplished when the time comes.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Please show us where a dev or CEO has stated this.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
What part of "I haven't mentioned it because at this point I consider it an unconfirmed rumor" and "My hope is that we will get an official statement.." are you incapable of comprehending?
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
This is only rumor also but you seem to make it as fact. Until a dev or CEO verify's it on the forums it can't be taken as truth.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
It'll take them YEARS to redo the client if they can overrun one little quest some 6 months. Would take long enough for a competent dev team. Even assuming the game lives that long it'll be like charging a monthly fee to play Nethack at that point. Sure is a great excuse for little visible development though.