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Trying to understand what is so special about DFUW
huxflux2003
Member Posts: 21
I find it dull and outdated, but maybe I have not given it the attention it needs. Some questions:
- Is there a story/lore for the DF world?
- Is there a way to progress and become more powerful/geared/experienced other than mindlessly grinding the same mob type over and over again?
- Apart from the prowess system (all actions generate the same points called prowess, more of which makes you better in everything), are there any other systems in game that are worth mentioning/understanding/exploiting?
- Are there various builds for each class that each would take some experimentation and different playstyles to work?
- Is there a vast amount of different items that make looting interesting?
- Does PvP really require skill and tactics or is it just grinding mobs for ever and when at the appropriate prowess quick turning around yourself and clicking 2 buttons?
- Is there a consequence PvP system in place that promotes PvP, while at the same time protecting lower level players? Eve is a great example of this.
- What prevents griefers crossing the safe zone line and laugh at my uber-PvPer friend that just came to protect me?
- Are there magnificent, hand crafted places that leave you just staring at them?
- Is there vertical sync?
- Do I need to lose my job, girlfriend and all other interests in order to just stand a chance in having some fun with this game?
- Is there an auction house?
- Why is this a sandbox? Please explain the sandbox elements of the game. Lacking quests, lore, a progress system and every other system does not make a game sandbox, but half-baked.
Thanks
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One more:
- Do all players have the mindset of the guy above?
Cheers mate.
It's a PvP conquest game that attracts the most toxic community any game has ever had.
To be honest, I love their PvP system, and I wish more games would make use of the ideas there, but DF:UW lacks in almost every other measurable way in my opinion. If they had made a more well-rounded game around the PvP system I would be inclined to play it, but right now it's just a game where you take turns being dead with other people, usually by getting ganked by groups of players with nothing better to do.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Good one.
The best way I can tell you about what makes Darkfall so special is to talk about actual gameplay experience.
My initial goal was to kill swamp hags. It’s been hard to do since all the spawns are heavily camped. So I left the island Ruby, which is the southwestern island on the map, and made the trek to Alfar lands. http://yourmom.at/agon/
Enroute, close to my destination I come across a lone Ork fishing. I’m a Primalist and charged up my Virtuous Wrath spell and blasted him in the back. He was not afk and immediately turned around. I didn’t attack anymore and just continued merrily along my way and sent the ugly Ork a message saying that I just wanted to make sure he was on his toes. He laughed and followed me and together we went to the chaos stone. I bound myself to the stone, which means if I recall or get killed, I will spawn at that location. It was within spitting distance of the swamp hag spawn of which I needed about 140 of them.
I start making my way over to the poisonous swamp with my new ugly friend in tow. There is another person already there, but with the 3 of us, the respawns are quicker so no one attacked each other. I found a spot high on a cliff, content that we were working together but not trusting enough to be fighting side by side. I started raining death from above and was making good progress but started getting really tired. One thing to know about Swamp Hags is that during the games day cycle the swamp hags are pretty easy to kill. However, come night time, they spawn into Night Hags and they are a pain in the ass and are a lot harder to kill. So as I was saying, I started getting tired and I have about 50 swamp hags left and then the games day cycle changed to night and figured I’d call it a day and I quit.
The next morning I re-entered Agon renewed and ready to finish off the hags. Excellent, the spawn is empty and I start killing away. I realize I’m running out of spirit beads which are required to cast my spells. I need only 8 more hags when I see two enemy players. I know they are enemies because they start running straight at me, and I don’t think the arrow that was knocked and the fireball that was charged was intended for Swamp Hags . One is an elementalist and the other is a skirmisher (archer). There was no escaping the much more mobile Skirmisher so I started using up all spells in my arsenal and fought the fight of my short UW career. They were not very good players, but they both had triple the prowess points of me. I was zig zagging, using terrain, managing my stats well and they were doing a lot of damage to each other. I actually had both players on the ropes but I kept having to peel off and switch targets and never could get off a finishing blow. Eventually they brought me down, but they didn’t get much in terms of loot.
I regear, but only take minimal regs and make my way back to the spawn. It appears the two that killed me were the first of 5-6 players from the same guild. They had that spawn on lock down and didn’t look like they were in the sharing mood. I jumped out from behind the rock that I was crouching behind and shot off a bolt, getting a killing blow on the Hag they were beating on. Awesome, just reduced my total remaining hags to 7. This action seemed to piss off the clan though as they all descended on me like a bunch of fat guys at a buffet.
Sorry guys, this got to be a long story, so I will simply say that they eventually left and I finished my feat. Which felt really good.
We're a community that has 2 contemporary games that cater to our niche. One is internet spaceships known as EVE and whatever you want to call DFUW. I'm not saying this game is perfect, or even close, but it's really all we've had for over a decade, and that's made us a somewhat cynical bunch.
A good analogy would be if you really loved playing No-Limit Texas Hold'em, and one day they just decided to make all games fixed limit, which is where you can only bet a maximum amount per bet, making the game more about luck than skill. Then a casino comes out and says it's bringing back no-limit, and after 8 years of waiting, they finally come out with it, but the deck isn't full.. That was DF1. Now DFUW comes out and it actually has some promise.. Now understand why our community can be a little defensive when people criticize our one hope for the game we really want to play.
What bothers me the most is when people who create accounts on this forum just to bash this game, because the game itself is quite polarizing. Some people love it, and some people will absolutely hate it. I just don't want someone to come onto this forum looking for a game and then see someone with 4 posts and take their experience as being the end all say all.
I personally love the game, despite being frustrated by it a lot.. But I also recognize the way AV has gone about its release and I really see that they're much better at managing an MMO then before.
Everyone hopes that just in few months the game will reach it's true potential - and it never happens, because game like that is never truly finished.
Original UO was unfinished, with horrible exploits ruining the gameplay - but people still loved it, even in it's original form.
ArcheAge will be next - the sky-high ambitions are put into test when real people start playing, and find ways to get advantage never intended by developers.
As long as people see that the game is evolving in right direction, they remain optimistic, and enjoy truly unique experiences not found anywhere else.
Just wanted you to get an answer from a person who really knows this game. I played DF1 for years, played DFUW all beta and now it has taken over my life. No game I've ever played even comes close. Honestly I've tried bout EVERY MMO, DF is the ONLY one that can keep my attention and that is because every time you log in its a new experiance.
Also I agree the first guys answers to your questions were kinda annoying. Personally just about EVERY old school DF player I've ever got to talk to is pretty cool. Few douches but thats life.
(Uzik ibnYaraq in game. Always willing to help.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/UzikAlJhamin
He's was just trying to put the game down, not get real answers, which is why I was pretty sarcastic in my responses to his seemingly condescending questions.
No, I wasn't. I just think the game is awful and felt i wasted my money. I am trying to see what there is to like, since there are so many fans out there. I guess I am missing something.
You are probably not missing anything and this game is just not for your taste. Darkfall is not for everyone.
What is it exactly that you are looking in an mmorpg? Are there any mmorpgs that you actually like?
Sure, I play EVE since 2005. I played SWG until they destroyed it. I also like Rift, GW2 and think that WoW is amazing.
I would understand DF if it was a quality product for a special kind of gamer. What I dont understand is how such a poorly made game has the ability to create a fan base, lie to it and repeat!
Injenu was pretty much spot on on his latest message then. Nothing to see here folks, move along,
Yeah it's kinda amazing. They promised the game first november 2012 and then there was some minor issues and they would release 2 weeks later in december 2012. Then the months went on and about 6 months later the game was finally released with loads of missing features.
The game was far from ready late 2012, Aventurine knew it and lied too their community. My guess is they needed funding to continue develop and that's why they promised a ready game late 2012 and got all the preoder money in.
I bought it but i wont support those liars over at Aventurine any more.
Did my taste for games dissapoint you? I guess liking WoW is not acceptable in this forum?
no, liking wow is perfectly acceptable. trolling not so much though
I am just saying my opinion mate. Sorry if you disagree, but this is not trolling.
Come on dude. You are just trying provoke.
What i dont understand is how this game is getting so many haters. I mean, at least its trying to be different to all those wow clones out there, it was created by a small indie company and its not like it can ever be a real threat to the supposedly AAA mmorpgs like WOW, GW2, ESO, etc. I can totaly understand if you don't like it, but why all the hate? Why spam the forums with how bad you think it is?
I bought GW2 and i found it absolutely dreadful for my taste, yet i didn't bother to spam the GW2 forums, i just stopped playing and found something else to spend my time on.
I think partly because this game reminds people how cowardly they are. They would love to join the fun but the words "full loot" make them run crying to mommy.
It's silly because in reality there's nothing really hardcore about this game. Sure you lose your gear from time to time but it's so easily replaceable it's really a non issue.
On top of that you have the unlucky few who bought the game but can't play it in good conditions (usually because their PC is old and the game crashes every 10 minutes).
Finally there might even be a layer of xenophobia going on here. Aventurine is a Greek/Norwegian company. Some folks in the States might hate it just for that.
So the bad UI, the prowess grindfest or the awful animations are not even worth mentioning as problems?