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Could this xpac relaunch the game to be as popular as Neverwinter?

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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Never played STO but isn't it like Eve, where your characters are ships? 

    Nope, your character is a captain, with (at least in the end) many ships in the shipyard, and lots of officers trained and promoted by you. In space, which is one part of the game, you indeed control your actual ship (as in characters are ships) since you're the captain. So partly true, you moving around and combat with a ship as the avatar.

    On ground, which is the other part of the game, you control your captain like in any other mmo. Depending on the situation your officers are with you for help and support. Oh, and a few updates before the target mode was inserted too, so on ground you can even play in TPS mode like in Defiance for example. But the regular tab-target is still there ofc.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    I doubt anything SciFi will ever be as popular as Fantasy, especially something as popular as D&D and its rich history.  Never played STO but isn't it like Eve, where your characters are ships?  Huge turn off for a lot of people that want to Role Play a singular entity, and a Heroic Entity at that.  IMO its way more immersive and fun to play as Frodo then it is to play as Starship Enterprise.  Well that is my jsutification for only playing fantasy games anyway.

    What about MMOs that are a blending of Sci Fi and Fantasy, like Phantasy Star Online 2 (yes that is a pun/play on words, but that isn't the reason why I brought it up).

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    Originally posted by MadDemon64
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

    STO is hard core asian grind crap game but it is still very popular coz it is Star Trek mmo.

    Noticed ,some peoples mentioned 3th faction,STO is 2 faction game it is burn in stone now,Romulans are not faction it is only playable species on KDF/Fed side.

     

    1.  STO is made by an American company.  By definition of "asian grind game", that makes it impossible to be an asian grind game.

    2.  Every game has grind, even WoW.  Get over it.

    3.  There is indeed a third faction being introduced.  This has already been established a while ago.  Before this, Romulans have not been a playable species in STO.  People could create a facimile of Romulans in the character creation, but they will not be a playable species until the expansion.  Please pay attention to the dev blogs if you are going to try to post a statement that is easily proven false by searching them so you can avoid doing so and damaging your argument.

    oh yeah ,  who care is it american company if gameplay concept is asian  hard core grind concept(after Season 5,before game concept was different)

     

    yeah STO is multiple faction game we have ferengi faction,orion faction,nausican faction,gorn faction...i have changeling(alien creation) use jem hadar ship,and it is dominion faction right? ...

     

     

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph
    Originally posted by MadDemon64
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

    STO is hard core asian grind crap game but it is still very popular coz it is Star Trek mmo.

    Noticed ,some peoples mentioned 3th faction,STO is 2 faction game it is burn in stone now,Romulans are not faction it is only playable species on KDF/Fed side.

     

    1.  STO is made by an American company.  By definition of "asian grind game", that makes it impossible to be an asian grind game.

    2.  Every game has grind, even WoW.  Get over it.

    3.  There is indeed a third faction being introduced.  This has already been established a while ago.  Before this, Romulans have not been a playable species in STO.  People could create a facimile of Romulans in the character creation, but they will not be a playable species until the expansion.  Please pay attention to the dev blogs if you are going to try to post a statement that is easily proven false by searching them so you can avoid doing so and damaging your argument.

    oh yeah ,  who care is it american company if gameplay concept is asian  hard core grind concept(after Season 5,before game concept was different)

     

    yeah STO is multiple faction game we have ferengi faction,orion faction,nausican faction,gorn faction...i have changeling(alien creation) use jem hadar ship,and it is dominion faction right? ... 

    Well, I suppose one could argue that "it doesn't matter who makes the game but if it plays like an asian grinder then it is an asian grinder", so I can't fault you on that, but so far too few people have called it a grinder for me to consider it as such (plus it has yet to feel grindy to me, so there's that).

    Also, regarding your "faction" comment, did you seriously just contradict yourself to make a nonsensical comeback?  First you say that "they are only introducing the Romulan as a playable race and not as a faction independant of the KDF or Federation factions", and now you claim that "oh, there are multiple factions, including the ferengi, orion, nausican, etc?  For starters, those are all species, not factions ( with the exception of the dominion, but thats just splitting hairs).  Secondly, you completely miss the point of there being members of one species being different factions.  Finally, again, it was OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED that the Romulans would be their own faction.  Once again, if you are going to make a claim, please make one that isn't disproven by looking at the title of a press release.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • GibboniciGibbonici Member UncommonPosts: 472
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph
    Originally posted by MadDemon64
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

    STO is hard core asian grind crap game but it is still very popular coz it is Star Trek mmo.

    Noticed ,some peoples mentioned 3th faction,STO is 2 faction game it is burn in stone now,Romulans are not faction it is only playable species on KDF/Fed side.

     

    1.  STO is made by an American company.  By definition of "asian grind game", that makes it impossible to be an asian grind game.

    2.  Every game has grind, even WoW.  Get over it.

    3.  There is indeed a third faction being introduced.  This has already been established a while ago.  Before this, Romulans have not been a playable species in STO.  People could create a facimile of Romulans in the character creation, but they will not be a playable species until the expansion.  Please pay attention to the dev blogs if you are going to try to post a statement that is easily proven false by searching them so you can avoid doing so and damaging your argument.

    oh yeah ,  who care is it american company if gameplay concept is asian  hard core grind concept(after Season 5,before game concept was different) 

     

     

    I have to wonder if you've ever played an Asian grinder if you think STO is like one.

     

  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Ummm what do you mean make popular? the game already has great healthy population. You make it sound as if STO is dead. When was the last time you played the game OP? it is full of players.

     

    Agreed.  The game appears to be pretty popular as it is.  No, it's not challenging for the top spot amongst all MMOs, but it has a strong playerbase as it is.

    And, I believe that the expansion will bump that up significantly, at least in the short term.  The game has been steadily improving, and a lot of players, both new and old, have been noticing.  LoR should add to that.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • What I need to know to consider playing again is if the ground combat has been vastly improved since launch. I thought the character movement, animations and simple combat was really bad. Enjoyed the space combat and character creation
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749
    Originally posted by Deznts
    What I need to know to consider playing again is if the ground combat has been vastly improved since launch. I thought the character movement, animations and simple combat was really bad. Enjoyed the space combat and character creation

    As I wrote above to azzamasin, there's a TPS mode on ground since about a year. It affect only the targeting and the combat pace mostly, movement is more or less the same as was before, animations got better during the years.

    I guess it's simplier to just link the Cryptic video of it :)  http://youtu.be/94j3m1WkQgQ

  • Originally posted by Po_gg
    Originally posted by Deznts
    What I need to know to consider playing again is if the ground combat has been vastly improved since launch. I thought the character movement, animations and simple combat was really bad. Enjoyed the space combat and character creation

    As I wrote above to azzamasin, there's a TPS mode on ground since about a year. It affect only the targeting and the combat pace mostly, movement is more or less the same as was before, animations got better during the years.

    I guess it's simplier to just link the Cryptic video of it :)  http://youtu.be/94j3m1WkQgQ

    Thank you so very much for that link! That is exactly what I needed to see. Starting download now. Thank you!

  • Originally posted by Deznts
    Originally posted by Po_gg
    Originally posted by Deznts
    What I need to know to consider playing again is if the ground combat has been vastly improved since launch. I thought the character movement, animations and simple combat was really bad. Enjoyed the space combat and character creation

    As I wrote above to azzamasin, there's a TPS mode on ground since about a year. It affect only the targeting and the combat pace mostly, movement is more or less the same as was before, animations got better during the years.

    I guess it's simplier to just link the Cryptic video of it :)  http://youtu.be/94j3m1WkQgQ

    Thank you so very much for that link! That is exactly what I needed to see. Starting download now. Thank you!

    And now I'm back here to share my crushing disappointment when I logged in to find my account has no characters anymore. Epic fail PW, epic fail.

  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730
    Originally posted by Deznts
    Originally posted by Deznts
    Originally posted by Po_gg
    Originally posted by Deznts
    What I need to know to consider playing again is if the ground combat has been vastly improved since launch. I thought the character movement, animations and simple combat was really bad. Enjoyed the space combat and character creation

    As I wrote above to azzamasin, there's a TPS mode on ground since about a year. It affect only the targeting and the combat pace mostly, movement is more or less the same as was before, animations got better during the years.

    I guess it's simplier to just link the Cryptic video of it :)  http://youtu.be/94j3m1WkQgQ

    Thank you so very much for that link! That is exactly what I needed to see. Starting download now. Thank you!

    And now I'm back here to share my crushing disappointment when I logged in to find my account has no characters anymore. Epic fail PW, epic fail.

     

    Have you linked your Cryptic and PW accounts?  Don't know if that's the issue, just asking.

    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=784201

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749

    I think he probably did, or else he'd stuck during login because it's not a live PWE account.

    Maybe this will be his case (from the faq)

     

    I'm sure that I linked my Cryptic account, but when I log in, all of my old characters are missing! Were they deleted?
    Rest assured that we do not delete characters, even on inactive accounts. What probably happened is that your pre-existing Cryptic account was not successfully linked to your PWE account. We can fix this for you: send us a ticket from the support site or email us at customerservice@perfectworld.com.

  • CaldrinCaldrin Member UncommonPosts: 4,505
    Originally posted by syntax42

    This does not sound like an expansion pack.  It sounds like they rearranged the UI and enabled some graphics fluff in the graphics engine.  Asian MMOs do that all the time.  They add bloom, depth-of-field, motion-blur, and make the screen image seem softer, and people are tricked into thinking those are good graphics.  In reality, the Asian MMOs that do this are using very bad graphics and taking advantage of video cards to distort the image into looking decent.  If that's all Star Trek did, this is not an expansion pack.

     

    Expansion packs have traditionally added significant amounts of content.  A graphics update or UI change would be categorized as just another client patch.  So, are they adding content, or is this just a major patch?  I have genuine interest in the game, but only if they are producing real content.  I have no desire to look at their web site and try to figure out where they put that information.

    Yes they are adding content.. an entire new race the Romulans that I would have thought would include new areas, new missions, new ships, new minor races.. along with the graphics update and new UI it sounds like an xpack to me..

     

     

     

     

  • PNM_JenningsPNM_Jennings Member UncommonPosts: 1,093
    how's the f2p on it? honestly the vast number of high-end looking ships and officers in their shop is a turn off. are the best ships available in game?
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749
    Originally posted by atticusbc
    how's the f2p on it? honestly the vast number of high-end looking ships and officers in their shop is a turn off. are the best ships available in game?

    Ships have a big part in your character build, but on their own they're only just a shell (true, there are some minor differences between them at the same level). How you equip and customize your ship is much more important. Weapons, consoles, engine, etc. and then the Bridge and Duty Officers, the options are almost limitless.

    What I want to say with the above, there's no such thing as "best ships". I admit, if you're a highly competitve player with a heavy min-maxing focus, then yes, you can find "best builds" for every role, and in those specific builds suggesting 1 ship (or 2 similar) for the job. But you can be almost as effective with a different ship too.

    Same goes to the Bridge Officers, no best one among them either. And I think there are no BOffs in Store, what you see was probably DOff packs. Those are for the DOff minigame (like booster packs in a TCG card game) and only give a few % even for a min-maxer build.

     

    And as a sidenote, since you can earn Zen in-game (the Store currency), you can buy anything from the Store for free if you play long enough. But again, you don't need Store ships at all, unless you want to min-max your build and you're willing to pay for that extra few % (with money or with your play time).

  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    Originally posted by atticusbc
    how's the f2p on it? honestly the vast number of high-end looking ships and officers in their shop is a turn off. are the best ships available in game?

    if you  have job & RL ,no free time for grind dilithium daylies,you ll must spend some RL cash ,or you ll be limited on SP /asocial aspect  in  game.

    Or if you wish ignore Z store,find active fleet with players who playing for fun & relaxing,join premades & ignore pug queues.You'll have fun for sure

    Most peoples in game are nice but you ll fill your ignore list fast with assholes when start playing fleet action & elite STF, they forget  self  starting times,without experience &  Z store ships /consoles.

    You can run elites without good gear ,they are easy after Seasson 5(elites are easy than was old rare admiral instance) but some players cant understand it.

     

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722

    i tried this game a long time ago (trial) when it was still sub based, and again right after going f2p. I couldnt get past the combat and got overwhelmed with so much information on screen. However, i logged in last night again and i didnt want to log out. The game has improved a lot and its a good looking game too. Im looking forward to the expansion.





  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823
    Let's get something clear , they are adding Romulans as a playable species. In game, with their own ships and partial story line. In the end they are not their own faction,you become part of the Klingon Empire and it's playable species and ships , or UFP with it's playable species and ships. This will remain and is a 2 faction game. I can hardly wait until they do that to the Borg ! /sarcasmoff  Thankfully Cryptic is now 3 years into the IP, hopefully at year 5, CBS doesn't renew the contract.

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  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by AG-Vuk
    Let's get something clear , they are adding Romulans as a playable species. In game, with their own ships and partial story line. In the end they are not their own faction,you become part of the Klingon Empire and it's playable species and ships , or UFP with it's playable species and ships. This will remain and is a 2 faction game. I can hardly wait until they do that to the Borg ! /sarcasmoff  Thankfully Cryptic is now 3 years into the IP, hopefully at year 5 CBS , doesn't renew the contract.

    Everyone on the STO forums refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.

    All the news sites that talk about the expansion refer to the Romulans as being part of the third faction, the Romulan Republic.

     

    The dev blogs have all referred to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.

    The announcement refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.

    The official website for the expansion pack refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.

    The only person who has not refferred to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic, is you.  You and you alone.  

    You are outvoted.  You are outnumbered.  You are wrong.  The Romulans are part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.  I know, the concept of Cryptic doing something that is winning naysayers like you over is about as foreign as the concept of you admitting that you are wrong, but just face the facts.  Cryptic is winning naysayers over, and you are wrong about the STO expansion.  Deal with it and stop making up stuff that is easily disproven with the simplest of google searches.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Everyone on the STO forums refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.  



    I don't know about "everyone", but there are some who do. I'm in the camp that's calling the Romulans a "fraction". Their new content is nice, but having them side with the KDF or Federation doesn't make them a third faction IMO. Feel free to disagree if you like.


    The only person who has not refferred to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic, is you.  You and you alone.  
      

    Not true.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Everyone on the STO forums refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.  

     

    I don't know about "everyone", but there are some who do. I'm in the camp that's calling the Romulans a "fraction". Their new content is nice, but having them side with the KDF or Federation doesn't make them a third faction IMO. Feel free to disagree if you like.

    Well, seeing as how it has already been stated by the developers that romulans are their own faction and not members of the KDF or Federation, I have no choice but to disagree with you, since you are wrong.

     

    Originally posted by Valoreah

    The only person who has not refferred to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic, is you.  You and you alone.  

    Not true.

    Congratulations, you are all of two people who have referred to the Romulans as being part of the KDF or Federation factions, compared to the hundreds, if not thousands, including the devs of the game, who have referred to the Romulans as being their own faction.  This does not change the fact that the two of you are still wrong.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • evictonevicton Member Posts: 398
    Originally posted by MadDemon64
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Everyone on the STO forums refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.  

     

    I don't know about "everyone", but there are some who do. I'm in the camp that's calling the Romulans a "fraction". Their new content is nice, but having them side with the KDF or Federation doesn't make them a third faction IMO. Feel free to disagree if you like.

    Well, seeing as how it has already been stated by the developers that romulans are their own faction and not members of the KDF or Federation, I have no choice but to disagree with you, since you are wrong.

     

    Originally posted by Valoreah

    The only person who has not refferred to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic, is you.  You and you alone.  

    Not true.

    Congratulations, you are all of two people who have referred to the Romulans as being part of the KDF or Federation factions, compared to the hundreds, if not thousands, including the devs of the game, who have referred to the Romulans as being their own faction.  This does not change the fact that the two of you are still wrong.

    You can call them whatever you want to call them. 

    But all romulan captains will have to decide whether to ally themselves with the feds or kdf. This will affect  both fleet mark based stf and pvp ques. 

    You WILL see kdf allied romulans fighting fed allied romulans. While I plan on playing a romulan when the story missions have all been played he will be fighting for the KDF and not his own 'faction'.

    To me this makes Romulans about the same as Pandarens as far as whether there really there own faction or not. You don't see klingons fighting klingons when the arena is fed vs klingon, and you don't see feds fighting feds when its a klingon vs fed capture and hold. However in both those scenarios you can and most likely will see romulans on both sides.

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823
    Look, at end game you have to chose Klingon Empire or UFP.  It isn't an end game , independent faction it's a story line that leads to one faction or the other. If you'd like to be delusional and argumentative about this fact fine, but you are forced to chose KDF or UFP , not Romulan Star Empire. It is a 2 faction game , period. It may have a separate story line , but it all ends in the same place, KDF or UFP.

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  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Everyone on the STO forums refers to the Romulans as being part of a third faction, the Romulan Republic.

    All the news sites that talk about the expansion refer to the Romulans as being part of the third faction, the Romulan Republic

    I am sorry but it is not true ,It is NOT FACTION ,cryptic/PW are master of illussion they  ,,sell,,it as faction ,

    My STO forum name is romulanway,& I am not talking about LoR as faction coz it can't to be it is only playable species on Kdf/Fed side,

    Cryptic make great work on LoR,love new UI ,lscars theme but I am not interested to play as romulan on Live server,I can't imagine my romulan as part Star Fleet or Klingon Defense Forces it is  CRAP !

    LoR should to be about ; liberating Donatra from borg collective,rebuilding Romulan Star Empire,confronting to  Sela & her minions & Madness of Tal Shiar.About  retaking romulan homeworld Vulcan from Federation...pushing Remans in underground where is their place...canfronting  D'Tan & his fcking Republic (Are he  come from mirror universe?)

    As old ST fan I cant play my romulan    when he spread message about peace & love across universe ,serving his FEDS/KDF masters.

     

  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    Originally posted by MadDemon64
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

    STO is hard core asian grind crap game but it is still very popular coz it is Star Trek mmo.

    Noticed ,some peoples mentioned 3th faction,STO is 2 faction game it is burn in stone now,Romulans are not faction it is only playable species on KDF/Fed side.

     

    1.  STO is made by an American company.  By definition of "asian grind game", that makes it impossible to be an asian grind game.

    2.  Every game has grind, even WoW.  Get over it.

    3.  There is indeed a third faction being introduced.  This has already been established a while ago.  Before this, Romulans have not been a playable species in STO.  People could create a facimile of Romulans in the character creation, but they will not be a playable species until the expansion.  Please pay attention to the dev blogs if you are going to try to post a statement that is easily proven false by searching them so you can avoid doing so and damaging your argument.

    1. partially correct while Cryptic is a US holding PWE owns it lock stock and barrel witch is  Beijing based.  They follow PWE's lead in the games they manage now to the letter.

    2. there is grind; there is enjoyable grind, there is "hell levels" grind; there is masked grind; there is cash grab incentivisation grind;  Not all mmos have the same type of grind

    3. having tested this x-pac in open beta they are not in fact a 3rd faction.  They are merely a new race(Rom/Remen) option for either Fed/KDF with the special ability to fly certain Romulon canon ships.  The Klingons at launch were more of a individual faction than this joke.  Nor do Rom get a Starbase they get either FED/KDF starbase depending on which they join.  No option to BE a Rommulan.

     

    Fun fact as well  a Fed-Rom and a KDF-Rom cannot be in the same fleet even though they are both "supposedly" Romulun

    not a bug WAI

    Endgame content remains much the same just with another currency for Tholian but no new Tholian missions and no Tholian space missions at all.  Missions that were bugged last season remain buged.

    Two new maps however a atmospheric shuttle one that is the only bright sopt of the x-pac imho;

    and a ground one that sadly still uses the "steller" Cryptic ground engine.

     

    note: 2 romulan chars sci and tac lvls 1 thru 50; 2341 and 1223 accolade points respectively, all story missions completed, all rom unique doff assignments I could find; 5 game stoppers reported plus myriad annoyance bugs.  so it was not a glance, I gave it plenty of opportunity to impress.

     

    so yea if one left STO already this so called expansion does very little to entice them to come back for more than obligatory whats new? meh.. bye, cycle that STO is so famous for. 

     

    EDIT: heck they can't even afford to run STO, CO, NW on separate clusters, if one goes down they all go down.

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