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Originally posted by Loktofeit
If you're looking for an opinion I thin a little of both. A fine example is the cat situation. Cats cost1 million AD. They are a way of bragging. Oh, look what I did. Now, most of the AH was gutted in this incident. Not just cats, Nightmare mounts, rare enchantments, rare gear, rare companions. All looted and muled. In my mind, There should never be a hmmmm I wonder if this was ill-gotten EVER in my mind. It ruins all credibility. Most of these items can be used/resold on the AH, meaning people who did this can effectively use the exploit YEARS from now.
I don't know that the economy is garbage, but my faith in the economy certainly was. I truly wished for a wipe but it just seems like Cryptic doesn't care to do so. If anything, the outcome of this decision can be used in future games. If it does tank, then games'll wipe in the future. If it doesn't then people won't panic as much. Either way... Win win.
BETA.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I see your point, and can see how that could be a concern for some. The rollback didn't resolve the majority of that?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Sorry to interject, but the rollback only covered the blatant exploiters. The fact is this bug was first noticed (and patched) in STO months ago, but the unpatched version of the AH was implemented in NWO (CO, STO, and NWO share a lot of code, since they run on different builds of the same engine), so people knew about how to exploit such a bug before NWO went to Open Beta.
All it took was for someone who was aware of the exploit in STO to check if NWO's AH shared the same flaw. There's no way to tell for sure exactly how long or how widespread this bug has been exploited. What happened over the weekend could possibly be just a very loud drop in the bucket compared to what has been hidden away across multiple free accounts for all we know.
who cares: it's an open beta, if ppl are mad because of some bugs in pre-launched game so what, if they pump money in a game not even officially released yet, their fault.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Yes exactly because of players like you, Neverwinter is still in open beta stage. You are blind sheep that cant see they use open beta status only as excuse
Let neverwinter stay in open beta for next 2 years !
funny
Will there be a character wipe between now and release or it is currently in its final state?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I have 71,000 AD on my lvl 60 and about 4000 on my lower levels. So if they were handing billions out to everyone i must have missed it.
And again I can say, people don't play the game and keep acting the biig biig economist without having any profession economist skills.
They read what others are saying about this current problem, and keep repeating this stuff just to unsure others or just to show off, who ever knows their thoughts.
But this repeating others stuff is not a single case, you find this about any problem or hype.
Still my opinion about this economy stuff, is that everyone forgets about it in a few weeks and to be honest, I played games over many many years now, and in so many cases i don't even bothered to use the economy side of a game. Just to buy some low level gear to be bit more effectiv in PVP. But else to be honest you can get your gear up with PVP or just grinding doungens.
So to all economy wannabe prophets stop this please.
It's not just a game economy issue, it's developer responsiveness and quality. This was a bug known to both the community and Cryptic, people claim they've been reporting it since closed beta, and Cryptic already knew how to patch it the last time it happened, but they didn't bother paying attention until it blew up in their face. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Given their track record in CO and STO, it's practically guaranteed they'll continue this behavior even after NWO comes out of "Beta" - especially when they already have another project lined up for development, which means less people to work on patches for NWO.
Problem is, there is mounting evidence to indicate that this problem has existed since Closed Beta. How do we define "majority" without a thorough indication as to that number. The problem, for SURE, was known 24 hours prior to AH shutdown. Therefore it was being abused minimum of double that time.
The question really is, how much AD could people really have exploited in that time? Hit -200000 for an item, get 200000 AD, the item, and screw the seller. Which is interesting because one of the bugs was disappearing AH items with no money (which is exactly how this shows itself).
While the 7 hrs probably resolved a BUNCH of the "me-too" crowd, it most likely didn't snatch up any of the people who were the most inventive about it. People with mules and guilds to assist.
How much so? I don't know. My crystal ball is tuned to CNN this morning and no Neverwinter.
And EASY, and likely one of the easiest, solution is to create a new server. People who don't want to re-level, can stay where they are. People who feel cheated can move. It seems like such an resolution for BOTH sides. This should be a textbook example of why gaming companies wipe from OB to Launch.
I wonder how much Zen/Money PWE lost in this fiasco though....
(... I didn't even get started with those exploiters who cheated up to 60, respawn bosses using that bug, or some of the broken gear out there, which should all be fixed but those people got away clean ...)
And just for reference... I've had a ticket in the support column for PWE for 7 days, still no response. So this is a normal thing as far as customer service goes. I can only imagine how many bug report tickets there are...
usually, the 5% of population has that kind of money anyways...
I still didn't see a game economy ruined... even in GW2 - economy got better as it always does, everywhere
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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This is its final 'Gold' state. No wipes.
For those that say this doesn't affect them, fine. But if ever one day you want to Buy something from the AH, or even Sell something there, yes it WILL affect you.
How? Simple inflation. The Bigs have massive AD levels and so are more willing to pay more to gear up their alts and mains, because they are paying more people will raise the sale prices. Take EQ1 the devs even reacted to the 'new' economy and raised the coin drops from mobs, things that used to cost Silvers and Gold, now cost Platinum.
The NW AH will likely recover if no new exploit is found, but it will take time, significant time. Until the AD the Bigs have gets spent and the normal players make a lot of big sales for AD, the odds of a normal player winning a bid on anything 'good' will be close to zero.
Currently the only word on this is the Open Beta announcement, where there's a footnote that says "Note: There will be no character wipes after April 25th." I suppose someone can interpret that as "no character wipes until official release", but that would be putting words in Cryptic's mouth.
So, barring any brick-shitting bugs (more serious than this AH exploit), it's likely all characters will transition into the "final" release.
The economy in this game was a joke to begin with. Allowing people to buy PvP gear with Glory and then resell it was a stupid idea. It was ridiculously easy to gear up a fresh 60. You can then skip all the T1's, run T2's and be out of content in under a week. The Guardian Fighter bug allowing them to clear CN in 30 minutes also contributed to a flood of high priced items in the AH. I have a friend that has millions of AD by doing it the legit way and selling gear but that is because of all the exploiters jacking up AH prices. Also there are so many exploits and glitches with the expert dungeon bosses, ways to bug them out and kill them over and over. This game needs some serious work. To me, the minute you open the cash shop and take people's money is when it is no longer beta.
Sure you don't need the economy to play the game and some are just fine without it but for others it is a big part of the game. People like playing the auction house and in this games current state that is near impossible.
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