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Would you P2P a solid Game (Poll)

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  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Member UncommonPosts: 1,273
    My financial situation dictates what I would pay to a limit. I don't mind 20$ a month for a great game but if I lose my job it is f2p games for me!
  • Slappy1Slappy1 Member Posts: 458

    I voted $10-$15 a month.

    The thing is,it would have to be better that EQ2/TSW/GW2/Lotro/Neverwinter/Rift and so on.I play 2-4 mmo/arpg during a month,so I'm not really looking for 1 single game.As such,the game would have to surpass the above mentioned for me to want to pay a sub for it.

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  • mrrshann618mrrshann618 Member UncommonPosts: 279

    Would I pay a monthly sub for a "solid" game, Yup. However I know it is never going to happen. So I'm voting with my wallet and let whales buy my way.

     

    There have been at least 2 incidences where I've purchased the box, installed the game and left within 2-3 weeks. To me that was an absolute waste of money even "at that price". Sadly these were games that I had researched (as much as was possible at that time) and was excited to play. However back in those early years "free trials" were non-existent and betas could not be "bought" into.

    I'd rather pay for the time I use rather than pay for the time that I do not use, even if the time paid for while paying is double. In the long run I'd still be paying less

    Lastly, and I'm sure most would agree, many "solid" games get changed after a bit to help attract more people. I liked Rift at launch more than I do now. All those extra quests to find your souls, the neutral wardstones in several areas to "help PvP" between factions, stuff like that. Now I logged in trying out a new character and the intro sequence is half of what it once was.

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  • Homura235Homura235 Member UncommonPosts: 184

    The general rule is this - you get what you pay for.

    I have been very vocal about how much I don't like Neverwinter and it's cash sink...but it is FTP, so I don't have to spend a dime (if I can suffer through the game with minimal bag and bank space, as well as crappy companions, etc). On the other side you have WoW - the ruler of all P2P. A good middle ground is GW2. You pay $60 for the game and can buy vanity items (dyes, pets, etc), but these things are by no means necessary to fully enjoy the game. They have the best business model right now IMO. And since Wildstar is under NCSoft as well, I am betting they will have the same model. My guess is that ESO will be P2P, but I could be wrong. I am basing this on the fact that Darkfall: Unholy Wars just came out and they are charging a sub and they don't have even close to the IP fanbase as ESO. 

  • KrimzinKrimzin Member UncommonPosts: 687

    I remember when I first Started EQ.. it was owned by 989 Studios, thus the monthly sub was $9.89. When they increased it to $13.99 or whatever it was, I didnt even blink because I enjoyed the game so much. They could have said it was 19.99 or 24.99 a month and I would have paid it gladly.

    Same holds true today. I would gladly pay for a solid game.

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  • TheJodaTheJoda Member UncommonPosts: 605

    Im sure the majority of us, us real MMO players that have been here since U.O and EQ would pay, and we see the value it brings.  Sadly now a days it seems everyone wants to RUSH to max lvl just to play.....how does that even make sense?  But I believe it is how game have been made lately also, they seem to want to rush to to max lvl just to do "endgame" content. 

     

    Games like EQ1 had raids starting a mid levels, and dungens and content to follow as you leveled up.  That is what we need again!

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    I wouldn't think twice about subscribing to a game I enjoy.I really hate F2P "revenue models", but I suspect game publishers have realised that F2P is the road to riches. Microtransactions represent limitless opportunities to monetize game play. Virtually everything and anything can be sold if you design the systems carefully enough.Disguising and hiding the costs becomes a fine art in these F2P games. Nobody will ever convince me that the game play won't suffer as a result.
    Same here. If I like a game and it keeps me logging in, I'd gladly pay to play it.

    F2P implements items that are bought. Then they have to design into the game reasons to buy those items.

    Sure, monthly subs also want players playing, and paying, longer, but if I am enjoying my time, who cares? Once the game gets tedious, I stop paying and playing, or roll up a new character to play.

    Getting a "reward" and then having to go to the cash shop to be able to use that reward is the biggest slap in my face a game can do. "You beat the big bad guy! Here is your reward! Now go to the cash shop to be able to use it." At the end of a 3 hour game session, I may end up with 7 "locked chests" and 2 "keys" to open them. WTF? I get some nice armor, but it is not useable for my free character. WTF?

    Even Pay to Play MMOs have cash shops these days. As if $15/month was not enough for them...

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432


    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Would I pay a sub to a game I had to buy for $60 and pay a sub or be locked out, ever again...I doubt it
    What a load... Simply pay for another month of play and you're golden. You are NEVER, EVER locked out from playing for eternity.

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  • KoroshiyaKoroshiya Member UncommonPosts: 265
    I chose f2p only because there wasn't a buy to play option like gw2.  Both gw2 and tera showed me that good games can be free and although I may not like either one of those for various reasons it wasn't because of the payshop or bugs, I just didn't enjoy either game.  GW2 because of introduction of ascended gear and Tera just because there isn't enough people.

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  • TheJodaTheJoda Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Originally posted by Koroshiya
    I chose f2p only because there wasn't a buy to play option like gw2.  Both gw2 and tera showed me that good games can be free and although I may not like either one of those for various reasons it wasn't because of the payshop or bugs, I just didn't enjoy either game.  GW2 because of introduction of ascended gear and Tera just because there isn't enough people.

    and why do u think there are not enough players????  Well its the payment model!

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  • KoroshiyaKoroshiya Member UncommonPosts: 265
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Koroshiya
    I chose f2p only because there wasn't a buy to play option like gw2.  Both gw2 and tera showed me that good games can be free and although I may not like either one of those for various reasons it wasn't because of the payshop or bugs, I just didn't enjoy either game.  GW2 because of introduction of ascended gear and Tera just because there isn't enough people.

    and why do u think there are not enough players????  Well its the payment model!

    not interested in your bs.  Gave my answer, don't like it?  Whine some more about how players are just f2p lovers.  Hate to tell you I was a raider in eq1, on one of the best raiding guilds across all servers (Prophecy, then Phantom Raiders) and as a long time 37 year old mmo player I am none of what your little sad attempt at boxing people into "groups"  tried to portray me as.

     

    As for Tera not having enough players, it sure has more now that it went f2p!

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  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Would I pay a sub to a game I had to buy for $60 and pay a sub or be locked out, ever again...I doubt it

    What a load... Simply pay for another month of play and you're golden. You are NEVER, EVER locked out from playing for eternity.

     

    If you don't continue to fork out cash you will be locked out.

     

    I will never play another game that charges $60 initially and a sub.  I will pay a sub or pay $60 like BTP, but gone are the days of throwing away $50 - $60 for nothing unless you continue to pay.  I voted $10 - $15 but the game would have to be EQ1 style in depth and treat you like an adult with the ability to make the wrong choice....consequences to your actions.  This would be a tall order for the latest brainless shallow games (other than TSW which is only half brainless).

  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319
    I'm always willing to pay for a game I find "solid". But that doesn't mean I'm willing to pay for it monthly.

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    To turn the thread title around:

     

    I would not PLAY a game that wasn't worth a subscription price/mo to me.  Even a few hours of my time is worth more than a measly $13/mo.  I can't believe some don't value their time equally and would spend weeks playing something of less value just because it is free.

     

    To clarify if it is B2P you are still paying, but I'm just saying even though I know the option is there to be a freeloader it "isn't worth it" to me.  So the options are freeload on a game I wouldn't pay for, or be suckered into spending real money on virtual items.

     

    Hmmmmmmm I'm sure I can find better things to do with my time.

  • BrialynBrialyn Member Posts: 184

    I can't help but feel like F2P games are the used car salesmen of the MMO world.  That being said I still play one of them right now (Tera) which to my mind isn't so bad as most of the things in the item shop are vanity and perks.  I am no longer a hard core raider though so I don't know if it cost money to raid in the game.  Pay for games always felt a little bit less used salesmen and a little more white collar.  You could argue it was still theft if you wanted but in my mind $15 bucks a month for HOURS of entertainment was well worth it since I can't even go to the movies once now for $15.  

    So yes I prefer pay to play, however, the market is saying they prefer free to play and while it is nice to try out a game before you decide to spend money on it...in the long term I find them tedious.  Now when WoW started their micro-transactions ALONG with the sub I almost vomited but still people forked out the cash.  It's a free market (thank heaven) so good for blizz.  

    The rub here is, what is a solid MMO.  Chances are the OP's idea of a solid MMO is not the same as mine and even if they are we may still be in a majority.  Right now the trending model is F2P or B2P but things could always shift back around if a developer can prove "hey look at us with our subscription model still making wads of cash!" 


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  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    Originally posted by Robokapp

     but gone are the days of throwing away $50 - $60 for nothing unless you continue to pay.

    comes with a free month. first month is always the best, hence worth the most.

     

    you're wrong.

    So a one month sub of $60 is a great idea to you?  Not my idea of value for the money with the recent "MMO's" that have come out.  

     

    It's been so long since an MMO has been released that is a deep virtual world (for lack of a better description) most people can't imagine throwing out cash like it's candy.  I think a lot of us would be less on the BTP/FTP bandwagon if we could even imagine a developer making a game that was excellent.

     

    I think OP means solid as in slightly above average.  I would be hard pressed to pay a sub for something that is slightly above average (thinking GW2 which is good but dull).

     

     

  • KrimzinKrimzin Member UncommonPosts: 687


    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Im sure the majority of us, us real MMO players that have been here since U.O and EQ would pay, and we see the value it brings.  Sadly now a days it seems everyone wants to RUSH to max lvl just to play.....how does that even make sense?  But I believe it is how game have been made lately also, they seem to want to rush to to max lvl just to do "endgame" content.  Games like EQ1 had raids starting a mid levels, and dungens and content to follow as you leveled up.  That is what we need again!

    Actually you are in correct. EQ did not have any raids before Level 50. Lady Vox and Nags were both level 50 raids. Then in all future expansions the Raids followed the Level Cap.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Would I pay a sub to a game I had to buy for $60 and pay a sub or be locked out, ever again...I doubt it

    What a load... Simply pay for another month of play and you're golden. You are NEVER, EVER locked out from playing for eternity.

     

    I don't even know how to respond to your post. I mean...I explained exactly why I don't like sub only games and you answer with...just do exactly what keeps you from going back and you're golden....  Where did you even pull the whole locked out for eternity thing from ?

  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Robokapp

    I don't dissagree about the future MMOs but....how much do you spend on entertainment that you wouldn't if you'd have a high-quality MMO ?

     

    because the developers are spending a couple million in the initial investment. you can't spend a half-day of work. Once. and then one hour of work. monthly.

    by future MMOs I mean the "it's just beta, give it time, it will be so awesome in a few patches".

    Can you give us some examples of games that spent lots of money that turned out " solid " I bet I can list more that aren't. It's pretty much been proven over and over again payment model has nothing at all to do with the quality of work in mmo design. It would be nice if buying a box and paying a sub meant you always got a good game but that just isn't true.

  • GroovyFlowerGroovyFlower Member Posts: 1,245
    I only pay 15 euro's a month sub( NO PROBLEM), but if P2P have cashshop not one cell in my brain would even concider playing.
  • GroovyFlowerGroovyFlower Member Posts: 1,245
    Originally posted by Grahor
    Please keep in mind that the population of the site is not representative of general gamers.

    I represent all gamers!

    Sandbox-fps-fulloot free for all pvp perma death no lvls or xp no instance and !-? above heads no guidance thats what i stand for:)

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by Grahor
    Please keep in mind that the population of the site is not representative of general gamers.

     

    No, you are right. The general pop is behind the curve.

    This site is regarded, and commercially targeted, as an opinion forming site for a very real reason.

  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Vesavius
    Originally posted by Grahor
    Please keep in mind that the population of the site is not representative of general gamers.

     

    No, you are right. The general pop is behind the curve.

    This site is regarded, and commercially targeted, as an opinion forming site for a very real reason.

    lol this site is regarded as a place mmo burn outs go to complain about everything. In no way do the people here represent the general gaming public.

     

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Vesavius
    Originally posted by Grahor
    Please keep in mind that the population of the site is not representative of general gamers.

     

    No, you are right. The general pop is behind the curve.

    This site is regarded, and commercially targeted, as an opinion forming site for a very real reason.

    lol this site is regarded as a place mmo burn outs go to complain about everything. In no way do the people here represent the general gaming public.

     

    Read again. I didn't say that this site represented the 'general gaming public'.

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432


    Originally posted by DamonVile

    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Would I pay a sub to a game I had to buy for $60 and pay a sub or be locked out, ever again...I doubt it
    What a load... Simply pay for another month of play and you're golden. You are NEVER, EVER locked out from playing for eternity.
    I don't even know how to respond to your post. I mean...I explained exactly why I don't like sub only games and you answer with...just do exactly what keeps you from going back and you're golden....  Where did you even pull the whole locked out for eternity thing from ?
    I misread the break in thoughts. My apologies.

    Re-reading it again, I see that the "ever again" (underlined above) refers to you buying a sub game, not the locked out part, as I had read it originally.

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


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