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More of the same?
Jexel
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So what's different about this mmo that makes it stand out from the rest?
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Until the NDA comes down little can be talked about. Expect a lot of Info on the game next Friday.
However what I can tell you that stands out from other games because this info has been release by SE is that you can have 1 character. That one character can do ALL combat classes and ALL crafting classes. You take 2 Classes to create a job. Also this game will focus around optimal leveling via groups. Not talking party mob grinding I am taking instances and other content. I will be doing a write up from Beta next weekend.
Unlike WoW:
The animations, aesthetic, graphics, group dynamics, storyline, serious-nature of the lore, cutscenes, class/job selection, and one master character all stand out as things I personally prefer in FFXIV.
Unlike Rift:
The world itself, the class selection, animations, FATE system versus Rift systems, mob/character design, group dynamics, character progression freedom, non-locked factions with much less limiting/harsh reprocutions, and not going F2P with a cash shop that sells tons of in-game equipment and items.
Unlike LoTRO
Much better job/class selection, better payment model, much better aesthetics/graphics/treatment of lore, better use of a PvP system in an MMO.
Unlike EQNext
I already fell for this exact same act before, it was called FFXIV 1.0. And I don't have near the same reverence for Smedley, willingness to forgive what he did to previous games, or faith that he has learned anything that I (foolishly) had in Tanaka. If you list the similarities between the two projects they are staggering.
Unlike ESO
I don't even like the last two single player Bethesda outings, I can't imagine them making a "polished" MMO.
Unlike Wildstar
The aesthetics, and combat are completely different and off putting to me personally. I do like some features, but can't get past these to find any kind of enjoyable experience.
Unlike Archeage/Aion/Tera/Blade and Soul/Bless/Black Desert (who btw totally rips off FFXIV in their trailer)
Square Enix develops a game for an international audience, whereas Archage is a port. I can't play a port of a game, I tried with Aion and others and found myself perpetually disgruntled that I could not play the real thing.
Unlike Darkfall/Mortal Online/Dozens of other "sandboxes"
Made by a developer I trust with my credit card information.
Now I haven't played every MMO, or followed them all so you might be able to stump me with some, but if you have any other MMO's you need me to demonstrate differences with FFXIV for please post them. Or ask for more information on the differences I have listed above.
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If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Why is it still such a big deal?
Which mechanics are those?
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very good post. Question what do you think of Yoshi P? I think he is a good developer and been very open and honest with the community as a whole. He also is a good communicator.
My opinion on developers is "what have you done for me lately?"
Yoshi transformed the dismal state of FFXIV 1.0 into the vastly improved 1.23, and then lobbied his company to launch an ambitious new project to "do it properly".
So I'm a fan of the guy, plus his work ethic/openness with the community is really commendable.
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I have the same opinion of Yoshi because he went out and took the risk of shutting a half baked game down and rebuilding the game from the ground up. Yea they kept stuff like classes and what not but thats ff. I am glad he has been open an honest with the community on things and he also is willing to stand his ground on things and not let people change the core of the game.
Well the combat mechanics of course. Click and wait, animation locks, cast bars, and overall boring standard MMO combat. But it even seemed slower than usual. Unless I just saw off the wall video or something and you know another that could show me something better?
If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Why is it still such a big deal?
There is no animation lock. There are casting bars for certain spells, it is an MMO with a magic system.
Oh but boring and slow, right cool. Show you something better than what? What is good? GW2?
I forgot that one:
Unlike GW2
It promises the depth of content of a real P2P MMO rather than one you complete in a month (or a week if you just use the cash shop) It has healer and tanking roles with abilities, jobs, and encounters designed to fully utilize them. Also a more serious tone of lore. Plus it doesn't have hack and slash combat and a "dodge button" which I personally find repetitive and boring.
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There are some nice articles that detail more about beta impressions than anything I could due to NDA.
This is a great example article.
http://absoluteretribution.enjin.com/ Guild Website and Recruitment link
Like 90% of the MMO's available. You use this to differentiate it from a very small amount of games but make it fall into a large category of other games. Bad example on how it's different (at least mechanically).
Edit: I don't mind they do this at all btw, I just don't think it is a good example on how the game is different from what is out there.
Agree with Murugan.
For me, the world setting, the driving force behind the developers, the Armoury System, the graphical aesthetic, etc. are all what make this game stand out for me.
To me, many developers just seem like developers, they are making a game because it is their job. But Yoshi-P, he's an avid MMO gamer. In fact, he was known around SE as such and that is one of the reason he was chosen to direct and produce the project. I heard he won some sort of PvP competition in Dark Age of Camelot, once? Regardless, I get this impression that he isn't just a developer, he's an MMO fan making his own vision of what he thinks would be his ideal MMO.
If youre like most reasonable people who understand games of the same genre will automatically have a ton of similarities particularly with game mechanics and progression ... then there are many differences which have been detailed above.
So deluded lol.
FFXIV is pretty run of the mill in every way, except graphics. The graphics are amazing and the gameplay leaves something to be desired. Sound familiar? FF13 anyone?
It has a Everquest 2 spamfest until you want to shoot yourself combat system. Solo centered, chainquest "deliver me 10 rat tails" to max level progression. Very little endgame, so you'll quit in a month or two.
The NDA has little meaning, as FFXIV just steals from a few games and slaps amazing graphics on it. Don't get me wrong, it won't flop like 1.0 but after the first month it's not going to excite most people in the least.
I like how you can bait me by calling me deluded, but I couldn't call you out for what you are doing. So I'll just ask you to clarify a few things because frankly maybe someone else might actually want information on an MMO rather than message board flaming.
First of all, how is:
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Fantasyfreak is a complete idiot. From his name alone he probably misses ffxi pre lvl99 cap and wishes fffxiv was part 2.
For the life of me i cant imagin where he has gotten his info from. He is completely ignorant of the game. And then the fool has the nerve to call someone else deluded.
Do yourself a favor and actually do some research before you try to talk down others who know 10 times what you do about a particular subject.
Lie: "Solo centered" Truth: you can reach max level solo, just like 75% of mmos, However the quickest way to max level is through group play. Also you will only be able to level 1 of 19 classes and jobs through solo quest chains.
Lie: "Collect 10 rats, quest chains" Truth: Unlike WoW every job will have its own indevidual story lines with cutscenes and gear quest for relic armor and weapons. This is anti GW2, because it makes each job feel special and different.
Lie:" EQ2 combat spamfest" This comment alone tells me he only leveled to 12 or so in beta or read of someone else who did. It would be similar to someone spending a week in the first grade and then telling everyone that college is no fun. Truth: The producers of FFXIV made the first stages simple on purpose so as to not intimidate first time mmo players. As you progress the combat becomes much more challengeing with combos and strategy. If you attempt to spam moves, you will quickly find yourself out of TP and screwed in the middle of a fight. Let us not forget... i spammed the same 4 moves in GW2 my first 10+ levels. No one worries about damage per second and gear builds their first 15 lvls in WoW... its a spam fest. This poster is such a noob.
Lie: "Very little endgame" Idiot, Idiot, Idiot. SWTOR had no endgame, GW2 very little if any. Vanilla WoW, moderate endgame. Truth: FFXIV will have the most endgame at launch of any mmo ever released. Building a house will be endgame, because you will need to save to max lvl, and combine those funds with 2 other players just to afford one. There will be 18 dungeons at lunch, with more than half of them being endgame. There will be 5+ summons and you will need to defeat at least one depending on your job in order to even begin endgame content. You will need to spend a good bit of money and time on crafters and/or crafting inorder to get your gear to endgame shape. This alone could take weeks. The director said that if one wanted to be the first to complete all endgame, he would need to quite his job and devote all time to it.
Lie: "A month or two and people will be bored with it" Truth: Producer/Director Yoshi P. said if he quite his job at Square Enix, he would spend his life in FFXIV. This comiing from a man who spent 6+ years playing DaoC and achieved the #1 rank in PvP there. Im betting he has a much better idea of all he content he is putting into FFXIV, then Fantasyfreak11. Idiot.
Exactly this.
Not to mention Grand Companies and Player Housing.
The game has barely been in three core system stress test phases and he's acting like it's been released for a week on that content.
Saying there is no endgame when the level cap for the beta is 35 is a straight up lie.
Edit: Bless you Arcticnoon
Hopefully with no dodge you won't have to stand still and tank everything. The ability to kite will be in at the very least I would imagine?
That has more to do with encounter design, you can see for yourself in beta 4. However 1.2x had many encounters that encouraged or required movement, the descriptions of the Titan fight (Titan destroying the floor), or I believe mmorpg.com did a feature on the low level "leveling dungeons" which even those encouraged movement by the tank.
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K so as you just pointed out the combat is like every MMO out there except GW2 right? Well that makes the game mechanics extremely standard as I said in my first post. But wait, no animation locks? Are you telling me that when I'm swingin a sword or casting a spell I will NOT be locked in place until the skill finishes?
And for the rest of your off topic post... k. That's like every other mmo too.
If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Why is it still such a big deal?
no you will not be locked in place. If you walked up to a mob and took a swipe at it and it came after you , you can run away with weapon in the ready . You wont hit or even make any action to the mob until you face it . And when you face it in the middle of a swing or spell you can run away or disengage . And yes to your question you will not be locked
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I read Odin is free roaming and not tied to FATE as he will keep walking around until killed. No timer attached. At least that is what I have heard.
You are just confused I think about the FATE system. It is not all timed pops, there are a variety of "FATE" systems that govern content like hamlet defense, beastmen strongholds etc. it is supposed to be flexible governing ALL open world content. The distinguishing feature is just that there is no claim like in XI, but within FATE there will be all kinds of different systems (as described by Yoshida in the 6th live letter).
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Indeed! I'll need to read that 6th letter as the description still leaves me scratching my head but thanks for letting me know. I assumed it was all time based