If you don't have an interet conection in the bedromm (not even Wi-Fi), you can use your phone to let the Xbox connect to the internet through it (share the 3G connection to a Wi-Fi signal) once every 24h. Not that much of a hassle. You don't need breadband, it just needs to ping the MS servers and get a response.
I can't believe you typed that and didn't stop to say, "Oh wait, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard."
Is it a solution to not having a connection in a particular space in a house? Yes.
Is it a ridiculous solution that should never be required to make a $500 gaming console provide basic functionality? Yes.
Look, I know that we, as a society, have given up. Facebook comes out, we know they sell out private info regardless of privacy settings and we do nothing but sign up for more social media.
Smartphones ask for location services to be on for you to use certain apps, and we quickly press "accept" because we can't imagine not using that app. We do nothing but keep throwing money at them.
We find out the NSA has been collecting pretty much all communications from everybody; and we continue to eat our cheetohs while being "outraged" on the internet.
So when a tiny thing like your gaming console being inconvenient to use comes up, people defend it. No surprise. We've given up and that's fine, I accept our apathy. But let's not pretend it isn't bonkers. We can accept defeat as consumers, but let's not lie to ourselves, we should knowingly accept defeat.
This is what you should be saying, "Yes, it's a stupid feature that only hampers our experience, but that's okay, it doesn't affect me personally so I'm willing let them slap me in the face as long as I get to play the next CoD."
I tend to boycott any game, MMO's are an exception, or hardware that requires me to be online to play. I hate that. If it is single player game, than don't require an internet connection. Sure, I have internet at home, but it is the principal.
I understand that so of you out there dislike the Microsoft drm and used game policy but after reading a lot of comments I just can't help but think that a lot of you just like the fact that the PS4 will be cheaper. At E3 I thought gamers cared about games. I really didn't see any games that Sony was offering that was so great. Microsoft had so many better games such as TitanFall. Project Spark, Ryse Son of Rome and Quantum Break sounded like it was goig to be one of th smost innovative games for consoles.. Games is what matters the most to gamers.
Personally not even going to put my hands on a Xbox One. And this is why:
1. Kinect. My stepson's xbox came with one... it collects dust in the corner. May be the worst game attachment since SNES's SuperScope. The inability to operate the machine without it is a BIG turn off for me.
2. Online requirement. Yes, I play online games, alot. But sometimes I just want to be left alone and play a single player game. My 360 has been plugged into the internet ONCE. In that 4 hour period, it "updated" my NBA 2K12 in the since that it crashes every time I select "load Myplayer" from the game menu. It also poped up a window saying I had to pay microsoft to use the already installed Internet explorer on the machine, as well as adding the Netflix program. It hasn't been conneced since.
If the unit isn't connected to the internet, it becomes less functional than a toaster in regards to playing games, and 500 bucks is a lot to pay for something that isn't functional.
3. Short comings in quality in the 360 generation. My very 1st time turning the xbox 360 on, because of lack of a disc holding device, if moved to much, the 360 will destroy the disc.... you can freaking play hacky-sack with a PS2 and the freaking disc would pop out without a scratch.
Red Rings.... True, Microsoft fixed this... not by improving the product, but removing the red ring indicator.
4. Used games. I buy a coke, it's mine. I but a watch, it's mine. I buy a xbox one game, from another non microsoft person, you have to pay microsoft for it to work.
In closing, in regards to the One device, I say Nope. Not going to happen. If you are going to rob me, at least use a gun and a mask. If this piece of crap takes hold in the market, then gaming will be forever changed, and it will be for the worse.
Originally posted by Normandy7 I understand that so of you out there dislike the Microsoft drm and used game policy but after reading a lot of comments I just can't help but think that a lot of you just like the fact that the PS4 will be cheaper. At E3 I thought gamers cared about games. I really didn't see any games that Sony was offering that was so great. Microsoft had so many better games such as TitanFall. Project Spark, Ryse Son of Rome and Quantum Break sounded like it was goig to be one of th smost innovative games for consoles.. Games is what matters the most to gamers.
FOUR games, they showed 4 games that where either rehashed FPS games, another sequel to an already bad game or Spark, the only one i would consider remotely interesting.
The FPS come out on PC and that's the platform i play them on (if i can stomach another COD rehash).
That leaves me with Spark. So where are those crazy good games again i need that XBOX for?
Ryse: Quicktime Action, press a button to win. That's not a game.
Titanfall: CoD....with a temporary mech that gets blown up fast and has a long cooldown. FPS on console, no thanks.
Forza 5: Racing game version 5 and still no night racing or weather. This is a crappy racing game
Halo 5: Not idea what it will be and in general not interested in another shooter which are all unplayable on console.
Quantum Break: Could be good, not enough info
That was it, nothing else of significance was shown.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
BTW- The first aftermarket company to make a blindfold/muffler for the connect will be rich! Paranoia runs strong here in America.
You have Prism/NSA, Google, Facebook, ... you name it. Even your democratic (=good?) president sends whistleblowers to Guantanamo. For paranoia it is too late...
I will not buy an Xbone due to the new restrictions.
It's a matter of principle. If you just roll over, and take it like I fear so many will. Then it will just reassure Microsoft to take away more consumer rights. One small concession leads to another, then another pretty soon it is total submission.
They use "Pirate" and "used game" revenue loss as reasons for such things as DRM and internet check in. But yet it is a 60+ billion dollar a year industry, or at least according to Reuters and Forbes.
While I agree that both issues do cause revenue loss IMHO it is hardly industry breaking. As it seems to have been getting along just fine since the 70's.
Plus what benefit will we see from such restrictions?
Will the cost of new releases go down?
Will the revenue gain cause less poor quality games to be produced?
Will the DLC cash grab end?
I don't know the answers, but I doubt they will change a status quo that benefits them.
Originally posted by Normandy7 I understand that so of you out there dislike the Microsoft drm and used game policy but after reading a lot of comments I just can't help but think that a lot of you just like the fact that the PS4 will be cheaper. At E3 I thought gamers cared about games. I really didn't see any games that Sony was offering that was so great. Microsoft had so many better games such as TitanFall. Project Spark, Ryse Son of Rome and Quantum Break sounded like it was goig to be one of th smost innovative games for consoles.. Games is what matters the most to gamers.
And games will be a large part of Microsoft's undoing in this case. Console games simply have a much harder time justifying the level of DRM that Microsoft is trying to impose to maintain basic functionality than most PC games, most of which would still have a hard time justifying that level of DRM. They are designed to be short and/or played occasionally. Also, the short lifespan is currently offset by the thriving aftermarket that allows console gamers to sample a lot of games comparatively easily. Microsoft is trying to taking this away; they may have very good reasons for doing so, but they aren't replacing the lost value to the consumer in any tangible way. In short, unless the developers change how they make their console games or drop the prices they charge for such games en masse, the XB1 will reduce the value players see in it because it kills the value that players can get from the associated games. 4 titles cannot carry the machine on their own, no matter how great they are; unless the average console gamer can get a decent value out of the average game, it won't sustain sales. The PS3 proved this, and now Microsoft has to learn basically the same lesson the hard way with their own miscues and misinterpretations of what the console market is really looking for.
4. Used games. I buy a coke, it's mine. I but a watch, it's mine. I buy a xbox one game, from another non microsoft person, you have to pay microsoft for it to work.
Just correcting you there , the money won't go to Microsoft but they are leaving it up to the individual games companies to decide if and how much to charge.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing. "SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13 The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
For the first time ever, I'm considering to get a console (never had a console other than the original game boy in my life).
Why? Because an increasing amount of my friends seem to have gotten one in the last few years and because it can double dip as a DVD player etc.
From what I've learned of the different consoles however, the Xbox One simply gets removed as a viable option entirely.
1) No backwards compatibility: that is an incredibly important point for me. On PC I often go back to older games to learn how the story started. I sometimes go on whole nostalgia trips to try out old games. The fact that the PS4 will allow for that already sort of seals the deal.
2) Used games fee. One of the major reasons why I would get a console in the first place, is because we often exchange games with friends. Someone invites people to his house and the others bring along silly dance or music games so that everyone can make themselves look ridiculous. How the heck would this work when you have to pay a fee every time? When my mate brings along "Singstar X" and I have to pay Y euros to start the evening, that will immediately dampen the fun.
3) Kinect and hardware cost. Why need I care about that goddamn thing in the first place? Why do they force me to pay extra because of it? I don't want it, I don't see the use for it, fuck off. Plus, according to reviewers the PS4 packs stronger hardware in the first place. More mature audience because of cost? Come on, a kid can't afford either one of those devices, whether they cost 399 or 499 euros, the parents will pay.
Finally, I don't give a shit about exclusives, I'm still going to be a PC gamer first and foremost. I haven't cared about exclusives since god knows when. The only game that looked remotely interesting in the microsoft conference will also be available on PC (Project Spark).
Just the opinion of a guy who isn't biased toward either console, because he hasn't ever owned one.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Originally posted by Normandy7 I understand that so of you out there dislike the Microsoft drm and used game policy but after reading a lot of comments I just can't help but think that a lot of you just like the fact that the PS4 will be cheaper. At E3 I thought gamers cared about games. I really didn't see any games that Sony was offering that was so great. Microsoft had so many better games such as TitanFall. Project Spark, Ryse Son of Rome and Quantum Break sounded like it was goig to be one of th smost innovative games for consoles.. Games is what matters the most to gamers.
FOUR games, they showed 4 games that where either rehashed FPS games, another sequel to an already bad game or Spark, the only one i would consider remotely interesting.
The FPS come out on PC and that's the platform i play them on (if i can stomach another COD rehash).
That leaves me with Spark. So where are those crazy good games again i need that XBOX for?
Ryse: Quicktime Action, press a button to win. That's not a game.
Titanfall: CoD....with a temporary mech that gets blown up fast and has a long cooldown. FPS on console, no thanks.
Forza 5: Racing game version 5 and still no night racing or weather. This is a crappy racing game
Halo 5: Not idea what it will be and in general not interested in another shooter which are all unplayable on console.
Quantum Break: Could be good, not enough info
That was it, nothing else of significance was shown.
That Windows 7 DevKit, the VM Operating system and the fact that the XBOX One has very low end hardware compared to a standard gaming PC makes me think that it should be possible to put this exact VM on any good gaming PC. If you can reverse-engineer the XBOX Game VM, which should be relatively easy since i think the whole thing runs on standard windows software.
I can't wait to see the first "XBOX One Emulator" pop up on torrents.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
That Windows 7 DevKit, the VM Operating system and the fact that the XBOX One has very low end hardware compared to a standard gaming PC makes me think that it should be possible to put this exact VM on any good gaming PC. If you can reverse-engineer the XBOX Game VM, which should be relatively easy since i think the whole thing runs on standard windows software.
I can't wait to see the first "XBOX One Emulator" pop up on torrents.
As many others have expressed, I am going to stick with the PC. It is so much more flexible and for the entertainment value, much cheaper. A perfect example is Skyrim. The console game is limited to DLC, while the PC version has that, and thousands of player made mods. Many of the mods are superior to the developers content imho.
edit: In keeping with the discussion topic, I would not get the Xbox because I'm afraid it has gone the way of Apple, and being controlled to much.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
ill keep my mmos and single player huge rpgs (like skyrim and the witcher) on PC. I'll have a ps4 for shooters to play with my console friends and cousin which are moving from xbox to ps, ps exclusives, and definitelly JRPGs.
Originally posted by rojo6934 ill keep my mmos and single player huge rpgs (like skyrim and the witcher) on PC. I'll have a ps4 for shooters to play with my console friends and cousin which are moving from xbox to ps, ps exclusives, and definitelly JRPGs.
Don't get me wrong, I have 2 xbox's and a PS3, but I don't see the advantage of getting the XBox One. I may look into the PS4, but I seldom use any of my consoles anymore except the PS3 for Blue ray. I was never any good at those damn shooters anyway!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by rojo6934 ill keep my mmos and single player huge rpgs (like skyrim and the witcher) on PC. I'll have a ps4 for shooters to play with my console friends and cousin which are moving from xbox to ps, ps exclusives, and definitelly JRPGs.
Don't get me wrong, I have 2 xbox's and a PS3, but I don't see the advantage of getting the XBox One. I may look into the PS4, but I seldom use any of my consoles anymore except the PS3 for Blue ray. I was never any good at those damn shooters anyway!
neither do i
ive been a console gamer since the nintendo (nes), but ive also been a pc gamer since i got my first pc like 12 years ago or so. This generation ill be stuck with a pc and a ps4 for sure.
First of all I just want to say that in no way am I being biased toward any console here. I have owned both consoles and both had their advantages and disadvantages. I totally understand and do not fault anyone who does not like Microsoft's new policies on the Xbox One. Three reasons why I'll be getting a Xbox One.
1. The games. The games were just so much better than what Sony had to offer. Everyone was complaining after Microsoft's first Xbox One's reveal about how there was no focus on games. Totally understand and a very viable gripe but at E3 they clearly had the game advantage and games are what matters most to players. They had Ryse which looked very very good and TitanFall which was amazing. Those Titan mechs were awesome to watch in action. You also had Quantum Break which clearly is going to be open of the most innovative titles this next-gen. Sony maybe more policy friendly towards gamers but games are what matter the most.
2. It is more than just games. Maybe because I'm in my 40's now I look at things a little bit different but having a console at home that gives you more than just games is very appealing to me and perhaps to the older gamer as well. We just don't like games, we also like sports and tv. To have that all in one box is quite nice.
3. A more mature audience. The other thing I will mention that perhaps with Microsoft's new design for the Xbox One you may even get a more mature audience on the Xbox now. You know not every immature 15 year old can afford the new Xbox One. People always complained about how the Xbox gets a bad rap with having a bad community. Perhaps now things will change now that Microsoft seems to be catering towards the more mature crowd these days.
1) No. Not at all. Ryse looks like utter crap, and only some uninformed git would think its better than the original version they were working on. As much as I hate any sort of motion controls, at least the Original Ryse was trying to bring something to it, now its a heavily uninspired button-mashing QTE fest, that doesn't even require you to hit the right buttons for said QTE. And newsflash, but Titanfall isn't exclusive at all to the Xbox One. And no, Quantum Break isn't all that innovative at all, and it DEFINITELY won't be the most innovative of next gen. Will Wright (of the Sims) had been talking about the same exact concept years ago. And based off how Defiance is going in terms of its connectivity, that is already 90% doomed to fail on that part.
Oh, and a second newsflash. It won't matter how many games XBone gets over Sony, if no one buys the console in the first place. If publishers and developers see market trends shifting hard away from the draconian nature of the XBone towards Sony or PC, that is where they will focus. Which means congratulations, you bought a $500 paper weight with a camera.
2) Smart TV. It's cheaper, and it does everything the XBone does, without requiring the additional $60 a month you need just to access that stuff. Plus you'll need to pay separately just to get the XBone to work with the TV, and that includes having to buy/own a box and such for it. Also, you don't need to be an "older" gamer to appreciate a bit of extra functionality. I only use netflix though, and considering how I don't have to pay extra on the PS3 or PS4 to watch that, no reason to head to the Microsoft console at all. But hey, feel free to go ahead and pay for a bloated charge rate anyways.
3) HA! HAHAHAHAHHA! HAAAA! Guess what buddy? As a "40 year old" gamer, you should already know this, but that doesn't mean squat. Those kids aren't paying for the console, their parents are, which completely nullifies that naive statement of yours. Besides, with that weak logic, you'd more easily argue that the PS3 would have the worse online community because its free compared to $60 a year, but guess who keeps getting those year-long time cards at christmas?
While there are clearly more people stating, in this thread, that they will be purchasing a Playstation 4 over XBox One, I still find it depressing. I would hope that even more people wouldn't purchase XBox One out of principle alone. Paranoia or not, it's still an invasion of privacy with how it's set up. It's not attempting to take away a certain right that people have come to expect, it's blatantly taking away MORE than one. Privacy in your home and the ability to truly own a product that you purchased and do with it as you see fit.
I find it hard to swallow that so many people are okay with this. Is having the next big thing really worth your right to privacy? Anything that can connect to the internet can be hacked. Gamers should know this better than most. What do you think will happen when the Kinect has been put into the hands of the masses? Say "Cheese!"
1) No. Not at all. Ryse looks like utter crap, and only some uninformed git would think its better than the original version they were working on. As much as I hate any sort of motion controls, at least the Original Ryse was trying to bring something to it, now its a heavily uninspired button-mashing QTE fest, that doesn't even require you to hit the right buttons for said QTE. And newsflash, but Titanfall isn't exclusive at all to the Xbox One. And no, Quantum Break isn't all that innovative at all, and it DEFINITELY won't be the most innovative of next gen. Will Wright (of the Sims) had been talking about the same exact concept years ago. And based off how Defiance is going in terms of its connectivity, that is already 90% doomed to fail on that part.
Oh, and a second newsflash. It won't matter how many games XBone gets over Sony, if no one buys the console in the first place. If publishers and developers see market trends shifting hard away from the draconian nature of the XBone towards Sony or PC, that is where they will focus. Which means congratulations, you bought a $500 paper weight with a camera.
2) Smart TV. It's cheaper, and it does everything the XBone does, without requiring the additional $60 a month you need just to access that stuff. Plus you'll need to pay separately just to get the XBone to work with the TV, and that includes having to buy/own a box and such for it. Also, you don't need to be an "older" gamer to appreciate a bit of extra functionality. I only use netflix though, and considering how I don't have to pay extra on the PS3 or PS4 to watch that, no reason to head to the Microsoft console at all. But hey, feel free to go ahead and pay for a bloated charge rate anyways.
3) HA! HAHAHAHAHHA! HAAAA! Guess what buddy? As a "40 year old" gamer, you should already know this, but that doesn't mean squat. Those kids aren't paying for the console, their parents are, which completely nullifies that naive statement of yours. Besides, with that weak logic, you'd more easily argue that the PS3 would have the worse online community because its free compared to $60 a year, but guess who keeps getting those year-long time cards at christmas?
You had some good points, and I was agreeing, but it all got thrown out when I read the first sentence in paragraph 3. Why ridicule the guy for his opinion like that. IMHO, it damaged the credibility of your entire statement. Read the last paragraph without the first sentence and it really helps.
edit: snip
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
why? Why are people not caring about thier rights being taken away from them?if the gorvernement said "ok from now on were going to stop people from trading games and they will always need to be online to be monitored" everyone would fight to stop it.
But if microsoft is doing it its ok because its for the greater good?So the games i buy does not belong to me anymore ?and i cant do what i want with them? am i just renting games for a long period of time now?
With platform like steam that gives me games with 75% discounts i do no mind not being able to sell or trade them.(and i can play offline as much as i want too).If thats what microsoft is aiming for then i would be more than happy to buy thier console.But i highly doubt thats the case.I do not feel like paying 60-70$ for a game that does not belong to me.
They want more money,more power,more control.. and ppl will say yes! because we are slave to games and they know it. so they control...
Altought it is not set in stone i will probably not be touching xbox one.But i will wait about a year to decide wich console to buy so i have a clearer view.
I am sorry if my english is very average and if my comments are all over the place.Its hard to express myself properly in english so i might sound wierd T_T
Hmm I have a Kinect attached to my 360 and yet to see myself dancing in my boxers on the internet WHAT THE HELL! Maybe it's because I haven't turned off my wi-fi since it's been brought in the house no that cant be it damnit maybe it's the Microsoft games that people say aren't Microsoft exclusive for my PC and they still profit from most with a DRM.
Asus Rampage IV Formula Intel i7-3820 3.6 GHz O.C 4.7 GHz Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler ASUS STRIX 1070 OC Corsair XMS3 16 GB 1600 MHz OCZ Vertex 460A 250 GB SSD WD 1 TB HDD Corsair TX 750M Cooler Master HAF X
More mature audience. What's likely to happen that only rich parents with spoiled kids can afford to play, filtering out all the average and normal decent gamers.
The average gamer is poor, with this in mind you can imagine how many gamers actually wait to get second hand games because they are cheaper. But MS decided that we should pay full price again for used games. Well thanks MS. You sure do know what gamers want.
As for TV...well we already have tv. I don't need an extra thing for tv. IT DOES NOT HELP ME WATCH TELEVISION IN ANY WAY. So I'm still enjoying sports and whatnot without an xbox.
A console can have one of the best games ever (Wii - Smash Bros melee/brawl) but that does not make it a better console. It just alienates anyone else who wants to enjoy that game. Personally I think exclusives are stupid but realize that there is a cost factor, also business factor, for developing for more than one console.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
Comments
I can't believe you typed that and didn't stop to say, "Oh wait, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard."
Is it a solution to not having a connection in a particular space in a house? Yes.
Is it a ridiculous solution that should never be required to make a $500 gaming console provide basic functionality? Yes.
Look, I know that we, as a society, have given up. Facebook comes out, we know they sell out private info regardless of privacy settings and we do nothing but sign up for more social media.
Smartphones ask for location services to be on for you to use certain apps, and we quickly press "accept" because we can't imagine not using that app. We do nothing but keep throwing money at them.
We find out the NSA has been collecting pretty much all communications from everybody; and we continue to eat our cheetohs while being "outraged" on the internet.
So when a tiny thing like your gaming console being inconvenient to use comes up, people defend it. No surprise. We've given up and that's fine, I accept our apathy. But let's not pretend it isn't bonkers. We can accept defeat as consumers, but let's not lie to ourselves, we should knowingly accept defeat.
This is what you should be saying, "Yes, it's a stupid feature that only hampers our experience, but that's okay, it doesn't affect me personally so I'm willing let them slap me in the face as long as I get to play the next CoD."
I tend to boycott any game, MMO's are an exception, or hardware that requires me to be online to play. I hate that. If it is single player game, than don't require an internet connection. Sure, I have internet at home, but it is the principal.
Personally not even going to put my hands on a Xbox One. And this is why:
1. Kinect. My stepson's xbox came with one... it collects dust in the corner. May be the worst game attachment since SNES's SuperScope. The inability to operate the machine without it is a BIG turn off for me.
2. Online requirement. Yes, I play online games, alot. But sometimes I just want to be left alone and play a single player game. My 360 has been plugged into the internet ONCE. In that 4 hour period, it "updated" my NBA 2K12 in the since that it crashes every time I select "load Myplayer" from the game menu. It also poped up a window saying I had to pay microsoft to use the already installed Internet explorer on the machine, as well as adding the Netflix program. It hasn't been conneced since.
If the unit isn't connected to the internet, it becomes less functional than a toaster in regards to playing games, and 500 bucks is a lot to pay for something that isn't functional.
3. Short comings in quality in the 360 generation. My very 1st time turning the xbox 360 on, because of lack of a disc holding device, if moved to much, the 360 will destroy the disc.... you can freaking play hacky-sack with a PS2 and the freaking disc would pop out without a scratch.
Red Rings.... True, Microsoft fixed this... not by improving the product, but removing the red ring indicator.
4. Used games. I buy a coke, it's mine. I but a watch, it's mine. I buy a xbox one game, from another non microsoft person, you have to pay microsoft for it to work.
In closing, in regards to the One device, I say Nope. Not going to happen. If you are going to rob me, at least use a gun and a mask. If this piece of crap takes hold in the market, then gaming will be forever changed, and it will be for the worse.
FOUR games, they showed 4 games that where either rehashed FPS games, another sequel to an already bad game or Spark, the only one i would consider remotely interesting.
The FPS come out on PC and that's the platform i play them on (if i can stomach another COD rehash).
That leaves me with Spark. So where are those crazy good games again i need that XBOX for?
Ryse: Quicktime Action, press a button to win. That's not a game.
Titanfall: CoD....with a temporary mech that gets blown up fast and has a long cooldown. FPS on console, no thanks.
Forza 5: Racing game version 5 and still no night racing or weather. This is a crappy racing game
Halo 5: Not idea what it will be and in general not interested in another shooter which are all unplayable on console.
Quantum Break: Could be good, not enough info
That was it, nothing else of significance was shown.
You have Prism/NSA, Google, Facebook, ... you name it. Even your democratic (=good?) president sends whistleblowers to Guantanamo. For paranoia it is too late...
I will not buy an Xbone due to the new restrictions.
It's a matter of principle. If you just roll over, and take it like I fear so many will. Then it will just reassure Microsoft to take away more consumer rights. One small concession leads to another, then another pretty soon it is total submission.
They use "Pirate" and "used game" revenue loss as reasons for such things as DRM and internet check in. But yet it is a 60+ billion dollar a year industry, or at least according to Reuters and Forbes.
While I agree that both issues do cause revenue loss IMHO it is hardly industry breaking. As it seems to have been getting along just fine since the 70's.
Plus what benefit will we see from such restrictions?
Will the cost of new releases go down?
Will the revenue gain cause less poor quality games to be produced?
Will the DLC cash grab end?
I don't know the answers, but I doubt they will change a status quo that benefits them.
Ea is like a poo fingered midas ~ShakyMo
And games will be a large part of Microsoft's undoing in this case. Console games simply have a much harder time justifying the level of DRM that Microsoft is trying to impose to maintain basic functionality than most PC games, most of which would still have a hard time justifying that level of DRM. They are designed to be short and/or played occasionally. Also, the short lifespan is currently offset by the thriving aftermarket that allows console gamers to sample a lot of games comparatively easily. Microsoft is trying to taking this away; they may have very good reasons for doing so, but they aren't replacing the lost value to the consumer in any tangible way. In short, unless the developers change how they make their console games or drop the prices they charge for such games en masse, the XB1 will reduce the value players see in it because it kills the value that players can get from the associated games. 4 titles cannot carry the machine on their own, no matter how great they are; unless the average console gamer can get a decent value out of the average game, it won't sustain sales. The PS3 proved this, and now Microsoft has to learn basically the same lesson the hard way with their own miscues and misinterpretations of what the console market is really looking for.
Just correcting you there , the money won't go to Microsoft but they are leaving it up to the individual games companies to decide if and how much to charge.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
For the first time ever, I'm considering to get a console (never had a console other than the original game boy in my life).
Why? Because an increasing amount of my friends seem to have gotten one in the last few years and because it can double dip as a DVD player etc.
From what I've learned of the different consoles however, the Xbox One simply gets removed as a viable option entirely.
1) No backwards compatibility: that is an incredibly important point for me. On PC I often go back to older games to learn how the story started. I sometimes go on whole nostalgia trips to try out old games. The fact that the PS4 will allow for that already sort of seals the deal.
2) Used games fee. One of the major reasons why I would get a console in the first place, is because we often exchange games with friends. Someone invites people to his house and the others bring along silly dance or music games so that everyone can make themselves look ridiculous. How the heck would this work when you have to pay a fee every time? When my mate brings along "Singstar X" and I have to pay Y euros to start the evening, that will immediately dampen the fun.
3) Kinect and hardware cost. Why need I care about that goddamn thing in the first place? Why do they force me to pay extra because of it? I don't want it, I don't see the use for it, fuck off. Plus, according to reviewers the PS4 packs stronger hardware in the first place. More mature audience because of cost? Come on, a kid can't afford either one of those devices, whether they cost 399 or 499 euros, the parents will pay.
Finally, I don't give a shit about exclusives, I'm still going to be a PC gamer first and foremost. I haven't cared about exclusives since god knows when. The only game that looked remotely interesting in the microsoft conference will also be available on PC (Project Spark).
Just the opinion of a guy who isn't biased toward either console, because he hasn't ever owned one.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Not to mention the "Xbox 1" versions of games were being run off PCs powered by Nvidia cards: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html
They couldn't even bother to use an AMD gpu at, least v.v
(I edited the last image so its easier to see: http://i.imgur.com/xoVvgYC.jpg?1)
That Windows 7 DevKit, the VM Operating system and the fact that the XBOX One has very low end hardware compared to a standard gaming PC makes me think that it should be possible to put this exact VM on any good gaming PC. If you can reverse-engineer the XBOX Game VM, which should be relatively easy since i think the whole thing runs on standard windows software.
I can't wait to see the first "XBOX One Emulator" pop up on torrents.
Hm. Never even considered something like that.
As many others have expressed, I am going to stick with the PC. It is so much more flexible and for the entertainment value, much cheaper. A perfect example is Skyrim. The console game is limited to DLC, while the PC version has that, and thousands of player made mods. Many of the mods are superior to the developers content imho.
edit: In keeping with the discussion topic, I would not get the Xbox because I'm afraid it has gone the way of Apple, and being controlled to much.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Don't get me wrong, I have 2 xbox's and a PS3, but I don't see the advantage of getting the XBox One. I may look into the PS4, but I seldom use any of my consoles anymore except the PS3 for Blue ray. I was never any good at those damn shooters anyway!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
neither do i
ive been a console gamer since the nintendo (nes), but ive also been a pc gamer since i got my first pc like 12 years ago or so. This generation ill be stuck with a pc and a ps4 for sure.
1) No. Not at all. Ryse looks like utter crap, and only some uninformed git would think its better than the original version they were working on. As much as I hate any sort of motion controls, at least the Original Ryse was trying to bring something to it, now its a heavily uninspired button-mashing QTE fest, that doesn't even require you to hit the right buttons for said QTE. And newsflash, but Titanfall isn't exclusive at all to the Xbox One. And no, Quantum Break isn't all that innovative at all, and it DEFINITELY won't be the most innovative of next gen. Will Wright (of the Sims) had been talking about the same exact concept years ago. And based off how Defiance is going in terms of its connectivity, that is already 90% doomed to fail on that part.
Oh, and a second newsflash. It won't matter how many games XBone gets over Sony, if no one buys the console in the first place. If publishers and developers see market trends shifting hard away from the draconian nature of the XBone towards Sony or PC, that is where they will focus. Which means congratulations, you bought a $500 paper weight with a camera.
2) Smart TV. It's cheaper, and it does everything the XBone does, without requiring the additional $60 a month you need just to access that stuff. Plus you'll need to pay separately just to get the XBone to work with the TV, and that includes having to buy/own a box and such for it. Also, you don't need to be an "older" gamer to appreciate a bit of extra functionality. I only use netflix though, and considering how I don't have to pay extra on the PS3 or PS4 to watch that, no reason to head to the Microsoft console at all. But hey, feel free to go ahead and pay for a bloated charge rate anyways.
3) HA! HAHAHAHAHHA! HAAAA! Guess what buddy? As a "40 year old" gamer, you should already know this, but that doesn't mean squat. Those kids aren't paying for the console, their parents are, which completely nullifies that naive statement of yours. Besides, with that weak logic, you'd more easily argue that the PS3 would have the worse online community because its free compared to $60 a year, but guess who keeps getting those year-long time cards at christmas?
While there are clearly more people stating, in this thread, that they will be purchasing a Playstation 4 over XBox One, I still find it depressing. I would hope that even more people wouldn't purchase XBox One out of principle alone. Paranoia or not, it's still an invasion of privacy with how it's set up. It's not attempting to take away a certain right that people have come to expect, it's blatantly taking away MORE than one. Privacy in your home and the ability to truly own a product that you purchased and do with it as you see fit.
I find it hard to swallow that so many people are okay with this. Is having the next big thing really worth your right to privacy? Anything that can connect to the internet can be hacked. Gamers should know this better than most. What do you think will happen when the Kinect has been put into the hands of the masses? Say "Cheese!"
You had some good points, and I was agreeing, but it all got thrown out when I read the first sentence in paragraph 3. Why ridicule the guy for his opinion like that. IMHO, it damaged the credibility of your entire statement. Read the last paragraph without the first sentence and it really helps.
edit: snip
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
why? Why are people not caring about thier rights being taken away from them?if the gorvernement said "ok from now on were going to stop people from trading games and they will always need to be online to be monitored" everyone would fight to stop it.
But if microsoft is doing it its ok because its for the greater good?So the games i buy does not belong to me anymore ?and i cant do what i want with them? am i just renting games for a long period of time now?
With platform like steam that gives me games with 75% discounts i do no mind not being able to sell or trade them.(and i can play offline as much as i want too).If thats what microsoft is aiming for then i would be more than happy to buy thier console.But i highly doubt thats the case.I do not feel like paying 60-70$ for a game that does not belong to me.
They want more money,more power,more control.. and ppl will say yes! because we are slave to games and they know it. so they control...
Altought it is not set in stone i will probably not be touching xbox one.But i will wait about a year to decide wich console to buy so i have a clearer view.
I am sorry if my english is very average and if my comments are all over the place.Its hard to express myself properly in english so i might sound wierd T_T
100% this ^
Played-Everything
Playing-LoL
Asus Rampage IV Formula
Intel i7-3820 3.6 GHz O.C 4.7 GHz
Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
ASUS STRIX 1070 OC
Corsair XMS3 16 GB 1600 MHz
OCZ Vertex 460A 250 GB SSD
WD 1 TB HDD
Corsair TX 750M
Cooler Master HAF X
You WISH.
More mature audience. What's likely to happen that only rich parents with spoiled kids can afford to play, filtering out all the average and normal decent gamers.
The average gamer is poor, with this in mind you can imagine how many gamers actually wait to get second hand games because they are cheaper. But MS decided that we should pay full price again for used games. Well thanks MS. You sure do know what gamers want.
As for TV...well we already have tv. I don't need an extra thing for tv. IT DOES NOT HELP ME WATCH TELEVISION IN ANY WAY. So I'm still enjoying sports and whatnot without an xbox.
A console can have one of the best games ever (Wii - Smash Bros melee/brawl) but that does not make it a better console. It just alienates anyone else who wants to enjoy that game. Personally I think exclusives are stupid but realize that there is a cost factor, also business factor, for developing for more than one console.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
to OP
it's just not gonna happen