All I am saying is, MS implements more and more user control, with "policy can always change" just as MS wishes. So if a console HAS certain control features, they CAN be limitelss expanded. So I think it is a much better move to show support for a console with does NOT implement such control features, just to really deliver a message.
Otherwise don't complain when in 10 years we all cringe under unimaginable controls. None of us wants that! So even if you think the controls of MS are minor, fight them now while they still may get the message. Customer behavior CAN change even big companies, see "Windows 8 start buttong", see EA customer pass asf.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
There really aren't that many negatives that affect me. I'm not really sure why people are freaking out over this stuff.
Yeah that's the problem with getting too attached to something that's not really in your control.
Few things worse than a consumer that believes he has no power...corporations feed on people with that mindset.
Anyway...found yet ANOTHER reason to not give Microsoft a single penny until they stop their power grab. It turns out that some of their policies actually IS going to try to change gaming...by HURTING independent game making. No thank you, I will show that I have control and power by not giving in to Microsoft and fueling their greed. I will take a stand for what I believe in, I will not cave in for a few games so they can continue to try to make gaming what THEY want it to be...a thing THEY control.
"In addition to all the other controversies surrounding the Xbox One, we’re now hearing grumblings from independent developers who are unhappy that Microsoft is telling them that they need to have a publisher to sell their games on the Xbox One marketplace. Eurogamer last week talked with Lorne Lanning, the head of independent game developerOddworld Inhabitants, who said that Microsoft’s new restrictions on independent studios mean that his company won’t release any new games for the Xbox One or the Xbox 360.
“Why do we need a publisher when we self-finance our games, we build our own IP, we manage our own IP and we’ve turned nearly two million units online as indie publishers sold — not free downloads?” Lanning asked rhetorically, while noting that Sony has chosen to take a very different path with its new PlayStation 4. “I believe, because there are so many seasoned, long-term game builders involved with the new PlayStation, they recognise the real innovations are going to come out of this space where people have the freedom and the insanity to try crazy new stuff.”
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Speaking of shenanigans and indie games, the three indie games shown at E3 are being published by Microsoft. Let that sink in for a bit. Games published by Microsoft, on their own platform are Indie Games.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Speaking of shenanigans and indie games, the three indie games shown at E3 are being published by Microsoft. Let that sink in for a bit. Games published by Microsoft, on their own platform are Indie Games.
yeah but a game cannot be indie if its published by a major company. indie companies avoid it for very good reason, the publisher starts to invade production. just look at the reasons given for CU being indie by so many peoples favorite game designer who wont even let another company publish for him.
the production company can start to dictate release dates as well as the games design. throw in MS decision to force each region to have its own restrictions and compatibility, they will be invading the code packages needed for functionality.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Originally posted by jtcgs Originally posted by lizardbonesSpeaking of shenanigans and indie games, the three indie games shown at E3 are being published by Microsoft. Let that sink in for a bit. Games published by Microsoft, on their own platform are Indie Games.
yeah but a game cannot be indie if its published by a major company. indie companies avoid it for very good reason, the publisher starts to invade production. just look at the reasons given for CU being indie by so many peoples favorite game designer who wont even let another company publish for him.
the production company can start to dictate release dates as well as the games design. throw in MS decision to force each region to have its own restrictions and compatibility, they will be invading the code packages needed for functionality.
I think I agree with what you said. A game published by a many times over billion dollar company isn't really an Indie game. For that matter, I would be suspicious of any game with a publisher being delivered as an "Indie" game with a publisher. However, there's not really a definition, so publishers and developers can just slap the label on anything they want and call it, "Indie".
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I think I agree with what you said. A game published by a many times over billion dollar company isn't really an Indie game. For that matter, I would be suspicious of any game with a publisher being delivered as an "Indie" game with a publisher. However, there's not really a definition, so publishers and developers can just slap the label on anything they want and call it, "Indie".
"Independent video game development is the process of creating video games without the financial support of a video game publisher. While large firms can create independent games, they are usually designed by an individual or a small team of as many as ten people, depending on the complexity of the project. These games may take years to be built from the ground up or can be completed in a matter of days or even hours depending on complexity, participants, and design goal.
Driven by digital distribution, the concept of independent video game development has spawned an "indie" movement."
So, factor in that MS is attempting to push the X1 as "digital distribution" yet want to fully control the aspect of gaming that is what it is BECAUSE of digital distribution...is just more proof that MS is only doing this to try to take full control of gaming and not because its "the future". They are going to try to use this as a way of gaining control of smaller companies.
I am only touching on this subject because I refuse to support MS in any way now because of how it can end up crushing the indie movement which is one of the few venues that is bringing actual innovation to video games lately. This is now beyond a "just don't buy it" type thing, this is now a get as many people not to buy it type thing in order to make sure they don't crush an industry beyond the X1. its impact can now travel beyond the system itself.
if the PS4 succeeds, it will only impact the PS4. Same can no longer be said about the X1. It must fail to protect the entire industry.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
I have the articles only in German, but you should be able to find similar reports in English.
The first one says, that MS again confirmed that not only the games, but the consoles themselves are country bound. Meaning: if you travel, forget taking along your XBox, but more important: if you move to another country, you can buy a new console! That may not be important in America, but in Europe where people can freely move within all countries of the EU, that is a BIG issue.
MS used PCs with Windows 7 and much higher evolved NVidia graphic cards to show the XBox games. Which is a real "joke" for too many reasons:
- apparently the games were shown in a much higher quality, the newspaper claims the games in the show sometimes crashes, showing the Windows 7 PC desktop. The actual card would be a mid class Radeon 7790, while on the PC was a NVidia of the 700 series, a much faster card. (Not to speak of the irony, that Nvidia is the competitor of AMD, who builds parts for the Xbox.)
- also apparently Windows 8 is not the system even Microsoft folks prefer, since all PCs were running with Windows 7 (ha ha!)
This has already been outed as a mistake post by support.
It's not a mistake. Your games are tied to your Xbone Live account and if you get banned, your games are no more. It's not hard to figure that out even without the tweet..
Well yes Microsoft didn't become billionaires by telling us the truth.
Windows 8 probably uses more resources even when the layer system is off.
The Xbox one is using Radeon and AMD imo it is like night and day,they went for a CHEAP bargain.Intel and Nvidia are much better products for the money.I have tried AMD[using one right now] and Radeon twice and both times pulled Radeon cards out and put back my Nvidia.Intel chips are just much faster my I3 laptop destroys my PC and that is with an integrated gpu albeit a decent Nvidia one.
The truth is,i cannot stand consoles,i still regret buying the PS3 that has about 12 hours of FF games on it.I doubt i will never buy another console again,i usually just end up extra cash and bored one day and make a stupid choice to buy one.
However IF i was to buy one,no question hands down i would pick PS4 over Xbox1.
To me consoles are really cheap gimmicks to sell you very old hardware.They also become outdated faster than my PC now,i bought the PS3 after this PC lol.
Yea I built my $952 rigg 3years ago, and it STILL smokes the unholy bejesus out of the current PS4's stats which are BETTER than the Xbox-One's stats by a lot.
I still don't see why people are so gullible.
When are you guys gonna learn? The whole epeen "my benchmarks are better then yours" days are dying. PC sales are in the shitter for a reason and "power" isn't one of them. Ease of use and mobility are taking over. Consoles sit in living rooms with 55 and 60" tvs, while PCs are in our man caves on 27"-30" monitors in huge towers. People are playing more games on tablets then ever and there is a shift in marketing. The sales for these new consoles will be sick. The hardware in them is not as important as he hardware in your PC due to ZERO SCALING with hardware. It's designed for one set, not one million combos.
PC gamers are a dying breed. I have rough the good fight myself spending THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on my pcs. However, with the rise of Mmo's on these new systems, ill be moving to the ps4.
This has already been outed as a mistake post by support.
It's not a mistake. Your games are tied to your Xbone Live account and if you get banned, your games are no more. It's not hard to figure that out even without the tweet..
Well yes Microsoft didn't become billionaires by telling us the truth.
Windows 8 probably uses more resources even when the layer system is off.
The Xbox one is using Radeon and AMD imo it is like night and day,they went for a CHEAP bargain.Intel and Nvidia are much better products for the money.I have tried AMD[using one right now] and Radeon twice and both times pulled Radeon cards out and put back my Nvidia.Intel chips are just much faster my I3 laptop destroys my PC and that is with an integrated gpu albeit a decent Nvidia one.
The truth is,i cannot stand consoles,i still regret buying the PS3 that has about 12 hours of FF games on it.I doubt i will never buy another console again,i usually just end up extra cash and bored one day and make a stupid choice to buy one.
However IF i was to buy one,no question hands down i would pick PS4 over Xbox1.
To me consoles are really cheap gimmicks to sell you very old hardware.They also become outdated faster than my PC now,i bought the PS3 after this PC lol.
Yea I built my $952 rigg 3years ago, and it STILL smokes the unholy bejesus out of the current PS4's stats which are BETTER than the Xbox-One's stats by a lot.
I still don't see why people are so gullible.
When are you guys gonna learn? The whole epeen "my benchmarks are better then yours" days are dying. PC sales are in the shitter for a reason and "power" isn't one of them. Ease of use and mobility are taking over. Consoles sit in living rooms with 55 and 60" tvs, while PCs are in our man caves on 27"-30" monitors in huge towers. People are playing more games on tablets then ever and there is a shift in marketing. The sales for these new consoles will be sick. The hardware in them is not as important as he hardware in your PC due to ZERO SCALING with hardware. It's designed for one set, not one million combos.
PC gamers are a dying breed. I have rough the good fight myself spending THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on my pcs. However, with the rise of Mmo's on these new systems, ill be moving to the ps4.
Thats your good right going for PS4 i stick with my PC dying breed or not.
Originally posted by Praetalus When are you guys gonna learn? The whole epeen "my benchmarks are better then yours" days are dying. PC sales are in the shitter for a reason and "power" isn't one of them. Ease of use and mobility are taking over. Consoles sit in living rooms with 55 and 60" tvs, while PCs are in our man caves on 27"-30" monitors in huge towers. People are playing more games on tablets then ever and there is a shift in marketing. The sales for these new consoles will be sick. The hardware in them is not as important as he hardware in your PC due to ZERO SCALING with hardware. It's designed for one set, not one million combos. PC gamers are a dying breed. I have rough the good fight myself spending THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on my pcs. However, with the rise of Mmo's on these new systems, ill be moving to the ps4.
PC growth has slowed, not stopped. The PC gaming market has grown. It's all the rest of the PC market that's lost out to tablets and phones.
Bioshock Infinite was developed on the PC first, then ported to the consoles. That's a trend that's going to continue, especially since the consoles are PCs with integrated peripherals.
XBone's presentation was run on a PC, not the XBone. Those next gen graphics were running on a PC, not a console. That means right now PCs are capable of matching or exceeding the console graphics.
PC gaming isn't going anywhere. It's going to be the driving force behind the PC market. Eventually it may be the PC market.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Well yes Microsoft didn't become billionaires by telling us the truth.
Windows 8 probably uses more resources even when the layer system is off.
The Xbox one is using Radeon and AMD imo it is like night and day,they went for a CHEAP bargain.Intel and Nvidia are much better products for the money.I have tried AMD[using one right now] and Radeon twice and both times pulled Radeon cards out and put back my Nvidia.Intel chips are just much faster my I3 laptop destroys my PC and that is with an integrated gpu albeit a decent Nvidia one.
The truth is,i cannot stand consoles,i still regret buying the PS3 that has about 12 hours of FF games on it.I doubt i will never buy another console again,i usually just end up extra cash and bored one day and make a stupid choice to buy one.
However IF i was to buy one,no question hands down i would pick PS4 over Xbox1.
To me consoles are really cheap gimmicks to sell you very old hardware.They also become outdated faster than my PC now,i bought the PS3 after this PC lol.
Yea I built my $952 rigg 3years ago, and it STILL smokes the unholy bejesus out of the current PS4's stats which are BETTER than the Xbox-One's stats by a lot.
I still don't see why people are so gullible.
When are you guys gonna learn? The whole epeen "my benchmarks are better then yours" days are dying. PC sales are in the shitter for a reason and "power" isn't one of them. Ease of use and mobility are taking over. Consoles sit in living rooms with 55 and 60" tvs, while PCs are in our man caves on 27"-30" monitors in huge towers. People are playing more games on tablets then ever and there is a shift in marketing. The sales for these new consoles will be sick. The hardware in them is not as important as he hardware in your PC due to ZERO SCALING with hardware. It's designed for one set, not one million combos.
PC gamers are a dying breed. I have rough the good fight myself spending THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on my pcs. However, with the rise of Mmo's on these new systems, ill be moving to the ps4.
Translation: I used to wave my epeen around with the best of you lot! but I got a family/someone now so a dual titan liquid nitrogen cooled OCed system is no longer possible.
When PC gaming dies gaming dies, there is no if buts about it, every good or great game is made on the PC and most of those play on the PC to boot, it is only publisher greed that sets up games for exclusive platforms and then waved off because "of the difficulty of porting". We should all remember what happened to the steaming pile of dog shit that was the Force Unleashed 1 (it launched for almost every platform imaginable except the PC, they even stated that it will never be on the PC, what happened when their sales weren't up to snuff? Star Wars The Force Unleashed: Sith Edition, now on PC too!).
Gaming in itself will branch out with certain types of games gravitating more towards certain platforms (turn based games will feel right at home with tablets, especially the ones that can't afford high quality graphics, the smartphones will always be a hiding spot for the rare Zelda 1-type RPGs, consoles will have their own games but these game will likely be shared between them and PCs because lets face it a console at this point is just a cheapo pre-built PC you can't tweak).
Also to the ones horrified by the prices of "good pre-built gaming PCs": You can throw together a good PC that will last a long, long time with maybe a graphics card change near the end of its life and which wouldn't cost you more than 700-800 dollars with a decent Monitor, 2.0 boxes and a mouse and keyboard. This machine if cared for and treated right will run games at medium settings (console settings btw) for its whole life cycle and the price is so high due to the need of peripherals, if you have a good tv at home you can spare you could hook up the PC to it, get some USB extension cables and just game in bed like a lazy sod all day.
CONSUMERS DO HAVE POWER. Get yours back and stop bending over for every new thing they demand you accept.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
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All I am saying is, MS implements more and more user control, with "policy can always change" just as MS wishes. So if a console HAS certain control features, they CAN be limitelss expanded. So I think it is a much better move to show support for a console with does NOT implement such control features, just to really deliver a message.
Otherwise don't complain when in 10 years we all cringe under unimaginable controls. None of us wants that! So even if you think the controls of MS are minor, fight them now while they still may get the message. Customer behavior CAN change even big companies, see "Windows 8 start buttong", see EA customer pass asf.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Few things worse than a consumer that believes he has no power...corporations feed on people with that mindset.
Anyway...found yet ANOTHER reason to not give Microsoft a single penny until they stop their power grab. It turns out that some of their policies actually IS going to try to change gaming...by HURTING independent game making. No thank you, I will show that I have control and power by not giving in to Microsoft and fueling their greed. I will take a stand for what I believe in, I will not cave in for a few games so they can continue to try to make gaming what THEY want it to be...a thing THEY control.
http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-xbox-one-indie-games-policy-baffles-developer-233036169.html
"In addition to all the other controversies surrounding the Xbox One, we’re now hearing grumblings from independent developers who are unhappy that Microsoft is telling them that they need to have a publisher to sell their games on the Xbox One marketplace. Eurogamer last week talked with Lorne Lanning, the head of independent game developer Oddworld Inhabitants, who said that Microsoft’s new restrictions on independent studios mean that his company won’t release any new games for the Xbox One or the Xbox 360.
“Why do we need a publisher when we self-finance our games, we build our own IP, we manage our own IP and we’ve turned nearly two million units online as indie publishers sold — not free downloads?” Lanning asked rhetorically, while noting that Sony has chosen to take a very different path with its new PlayStation 4. “I believe, because there are so many seasoned, long-term game builders involved with the new PlayStation, they recognise the real innovations are going to come out of this space where people have the freedom and the insanity to try crazy new stuff.”
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Speaking of shenanigans and indie games, the three indie games shown at E3 are being published by Microsoft. Let that sink in for a bit. Games published by Microsoft, on their own platform are Indie Games.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
yeah but a game cannot be indie if its published by a major company. indie companies avoid it for very good reason, the publisher starts to invade production. just look at the reasons given for CU being indie by so many peoples favorite game designer who wont even let another company publish for him.
the production company can start to dictate release dates as well as the games design. throw in MS decision to force each region to have its own restrictions and compatibility, they will be invading the code packages needed for functionality.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
the production company can start to dictate release dates as well as the games design. throw in MS decision to force each region to have its own restrictions and compatibility, they will be invading the code packages needed for functionality.
I think I agree with what you said. A game published by a many times over billion dollar company isn't really an Indie game. For that matter, I would be suspicious of any game with a publisher being delivered as an "Indie" game with a publisher. However, there's not really a definition, so publishers and developers can just slap the label on anything they want and call it, "Indie".
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
ahh but there is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_video_game_company
"Independent video game development is the process of creating video games without the financial support of a video game publisher. While large firms can create independent games, they are usually designed by an individual or a small team of as many as ten people, depending on the complexity of the project. These games may take years to be built from the ground up or can be completed in a matter of days or even hours depending on complexity, participants, and design goal.
Driven by digital distribution, the concept of independent video game development has spawned an "indie" movement."
So, factor in that MS is attempting to push the X1 as "digital distribution" yet want to fully control the aspect of gaming that is what it is BECAUSE of digital distribution...is just more proof that MS is only doing this to try to take full control of gaming and not because its "the future". They are going to try to use this as a way of gaining control of smaller companies.
I am only touching on this subject because I refuse to support MS in any way now because of how it can end up crushing the indie movement which is one of the few venues that is bringing actual innovation to video games lately. This is now beyond a "just don't buy it" type thing, this is now a get as many people not to buy it type thing in order to make sure they don't crush an industry beyond the X1. its impact can now travel beyond the system itself.
if the PS4 succeeds, it will only impact the PS4. Same can no longer be said about the X1. It must fail to protect the entire industry.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
MS became the Amateurs of the gaming industrie.
Started with the failor of vista then release rather good windows 7 but lost it comepletely with windows 8 and xbox one.
We should abandonship and join linux + Steambox!!!
Your only controlled if you let them.
Get all social networks have google account use smartphones buy xbox one:D
Your done your whole life on the web and soon your at the whimp of THEM they will watch you BIG BROTHER orwell predicted, in 1948.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/16/banned-xbox-one-accounts-will-retain-access-to-purchased-games/ Same thing as you have with Xbox 360 games you bought digitally. So shut up you troll!
When are you guys gonna learn? The whole epeen "my benchmarks are better then yours" days are dying. PC sales are in the shitter for a reason and "power" isn't one of them. Ease of use and mobility are taking over. Consoles sit in living rooms with 55 and 60" tvs, while PCs are in our man caves on 27"-30" monitors in huge towers. People are playing more games on tablets then ever and there is a shift in marketing. The sales for these new consoles will be sick. The hardware in them is not as important as he hardware in your PC due to ZERO SCALING with hardware. It's designed for one set, not one million combos.
PC gamers are a dying breed. I have rough the good fight myself spending THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on my pcs. However, with the rise of Mmo's on these new systems, ill be moving to the ps4.
Calm the fuck down..
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
Thats your good right going for PS4 i stick with my PC dying breed or not.
You guys are so easly seduce and controlled lol
PC growth has slowed, not stopped. The PC gaming market has grown. It's all the rest of the PC market that's lost out to tablets and phones.
Bioshock Infinite was developed on the PC first, then ported to the consoles. That's a trend that's going to continue, especially since the consoles are PCs with integrated peripherals.
XBone's presentation was run on a PC, not the XBone. Those next gen graphics were running on a PC, not a console. That means right now PCs are capable of matching or exceeding the console graphics.
PC gaming isn't going anywhere. It's going to be the driving force behind the PC market. Eventually it may be the PC market.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Translation: I used to wave my epeen around with the best of you lot! but I got a family/someone now so a dual titan liquid nitrogen cooled OCed system is no longer possible.
When PC gaming dies gaming dies, there is no if buts about it, every good or great game is made on the PC and most of those play on the PC to boot, it is only publisher greed that sets up games for exclusive platforms and then waved off because "of the difficulty of porting". We should all remember what happened to the steaming pile of dog shit that was the Force Unleashed 1 (it launched for almost every platform imaginable except the PC, they even stated that it will never be on the PC, what happened when their sales weren't up to snuff? Star Wars The Force Unleashed: Sith Edition, now on PC too!).
Gaming in itself will branch out with certain types of games gravitating more towards certain platforms (turn based games will feel right at home with tablets, especially the ones that can't afford high quality graphics, the smartphones will always be a hiding spot for the rare Zelda 1-type RPGs, consoles will have their own games but these game will likely be shared between them and PCs because lets face it a console at this point is just a cheapo pre-built PC you can't tweak).
Also to the ones horrified by the prices of "good pre-built gaming PCs": You can throw together a good PC that will last a long, long time with maybe a graphics card change near the end of its life and which wouldn't cost you more than 700-800 dollars with a decent Monitor, 2.0 boxes and a mouse and keyboard. This machine if cared for and treated right will run games at medium settings (console settings btw) for its whole life cycle and the price is so high due to the need of peripherals, if you have a good tv at home you can spare you could hook up the PC to it, get some USB extension cables and just game in bed like a lazy sod all day.
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/microsoft-reverses-always-internet-used-game-policies-xbox-211818635.html
CONSUMERS DO HAVE POWER. Get yours back and stop bending over for every new thing they demand you accept.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson