I always hear Eve being hailed as the shining beacon of subscription MMO hope. But, I looked into this plex thing...
Is it true I can just buy all the Plex I want with my credit card and then sell it in game to become crazy rich? That seems at least somewhat pay to win...they are basically being their own gold sellers.
Pay2Win is when you can buy stuff for RL cash that is better than what can be gained in the game by normal means.
Please report your findings, we are all very interested to see if you won or not. P.S., if you intend of transporting the $2,500 in PLEX from one station to another, please let me know your character name, I would like to help you "win" :-p
One of my most funny Eve moments was when about four of us in BC's ran into a dread in an asteroid belt in low sec. No joke, he was ratting, shooting at a frig size rat with a cap size weapon probably wondering why he was missing. The kill mail showed that he had only 1 gun fit and nothing else.
He later told us that he bought the character recently and had only been playing a few weeks.
But wait that's not possible I am constantly told that all that matters is time played = SP = win
Nope experience > isk and skill. Buying a char in eve you do not have former and will lose latter. In other mmorgs, you buy a char, you have that gear advantage regardless.
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I always hear Eve being hailed as the shining beacon of subscription MMO hope. But, I looked into this plex thing...
Is it true I can just buy all the Plex I want with my credit card and then sell it in game to become crazy rich? That seems at least somewhat pay to win...they are basically being their own gold sellers.
EVE-Online is all about skills , no matter how rich you are , if you play poorly, the ISK will disappear rather quickly. I used to mine 6-7 PLEX's worth a month back in the day. If you buy PLEX for ISK , then you are clearly doing something wrong. Now popping a freight ship carrying over 20bil ISK in PLEX to then sale them for profit, now THAT'S smart!
Originally posted by Bladestrom Nope experience > isk and skill. Buying a char in eve you do not have former and will lose latter. In other mmorgs, you buy a char, you have that gear advantage regardless.
*cough* there was some sarcasm there that you missed ^^
I sometimes make spelling and grammar errors but I don't pretend it's because I'm using a phone
Originally posted by XxGrimmxX First we must define the definition of Pay to Win. Some say it's the ability to buy items that are superior than those provided in the game and the only way to get them is from real currency. Some say being able to spend money to get top tier gear/ships/equipment etc without having to put in the time to get it yourself is pay to win. Personally I think EVE is pay to win to a slight degree. Saying that you have to put months in to train your skills doesn't detract from the fact that you can essentially buy any ship you want. If WoW released a shop that allowed you to buy all the best gear would you not call that pay to win? "NO of course not, you have to spend A LOT of time grinding up to level 90, then you have to learn how to properly PvP...etc etc" I think you see my point. Player skill, or game knowledge has nothing to do with if a game is pay to win. Is EVE pay to win? People with money to blow certainly do have an advantage, you can't deny that.
Actually you are completely incorrect. If anything, the guy who spends RL money to buy big expensive ships are only making the PVPer happy when they blow you up. If anything it could be called "pay to produce my own tears". There is absolutely no advantage to buying ISK in game by selling PLEX. It merely saves you some time making the ISK in-game.
Originally posted by XxGrimmxX First we must define the definition of Pay to Win. Some say it's the ability to buy items that are superior than those provided in the game and the only way to get them is from real currency. Some say being able to spend money to get top tier gear/ships/equipment etc without having to put in the time to get it yourself is pay to win. Personally I think EVE is pay to win to a slight degree. Saying that you have to put months in to train your skills doesn't detract from the fact that you can essentially buy any ship you want. If WoW released a shop that allowed you to buy all the best gear would you not call that pay to win? "NO of course not, you have to spend A LOT of time grinding up to level 90, then you have to learn how to properly PvP...etc etc" I think you see my point. Player skill, or game knowledge has nothing to do with if a game is pay to win. Is EVE pay to win? People with money to blow certainly do have an advantage, you can't deny that.
Umm...you seem to think you can just by a ship and that means you win. Sure a player with a lot of ISK can buy any ship they want - but what good is that ship if you can't even pilot it? You just wasted ISK on a ship you cannot fly. And no..people with money have no advantage - zero. I know people in game that made all their ISK running missions - billions of ISK. They actually buy Plex for game time.
There is no golden Ammo in EVE - none. There is no ship you cannot easily buy if you run a few missions. Yes there are people that buy Plex for ISK - because they don't like anything not related to Pew Pew against other players. That is there choice if that is how they wish to get their ISK - it doesn't give them any advantage whatsoever - at all - zero.
And can't you buy characters? Can't I essentially just buy a really decked out character, buy a really OP decked out ship, etc? Psh.. no advantage whatsoever to someone who doesn't spend money on the game at all... /thread
Correct, no advantage whatsoever. All you accomplish is being made fun of for being a newbie when you get that big expensive decked out ship blown up to a small 5 frigate gang. Expensive decked out ships mean absolutely nothing. Someone will see it and mark you as an easy target, then set up a trap. It's far wiser to fly cheap.
Please report your findings, we are all very interested to see if you won or not. P.S., if you intend of transporting the $2,500 in PLEX from one station to another, please let me know your character name, I would like to help you "win" :-p
One of my most funny Eve moments was when about four of us in BC's ran into a dread in an asteroid belt in low sec. No joke, he was ratting, shooting at a frig size rat with a cap size weapon probably wondering why he was missing. The kill mail showed that he had only 1 gun fit and nothing else.
He later told us that he bought the character recently and had only been playing a few weeks.
But wait that's not possible I am constantly told that all that matters is time played = SP = win
Now I are confuzzled
No, time played = SP != win. Total newbies with jackshit skillpts can still "win". Simply having a character with a lot of skillpoints isn't going to win anything for you if you don't have the "know how" to fly correctly and pick your fights wisely.
why not actually play the game before making threads like this? all questions would be answered within the first 15 minutes of gameplay.
and there is a free trial afaik.
If you read my earlier replys you would know I have played the game. Let me guess your a read the first page then skip to the back of the book type of guy.
Originally posted by XxGrimmxX First we must define the definition of Pay to Win. Some say it's the ability to buy items that are superior than those provided in the game and the only way to get them is from real currency. Some say being able to spend money to get top tier gear/ships/equipment etc without having to put in the time to get it yourself is pay to win. Personally I think EVE is pay to win to a slight degree. Saying that you have to put months in to train your skills doesn't detract from the fact that you can essentially buy any ship you want. If WoW released a shop that allowed you to buy all the best gear would you not call that pay to win? "NO of course not, you have to spend A LOT of time grinding up to level 90, then you have to learn how to properly PvP...etc etc" I think you see my point. Player skill, or game knowledge has nothing to do with if a game is pay to win. Is EVE pay to win? People with money to blow certainly do have an advantage, you can't deny that.
Umm...you seem to think you can just by a ship and that means you win. Sure a player with a lot of ISK can buy any ship they want - but what good is that ship if you can't even pilot it? You just wasted ISK on a ship you cannot fly. And no..people with money have no advantage - zero. I know people in game that made all their ISK running missions - billions of ISK. They actually buy Plex for game time.
There is no golden Ammo in EVE - none. There is no ship you cannot easily buy if you run a few missions. Yes there are people that buy Plex for ISK - because they don't like anything not related to Pew Pew against other players. That is there choice if that is how they wish to get their ISK - it doesn't give them any advantage whatsoever - at all - zero.
And can't you buy characters? Can't I essentially just buy a really decked out character, buy a really OP decked out ship, etc? Psh.. no advantage whatsoever to someone who doesn't spend money on the game at all... /thread
Correct, no advantage whatsoever. All you accomplish is being made fun of for being a newbie when you get that big expensive decked out ship blown up to a small 5 frigate gang. Expensive decked out ships mean absolutely nothing. Someone will see it and mark you as an easy target, then set up a trap. It's far wiser to fly cheap.
The Killboards are filled with people who thought big expensive ships with expensive modules meant they could pwn. Eve is a game populated by players that really do enjoy blowing things up, and painting a 'im a noob in a big ship' target on yourself is a great way to make someone elses day
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Pay2Win is when you can buy stuff for RL cash that is better than what can be gained in the game by normal means.
So no.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18599712
that is simply why Eve is not p2w
in rough tterms thats about $350 give or take gone...
You can have all the money in the world but if your a dickhead your going to be skint very very soon in eve
This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game
where of course you're welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
Use this code for 21days trial in eve online https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=d385aff2-794a-44a4-96f1-3967ccf6d720&action=buddy
But wait that's not possible I am constantly told that all that matters is time played = SP = win
Now I are confuzzled
Give me liberty or give me lasers
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EVE-Online is all about skills , no matter how rich you are , if you play poorly, the ISK will disappear rather quickly. I used to mine 6-7 PLEX's worth a month back in the day. If you buy PLEX for ISK , then you are clearly doing something wrong. Now popping a freight ship carrying over 20bil ISK in PLEX to then sale them for profit, now THAT'S smart!
*cough* there was some sarcasm there that you missed ^^
I sometimes make spelling and grammar errors but I don't pretend it's because I'm using a phone
Actually you are completely incorrect. If anything, the guy who spends RL money to buy big expensive ships are only making the PVPer happy when they blow you up. If anything it could be called "pay to produce my own tears". There is absolutely no advantage to buying ISK in game by selling PLEX. It merely saves you some time making the ISK in-game.
Correct, no advantage whatsoever. All you accomplish is being made fun of for being a newbie when you get that big expensive decked out ship blown up to a small 5 frigate gang. Expensive decked out ships mean absolutely nothing. Someone will see it and mark you as an easy target, then set up a trap. It's far wiser to fly cheap.
No, time played = SP != win. Total newbies with jackshit skillpts can still "win". Simply having a character with a lot of skillpoints isn't going to win anything for you if you don't have the "know how" to fly correctly and pick your fights wisely.
If you read my earlier replys you would know I have played the game. Let me guess your a read the first page then skip to the back of the book type of guy.
The Killboards are filled with people who thought big expensive ships with expensive modules meant they could pwn. Eve is a game populated by players that really do enjoy blowing things up, and painting a 'im a noob in a big ship' target on yourself is a great way to make someone elses day