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the combat upgrade is going to kill it i played it on TC and it took me and 2 of my friends 3 master pistoleers and 2 master combat medics and the other one was master scout/master medic......anyway it took 5 minutes to kill a difficulty lvl 50 creature and we were all lvl 80.....i think im switching to EQ2 or WoW to avoid SoE and guild wars comes out this week........
also the DEVs r back to their old ways and theyre being diks.....
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HArder is better my friend... a pistoleer soloing 4-5 rancors just isnt supposed to be possible.
heck Luke skywalker had difficulty soloing just one of them beasties in the movies... that and i mastered medic in 2 days... SWG wasis too easy.
i meant go to WoW to avoid SoE....
and harder would be fine but if u played it on the TC u would know what im talking about.....when it takes 3 master professions over 5 minutes to kill a dog (huurton) and almost die in the proccess with full armor then i think its a little rediculous
im all for it man, the game is too easy as it is... i mastered scout in 5 hours (the harvesting/exploring trees)...
Couldnt agree more... however....
THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM DAY 1 DAMNIT!!!!
This game was basically ruined for me because of SOE's complete failure to put the universe of SWG in context with the universe of the movies. The Rancor example is one that I always use to make this point.
The fact that 4 weeks after launch the best place to see a Rancor was near a cantina in a most major towns TOTALLY RUINED THE IMMERSION!!. Like Diedes points out these were supposed to be mythical beasts of Lore that even Jedi have trouble besting. Instead they became like a$$holes, eveyone had to have one.
You can use this same level of inconsistency with dozens of other examples from the game.
The short of it was like most SOE productions, a flawed launch, so flawed that they created the usual 2 teir pre and post patch player base. The uber pre-patchers and the forlorn post patchers. I will applaud the first company that has the guts to do a server wipe when they get this stuff so badly wroing. SWG has needed at least one maybe even 2 or 3 server wipes since launch imho!
Not good Enough!
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
exactly its like they have never even seen even a preview to one of the movies but wave a dollar a mile away and they have no trouble seeing that
I'm really looking forward do the combat upgrade, finally the big old groups again!
scientology
CU will put the multiplayer back into MMORPG.
Sure it will be a MESS for a while ... converting a whole database will not happen without glitches.
And if people leave because of CU .... /sigh ... understandable .... people resent change. On the other hand I expect many new players coming for the fresh start and many old players coming back (especially PvP players).
Have fun
Erillion
And to those that say devs suck ... pray tell, why then is it so that some of the harshest critics attended the recent SWG Breakfast fan event and came away with the feeling that the devs (especially Pex and Tiggs) are a GREAT bunch of people ?! The same critics that called them incompetent not a week ago ?
Have fun
Erillion
And to those that say devs suck ... pray tell, why then is it so that some of the harshest critics attended the recent SWG Breakfast fan event and came away with the feeling that the devs (especially Pex and Tiggs) are a GREAT bunch of people ?! The same critics that called them incompetent not a week ago ?
Because Devs can be (quote) GREAT bunch of people, but that doesnt mean they arent incompetant. Many incompetant people are a GREAT bunch of people.
Two people do not make a dev team. Your so called "example" is just #1 a unsubstantiated believe that some people changed their minds that devs suck and #2 even if that were true, since when do these people represent all the people who think devs suck since thats what your implying.
As for your claiming people resent change, just because you rememberd a cliche doesnt mean its suitable for all purposes. People resent spending thousands of real life hours, collecting resources/items/armor/etc to have the devs arbitrarily one day destroy all your work. For many its almost equivalent to a character wipe. People are resentfull because the game has been setup this way and is the system people have been playing and putting their dues into from the start and then the devs turn all your hard work into, NOTHING! And you wonder why people resent change? Get out of the fanboy clubhouse and see things from someone who isnt in a cheerleader outfit waving pompoms.
The system should have been changed at least a year ago, it wouldnt have taken much, a few nerfs here and their would easily have brough grouping back, which would have made the content harder, and would have addressed all the issues people have brought up. You are a veteran and you know damn well the changes to make the game group based again could have been done EASILY long ago.
Instead they wait to unload this festering CU update which ruins the game for 1/3rd of the players on the servers and you question if the Devs suck?
SWG has needed at least one maybe even 2 or 3 server wipes since launch imho!
And thats why the Dev team in SWG are the most imcompetant dev team ive so far seen. Thats not to say they arent fairly good coders or that their technical skills are in doubt. All games have bugs, often times big glaring ones. I'm not even downing the entire Dev team. Just the vision/direction leaders, the ones who dole out the resources, what is prioritized, ignored, and or implemented. They cleared them out before and they need to do it again until they get people that know what their doing.
The incompetance of this Dev team stems from the fact they have no real understanding of their game. Also total arrogrance and their belligerant nature to the subscriber base doesnt helps either.
If they need several character wipes to get things stabilized, that speaks volumes about their ability.
Almost 2 years later SWG is redefining the ENTIRE structure to try to get it finally right which from the consensus of the vast majority of players is worse than ever. Only the most diehard fanboi's could possibly argue the devs competance anymore.
Before this last iminent change I deleted all 3 of my accounts, My Master Weaponsmith/Shipwright/Armoursmith has been deleted, the resourses I spend 10 months religeously collecting are pretty crap now due to the changes about to take place, My master smuggler / BH, GOD how crap can one character be, why did they bother the smuggler is the most crap character and after this CU, WOOOOOT , the Smuggler will be even more useless, is this possible?.
My Primary character which I stalled at the point before he became an Initiate, Man the designers on this game are fecking tits, I have played text based free DnD games that have 1000X more vision and understanding of what they were doing, god, all I can say is, man if you still pay for this game after the crap job they have done, well you guys and the half wit programmers from SWG deserve one another.
Scorpes .. let me rephrase then. People I know who are harsh critics of the devs think that the devs they met at the recent Fan Fest (more than the 2 I mentioned) are COMPETENT and A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE. They came away with the feeling that THESE people can pull it off given time. Time is the key here - and directly related - pressure from marketing. I never claimed that a few people represent all the others that think the devs "suck" ... I just pointed out that its exactly this KIND of people that change their mind once they meet the devs in person. If you want to play semantic games ... feel free. Lets waste some hours pointlessly discussing the meaning of words.
That people resent change is a proven fact of psychology .. especially the part that concerns itself with the behaviour of a large numbers of people. You are welcome to read up on that topic.
To compare the combat revamp with a character wipe is a JOKE ! Must be. Some stats change. Some requirements change - but as EVERYONE (especially amongst the crafters) is affected in the same way, no one is at a disadvantage compared to his peers. If after the CU its NOT the game they want to play anymore ... there are plenty of alternatives out there. To talk about what should have been done a year ago is pointless. Its the here and now that counts.
Being called a fanboy makes me smile, cause I have been called a troublemaker too (2 forum bannings so far for pointing out problems in the game and - back then - especially the poor quality of customer support). So when I take both quotes I guess I am pretty much in the middle :-)
have fun
Erillion
Tigercha .. have fun whereever your gaming life takes you from here.
EVE is a nice Sci Fi game if you want to try it .. free download.
have fun
Erillion
On every fourm there is disent and complaining currently with the timing of the cu clearly not finished or ready yet. Last night there were protests which brought the server down several of the severs.
Many folks have cancled in process of cancleing or leaving one remaining toon to see what happens.
Reguardless of the changes needed, the fact is that a 2 year old game is changing everything, scrubing doc crafting screwing crafters, taking entertainer skills away, effecting every aspect of the game yet not allowing all classes to respec is just mindboggleing
There are those that will return and peek in the game there are those that will leave for good.
The Players are what made the game during all the hard times the up sets and changes. Without the players, and or exdus, there will be merged servers and no matter what pie in the sky advertising they think will bring the players back WORD of Mouth with all the canclelations will super sceed any additions the new players will bring in. They had pie in the sky thoughts on eq 2 as well though game is clearly not a faliure it is not the sucess the marketing folks thought/hoped it would be
Even if new players come they will experaince the "new swg" and realize the very core under went surgical changes which alineated the players from the designers of said game.
When a company so hung on themselves, refuses to listen there own testers dump crud on the severs live when it is clearly not ready, the game deserves whatever happens to it .
For people that choose to PAY for beta product that is barely playable (Cu) then the players deseve whatever it is they think they are getting with cu......including ctds, and the high end game was never tested fully in testing ( the coding wasn't in yet , on the advanced planets)
If you choose to continue to be a part of this then you are allowing a game company to do whatever it is they want without the players input of established player base and long term vets............
Defend it all you want , whatever happens in the next few months time will tell, rather it be servers merged, rollbacks, ctds, exdous , THis is the only game i know of where the deveolpers killed the game not the players .........................
With the combat revamp and the Wookie expansion the game will be rough for a while (reason: see above). IMHO its very much worth playing and even more so with the changes. Combat is about to change dramatically. Space has been added since you played, which is a whole second game on top of it (and its DARN fun).
Server population is down somewhat compared to the time you played, but more due to WoW and people waiting for Combat revamp than for any inherent flaw of the game. But if you start on a nice server with an active guild (contacts galore here on the forum in the SWG section) you WILL have fun I think. No one can say yet if numbers will rise (new players getting bored with WOW or using SOE station access pass or former SWG players coming back after many of the old annoying things have been fixed) or fall (from people cancelling accounts because the game changed). I think it will get better, but as I said .. I expect some rough weeks ahead.
The "Total experience" however is a very good deal if the only thing you have is basic SWG or none of the 3 things.
Have fun
Erillion
TBH, that combat upgrade is the best thing SOE has done for SWG.
Gone will be the days when a TKM can solo a Rancor (Luke was a Jedi and you know what the first thing he did was when he encountered a Rancor? He ran and hide)
I applaude the DEVs for the combat upgrade. I personally know MANY people who will be returning beause of this.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
en1gma, any chance mmorpg will review their rating for swg? its still at 7.0... id agree thats what the game was worth when it came out, but its changed alot since, and IMHO is much better now!
I say Swg deserves a new review/rating for what it is today.
A new rating makes sense one month after the new expansion has gone live. Also a good time for a MMORPG staff review of the new expansion.
Have fun
Erillion
People I know who are harsh critics of the devs think that the devs they met at the recent Fan Fest (more than the 2 I mentioned) are COMPETENT and A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE. They came away with the feeling that THESE people can pull it off given time. Time is the key here
Devs need more time? Did I read that correctly? SWG is 2 years old! and its revamping its entire playstyle, and yet you say give them TIME. You have to be kidding me. SWG and humans have shortlifespans, the only timeline that would suit the DEV team is geologic. How can you even begin to defend the competancy if the game is 2 years old and they need to go back to the drawing board? That simply by itself is an incredible FAILURE on their part and noway can it be defended.
The biggest failure of this game from the beginning was the balancing was never done right, remember PetWars, when 50% of all characters had grauls and everyone was a CH. after about 6-7 months they fixed something that shoulda been hotfixed 4 months prior instead those people had a huge advantage in character development and speeded the game faster than the devs anticipated. That is but a microcosm of the issues with balancing that was never fixed and still hasent.
Now with this new CU, I've yet to see even one diehard fanboi claim that the CU is ready. In fact every post ive seen about the CU from people even the fanboi's who LOVE it still dont think its ready to be released just yet. So that means we will once again be paying beta testers for CU, again incompetance and the player base is made to pay to suffer. When will you realize the dev team cares absolutely nothing for you. They have their agenda, and to hell or high water it will be done and if they need to step on peasants to accomplish it, so much the better.
To compare the combat revamp with a character wipe is a JOKE ! Must be. Some stats change. Some requirements change - but as EVERYONE (especially amongst the crafters) is affected in the same way, no one is at a disadvantage compared to his peers. If after the CU its NOT the game they want to play anymore ... there are plenty of alternatives out there. To talk about what should have been done a year ago is pointless. Its the here and now that counts.
And this is the level of arrogance I have learned to accept from SWG and its legion of fanbois. Its comparable to a character wipe for alot of people, some people spent their ENTIRE SWG playing experience, gathering rare resources, items, etc, that will all be useless in the upcoming CU. The only thing that still be usefull is that they still keep their profession, but when you lost thousands of hours playing a character, seeing 90% of your effort lost in the CU and you think thats a joke? Everyone else's gaming experience you scoff at or ridicule and when they see all that hard work and effort lost you tell them to just get lost and find another game? Havent you ever been outspoken about something you loved and cared for even if you had almost no chance of making a difference? Obviously not, unless hypocrisy rules the day.
As for talking about things that happened a year ago, I was making a point of where their competancy is. Thank you very much but their track record directly leads into credibility and credibility about balancing even the new CU and everything else about the game is seriously in doubt. Sorry that concept is beyond your understanding, i hope this helps you.
The current system is broken, it should have been fixed 1 1/2 years ago, but due to the devs team incompetance it wasnt, why should we expect anything better. This could have been handled so much better and almost every veteran player i would trust to have done it. This is simply a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Instead of fixing a broken system, they just decide to break the players and impose a new broken system.
I for one dont want to see the game die, but hopefully when everyone drops out of the game for this CU, they will toss out these bums now and get some people who know what their doing. It happened over a year ago when SWG was in another huge uproar and lost 1/2 of its userbase, we need another purge now to bring back the game we love by developers who actually listen to its users.
I always thought that i'd return to SWG if the combat upgrade was released and up to scratch. To me it sounds like I just need to wait a little until the bugs are ironed out, then get an SOE AA pass (i want to give PlanetSide and EQII another shot).
The one thing that would ensure my return to SWG (though I can never see it happening) would be the opening of a fresh server. I would love to see how the world would evolve with everyone starting as emtpy pocketed newbies in a fixed game (essentially how it could have been two years ago). I would love to be a part of that, I'm much less interested in starting a new character in an already established/rich/skillful world.
I think the CU will do wonders for the game in the longterm but it will probably do some harm to it's subscriber base in the short term. Eventually word of mouth will change from "it's screwed, leave now" to "it's finally fixed! time to return lads!".
I voted no and I don't even know what CU stands for.
Fanbois gone bad seem to lose all sense of logic when something they don't like happens in their favorite MMO...
Ill talk to Admin about it
As to who will review it, I wouldnt know until after I talk with him
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.