Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
(POLL): RAIDING- how important is this to you?
MMOExposed
Member RarePosts: 7,400
In the new and old age of MMO genre starting back from EQ1, PvE Raiding was a huge part of the genre.
its the only form of large scale multiplayer PvE.
but for today's age MMO gamers Raiding has gained a strong negative association.
I witness this during the Guild Wars 2 hype phase, in which lots of people came out the closet to share this dislike of Raiding.
well how important will raiding be for the EQNEXT community?
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Comments
I enjoy solo and group play, but as a primarily PvE player, i eventually want to have the challenge of having to work together and coordinate with a large group of people.
To me, MMOs at their best are a team sport. Succeeding at something by yourself just isn't quite the same as being part of team and working hard to accomplish something epic.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
10 for me, raiding is the occasion to really play with most of your guild mates, so is very important for me, and make me feel part of a brotherhood.
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it"
-Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.
Don't care for raiding and gear treadmill..never have and never will.
So i voted for 0.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
SWG, Eve, Planetside 2, EQN, Star Citizen
I voted 10.
Hmm, I'm not a crafter, I'm not a PVP'er, I'm not someone who likes doing houses, I do like raid.
If there's an alternative to raiding end-game sure, but I wouldn't know what.
I do like really slow leveling, I prefer grouping over raiding. But eventually you hit the cap.
Just to commend on this, while most people associate raids with endgame, i do think that it's great that games like Rift and GW2 have been do give us raiding at all levels. Even if it was more of a zerg experience than anything truly challenging, it was still cool to do stuff with many people without having to get to cap. Nothing gives me that "Epic" feeling like taking on an huge mob or army of mobs with a whole bunch of others.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
i voted 5. Right in the middle. Im ok with doing a few raids casually here and there, but i dont play mmos to raid like its a job. I dont even care about end game, i hit level cap and start a new character. But like i said, im ok with them being there for a few casual runs. Nothing grindy for gears, just exploring the content then moving on.
If raids become content available since you start the game then yeah i would like that to happen.
Yah, EQ introduced lower level raids, like the Hive Queen, in TSS, but it never took off, people just skipped the raid mob and grouped.
Rift rifts were great.
What I did love in EQ was the Arena Master's Challenge. It puts your group in the Freeport Arena. And your group is challenged with waves of mobs.
-The first Wave is a single easy mob
-The second Wave is a harder single mob
-the 10th Wave might be one hard mob and 4 adds
The longer you stay alive, the higher in stats your badge go. Each time you get more powerful you go back there with your group and get a better badge with bettter stats. This is one of the best concepts of EQ I feel, and it came really late into the game...somewhere around TSS maybe.
Then why do you play? So you can just do the easiest stuff in the game?
What kind of stupid question is that?
I play because there is a lot more to do in MMOS than just raiding. And as far as 'easiest stuff' it is all subjective. Bunch of guys hitting on a boss with a billion HP till it bursts open like pinata and give you goodies is not my idea of 'challenge'.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Maybe he plays for a thing called fun? Look it up in the dictionary.
...not very heroic. - James Ohlen
lol
The opposite, I don't raid because I don't like to do the easiest stuff in the game!
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
We all stand in awe of your manliness. Flex for us again?
Bunch of guys hitting on a boss with a billion HP till it bursts open like pinata
Clearly people that havent done a real raid.
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it"
-Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.
I'd just like to point out that you seem to have a quite dated idea of what a raid is like. I mean, yes it's still a bunch of people killing a big boss, but in most modern MMOs, it's a lot more complex than just a lot of people afk stabbing a high-hp pinata. In games where the raiding is well designed, different people have to fill different roles and co-ordinate really well in order to win. It most definitely IS a challenge.
I rather disliked raiding 10 years ago when it was 50 people shooting a mob and no skill required. The modern raids I find really fun and challenging.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
And what are these MMOS you are talking about? any examples where AI in raiding is intelligent and is a lot more than just a target practise?
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
I voted 1-0. I would have voted 0 if the choice were singularly there
I dislike raiding when it is read somewhere how someone else did it and copy their method.
I like raiding when it is a large group of people trying to figure out how to do it. Since I level extremely slow (alt-itis being a bad thing for speed leveling), I am never at the top and being the ones to "figure things out." By the time I get there, it has all been done and beaten.
Finding like-minded players is getting tougher and tougher.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
EQ? Tank and spank raids pretty much ended with the introduction of GoD.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9smPHiPWJDU
This was and still is one of the more complex EQ raids, involves mezzes, different waves, different types of mobs that should be killed in certain order, lots of control involved.
Another raid would be Mastery of Corruption, where your raids consist of EQ characters like clerics, warriors, enchanters, and you're fighting yourself basically.
GoD raids also introduced traps and tradeskills into the raids, required to get past certain doors and areas.
THIS IS FUN!...at least for me. I love wiping and trying again until we get it right.
What is funny about "Raiders" is, they all says the same thing, raiding is hard, challenging, complex, you need coordination, yes you're right, but only for the 1st couple of time and I'm being generous. You see, every game I have been in, all I see in the guildchat/LFGchat is, know the fight and be gear. How many time I've seen a post in my guild forum, Raid Friday, know the fight, read the strategy and watch videos. Also, there's nothing hard about going the same raid over and over every day for weeks. So all of you Hardcore Raiders, stop trying to fool ppl with your raid is hard when you are the 1st one to make sure you learn everything before going in!!!
Raiding is probably hard for those on the PTS who are the 1st one to run and make the strategy and strategy video.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I've no idea about intelligent AI. Which parts of MMOs that YOU play have intelligent AI?
As far as challenging raids - EQ2, LoTRO, AoC all have raids that are a lot more than simple target practice. While there were no raids in either TSW or Neverwinter, the nature of the challenge-level group content in those two games leads me to think that their raids would also be quite a challenge.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
For me, I'd like to know it's there, just in case I ever decided to play the game and wanted to raid, but it would really depend on how it's done, how well it's done, etc. I could certainly live without it.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.