Passive/Tactical first term very negative, second term neutral.
Your bias is showing.
Don't get to excited please :-)
Passive is the opposite of active, nothing more. What is more positive, an active war or a passive war?
Tactical is a strange definition I agree. It mostly stand for the high amount of abilities passive/tactical combat offers. While technical stands for the reflexes.
I have a bias, but it's not what you think. I'm more of a tactical/passive kind of fighter. I prefer not to actively do the fight, I prefer to control the fight in other ways, while still enjoying the visuals and thrills. There you go.
Nope it is push polling. Now you suggested that English is your second language but to any English speaker you are putting positive values on one choice and negative values on the other.
OK before I start the insults...
How do you describe something passive, in a positive way?
By thinking a little more on the categories, if you are trying to contrast target-lock and free target say that, if you are trying to contrast move-dodge versus stats-dodge say that. Describing one style as active and another as passive is a false dichotomy were in both cases we are sitting down and pressing keys on a keyboard/mouse.
Passive/Tactical first term very negative, second term neutral.
Your bias is showing.
Don't get to excited please :-)
Passive is the opposite of active, nothing more. What is more positive, an active war or a passive war?
Tactical is a strange definition I agree. It mostly stand for the high amount of abilities passive/tactical combat offers. While technical stands for the reflexes.
I have a bias, but it's not what you think. I'm more of a tactical/passive kind of fighter. I prefer not to actively do the fight, I prefer to control the fight in other ways, while still enjoying the visuals and thrills. There you go.
Nope it is push polling. Now you suggested that English is your second language but to any English speaker you are putting positive values on one choice and negative values on the other.
OK before I start the insults...
How do you describe something passive, in a positive way?
By thinking a little more on the categories, if you are trying to contrast target-lock and free target say that, if you are trying to contrast move-dodge versus stats-dodge say that. Describing one style as active and another as passive is a false dichotomy were in both cases we are sitting down and pressing keys on a keyboard/mouse.
You're a difficult person and should not participate in polls, but you can if you want.
You agree that something can be passive while not being negative, that's the most important thing you said and so there is no problem.
Passive/Tactical first term very negative, second term neutral.
Your bias is showing.
Don't get to excited please :-)
Passive is the opposite of active, nothing more. What is more positive, an active war or a passive war?
Tactical is a strange definition I agree. It mostly stand for the high amount of abilities passive/tactical combat offers. While technical stands for the reflexes.
I have a bias, but it's not what you think. I'm more of a tactical/passive kind of fighter. I prefer not to actively do the fight, I prefer to control the fight in other ways, while still enjoying the visuals and thrills. There you go.
That's just it, it isn't passive combat, it's stat based combat with time given to make choices in the use and timing of reactive and situational abilities that go along with auto-attack, dodge, parry and block.
Passive/Tactical first term very negative, second term neutral.
Your bias is showing.
Nope it is push polling. Now you suggested that English is your second language but to any English speaker you are putting positive values on one choice and negative values on the other.
OK before I start the insults...
How do you describe something passive, in a positive way?
By thinking a little more on the categories, if you are trying to contrast target-lock and free target say that, if you are trying to contrast move-dodge versus stats-dodge say that. Describing one style as active and another as passive is a false dichotomy were in both cases we are sitting down and pressing keys on a keyboard/mouse.
You're a difficult person and should not participate in polls, but you can if you want.
You agree that something can be passive while not being negative, that's the most important thing you said and so there is no problem.
Where do I say that???
Is "difficult person" your first insult? Do you still propose to be insulting for no apparent reason?
Passive/Tactical first term very negative, second term neutral.
Your bias is showing.
Nope it is push polling. Now you suggested that English is your second language but to any English speaker you are putting positive values on one choice and negative values on the other.
OK before I start the insults...
How do you describe something passive, in a positive way?
By thinking a little more on the categories, if you are trying to contrast target-lock and free target say that, if you are trying to contrast move-dodge versus stats-dodge say that. Describing one style as active and another as passive is a false dichotomy were in both cases we are sitting down and pressing keys on a keyboard/mouse.
You're a difficult person and should not participate in polls, but you can if you want.
You agree that something can be passive while not being negative, that's the most important thing you said and so there is no problem.
Where do I say that???
Is "difficult person" your first insult? Do you still propose to be insulting for no apparent reason?
Do you intend to further misquote me?
bleh...I'm getting tired of you.
You ducked two of my questions in a row so I'm not answering yours now.
Sorry but you can't always get what you want. Your arguments are not challenging anyway. You just want to reduce this subject to a ridiculous matter of vocabulary on a totally wrong basis. The terms have no positive or negative value.
The only negative value I see here is your comment.
And afterall, you said that I can describe something passive in a non negative way by thinking a little bit more about categories blablabla. I choose not to do that for obvious practical reasons which you wouldn't understand, but I do take your confirmation that it IS possible, and that passive isn't necessarily equal to negative. So problem solved.
Passive/Tactical first term very negative, second term neutral.
Your bias is showing.
Nope it is push polling. Now you suggested that English is your second language but to any English speaker you are putting positive values on one choice and negative values on the other.
OK before I start the insults...
How do you describe something passive, in a positive way?
By thinking a little more on the categories, if you are trying to contrast target-lock and free target say that, if you are trying to contrast move-dodge versus stats-dodge say that. Describing one style as active and another as passive is a false dichotomy were in both cases we are sitting down and pressing keys on a keyboard/mouse.
You're a difficult person and should not participate in polls, but you can if you want.
You agree that something can be passive while not being negative, that's the most important thing you said and so there is no problem.
Where do I say that???
Is "difficult person" your first insult? Do you still propose to be insulting for no apparent reason?
Do you intend to further misquote me?
bleh...I'm getting tired of you.
You ducked two of my questions in a row so I'm not answering yours now.
Sorry but you can't always get what you want. Your arguments are not challenging anyway. You just want to reduce this subject to a ridiculous matter of vocabulary on a totally wrong basis. The terms have no positive or negative value.
The only negative value I see here is your comment.
And afterall, you said that I can describe something passive in a non negative way by thinking a little bit more about categories blablabla. I choose not to do that for obvious practical reasons which you wouldn't understand, but I do take your confirmation that it IS possible, and that passive isn't necessarily equal to negative. So problem solved.
Still misrepresenting me I did not say anywhere that "passive" was an OK term in this context. I said you could describe whatever it is you mean in other words without using a word like "passive".
Your little piece of push polling is ridiculous and you know it.
I want a variety of combat styles, as long as they're each executed well.
But generally for MMORPGs type of combat that works best is based more around decision-making (tactics) than execution (twitch), because the success of RPGs over the years has been specifically due to their having little or no twitch element (which allows them to appeal broadly.)
Calling this "passive" is misleading and really just incorrect, as you still make active choices during these types of combat systems, it's just a lot less about twitch reactions than solid tactics. (Although in modern WOW-like combat systems, twitch is still a relatively strong element. Reacting to a 1.5 sec spellcast might not be fighting game frame-counting, but it's still pretty fast-paced -- probably faster paced than it should be, honestly, to appeal to the broadest possible RPG audience.)
Passive combat is more like earlier MMORPGs, where you started auto-attacking and could almost AFK because you weren't going to make another decision for a while. For example in Asheron's Call most fights were pretty shallow: debuff the enemy, then nuke repeatedly with the same spell over and over.
So really the poll should be whether players want twitch to play a role in their combat. And again, my personal preference is I can enjoy anything as long as it's well-executed (deep gameplay.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Thanks for the input Axehilt but at least it didn't hold you from giving your opinion, because you understood the difference just like everyone else.
None of the answers were popular for everyone. A lot of people had a problem with one of the terms so I'll just leave it as it is. As long as the difference is understood ;-)
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By thinking a little more on the categories, if you are trying to contrast target-lock and free target say that, if you are trying to contrast move-dodge versus stats-dodge say that. Describing one style as active and another as passive is a false dichotomy were in both cases we are sitting down and pressing keys on a keyboard/mouse.
I like.
The action from Vindictus.
The group strategy of Everquest.
Mix them up somehow....lol.
You're a difficult person and should not participate in polls, but you can if you want.
You agree that something can be passive while not being negative, that's the most important thing you said and so there is no problem.
That's just it, it isn't passive combat, it's stat based combat with time given to make choices in the use and timing of reactive and situational abilities that go along with auto-attack, dodge, parry and block.
Where do I say that???
Is "difficult person" your first insult? Do you still propose to be insulting for no apparent reason?
Do you intend to further misquote me?
bleh...I'm getting tired of you.
You ducked two of my questions in a row so I'm not answering yours now.
Sorry but you can't always get what you want. Your arguments are not challenging anyway. You just want to reduce this subject to a ridiculous matter of vocabulary on a totally wrong basis. The terms have no positive or negative value.
The only negative value I see here is your comment.
And afterall, you said that I can describe something passive in a non negative way by thinking a little bit more about categories blablabla. I choose not to do that for obvious practical reasons which you wouldn't understand, but I do take your confirmation that it IS possible, and that passive isn't necessarily equal to negative. So problem solved.
Still misrepresenting me I did not say anywhere that "passive" was an OK term in this context. I said you could describe whatever it is you mean in other words without using a word like "passive".
Your little piece of push polling is ridiculous and you know it.
I want a variety of combat styles, as long as they're each executed well.
But generally for MMORPGs type of combat that works best is based more around decision-making (tactics) than execution (twitch), because the success of RPGs over the years has been specifically due to their having little or no twitch element (which allows them to appeal broadly.)
Calling this "passive" is misleading and really just incorrect, as you still make active choices during these types of combat systems, it's just a lot less about twitch reactions than solid tactics. (Although in modern WOW-like combat systems, twitch is still a relatively strong element. Reacting to a 1.5 sec spellcast might not be fighting game frame-counting, but it's still pretty fast-paced -- probably faster paced than it should be, honestly, to appeal to the broadest possible RPG audience.)
Passive combat is more like earlier MMORPGs, where you started auto-attacking and could almost AFK because you weren't going to make another decision for a while. For example in Asheron's Call most fights were pretty shallow: debuff the enemy, then nuke repeatedly with the same spell over and over.
So really the poll should be whether players want twitch to play a role in their combat. And again, my personal preference is I can enjoy anything as long as it's well-executed (deep gameplay.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Thanks for the input Axehilt but at least it didn't hold you from giving your opinion, because you understood the difference just like everyone else.
None of the answers were popular for everyone. A lot of people had a problem with one of the terms so I'll just leave it as it is. As long as the difference is understood ;-)