You know for a game that is putting out words like dynamic and different...
Shouldn't the weight of my character be dynamic? I mean if I stop going to adventure, hang out at the pub all day eating and drinking... My character should get fatter. Then if I start being active again I should lose weight...
That would be some nice dynamic content right there.
This would obviously be by far the coolest solution, however I don't know how feasible it is in a large scale mmorpg due to the amount of diffrent armor models etc.
I realise Rosie did the original eq1 stuff, but to me it seems like shes been way to heavily influenced by this fluffywuffy trash generation of mmorpgs that we are desperatly trying to climb our way out of.
If nothing else this thread has made it perfectly clear that she is not nearly as correct as she thought about most people wanting "pretty" ogres and trolls.
At the very least the next round table poll should be about this.
If I wanted to play a metrosexual character id play a highelf or woodelf, not ogre or a troll.
I just can't get over how stupid this very question is. What's next, she's going to say something like "Well, we're going to have gnomes and dwarves, but people don't REALLY want them to be short, do they? I mean, no one wants to play as a short stump, right? Let's have ourselves some tall, well-built and handsome gnomes."
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
Here is what I see on this forum. The same EQ neckbeards repeating over and over that they don't like something in hope they will get it changed. Worse, they are getting downright caustic and insulting. Honestly, my recommendation for the EQN development team would be to leave this forum and never come back.
Your character in game, RUNS all days and stops to fight dozens if not hundreds of enemies to the death per day. I can't imagine the sheer amount of food you would have to consume to have a lifestyle like that, and you'd be beyond ripped considering you do this while armed to the teeth and carrying more in your inventory backpack than any sherpa ever will.
I'm actually surprised avatars aren't more muscular than currently portrayed.
Seriously.
If I'm a warrior, SK, or pally spending all my time running around a huge world and swinging a massive sword or axe around at giants and monsters, and all while wearing a heavy suit of armor, it would stand to reason that I'm in fairly decent shape, even as an Ogre or Troll. I'd have to be just so I could get through the day without falling over dead from exhaustion. I'm frankly amazed that more humanoid warriors all don't look like Thor or like the Spartans in 300.
Likewise, if I'm a ranger or rogue that relies on bows and arrows or daggers and my wits, I'm going to abide by the first rule of Zombieland and be a cardio fiend, with just enough flexibility and stamina to survive.
Honestly, the only characters in a game that I could see being indolent and fat are wizards and mages, since they depend on their magic to fight their battles for them.
Of course we want fat ogres! and fat dwarfs! more importantly though, get rid of the green shrek ogres, give them a human complexion with green snot like in eq1!!
No offense to rosie but she seems a bit out of touch with the mmorpg crowd, there are people who purposly want "ugly" characters, I know if im gonna roll a male char I don't want it to be some lame boyband looking pantsy.
Ogres are not supposed to be pretty, neither are trolls or iksars for that mather.
Overall theres no benefit to not offering a "fat" race, isnt the whole point of multiple races to give people a choice?
No offense but the concept art I've seen of the ogres so far look more like orcs the ogres.
I don't know why it wouldn't occur to them that we want to be able to customize our characters from looking strong and lean, to dumb and fat like they're going too heavy on the ale.
I love the original ugly troll and ogre races from EQ1. Everything they made since just paled in comparison.
Pshh...EQ2 Ogre > EQ1 Ogre ... >|
Agreed, though, that Ogres must be ugly.
Originally posted by fox294
Given the plethora of race options, I don't think that you lose the "wanna be pretty" players by including some fat ugly races. The players who want to be attractive can play elves.
Players who want to be attractive ogres should probably just go ahead and eat a bag of poison for being so stupid.
Originally posted by Loke666
I don't think anyone plays an ogre to look good. Really, players like that plays elves or humans, possibly even kerrans but ogres and trolls should look ugly and scary.
At least a slider would be nice, ogres are supposed to have a belly, no-one can call Shrek slim and he is probably the most popular ogre ever.
Originally posted by munx4555
Im still baffled she seems to belive people want all races to be pretty, Honestly exactly what kinda people is it she thinks play mmos?
Newsflash, the majority of mmo gamers arnt female (Im sure theres quite a few of them don't get me wrong), we don't need firm male asses or sixpack abs and we also don't need the male faces that look like a proffesional make up artist did theyr makeup!
Infact Im gueesing most of us male gamers find that kinda character to be disturbing.
Wake up rosie, take a look at the dwarf beard poll, we don't want forced super model characters! We want the option to choose, so why the hell would you ruin ogres, trolls and other similar races?
Lord knows you got enough races that you can make feminine, so give the ogres and trolls to the guy with the sexy dwarf beard from the blackbox vid.
Originally posted by ste2000
Rosie, you are wrong (Have you noticed the fuss your Art-Style direction created these days?).
You already gave us Tony the Tiger, stop doing more damage pls.
MMO players like to play ugly and nasty characters............get a clue pls, before sinking EQNext to new depths.
Originally posted by evilastro I liked the EQ2 trolls and ogres. The uglyness was the charm. Ogres were the only race I didn't use SOGA for.
Originally posted by arieste
Of course.. people that want to play OGRES and TROLLS wnat to play the "pretty" kind of OGRES and TROLLS. God, she is a f***Ing idiot, no wonder EQN models look horrid under her direction.
Defition of ogre: Ogres are beings that are usually depicted as large, hideous, humanoidmonsters.
But yeah, let's make ogres pretty and/or handsome.
Originally posted by Ticklepink I wasn't half as angry about their stylized direction as I am now..She sounds misinformed and whats worse..defiant about being misinformed.
Originally posted by Ticklepink oh my God.. they hired a chick who rolled out of her hello kitty sheets and walked over to her malibu barbie desk to draw what she thinks the world likes. I'm a gamer chick and pretty pink and sparkly flowers in an mmo isn't my cup of fake tea(Mr snuggles wuggles might think so though)
Originally posted by Ticklepink Ugliness and darkness is the contrast for the beautiful. without the ugliness and darkness you have a Disney theme park ride.
Originally posted by gotha
God i hate pretty restrictions put on games. It gets horridly sexiest also normally restricting female avatars far more than male.
Let me be ugly dammit. People say it ruins other peoples gaming experience because they dont want to see ugly characters. This is pony poop and ruins my game experience by letting Enjoy the creativity and variest of players looks.
Originally posted by gotha Also there is no secret majority that is going to offended by ugly ogres or is happy that they are left out of the game.
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by Strangerous
oh ffs why don't they just make extremely feminine male characters with emo haircuts as the only option then
I HATE when I cant make a gritty ugly character, especially if its not human.
Think bright wizards from WAR as what I want from a human character. Beat up and grizzled. I don't need estrogen infused character that are pretty. Perhaps it should be an option, but there should also be the option to beat your character with a barbed ugly stick at character creation.
For me its part of immersion, you don't go about mass murdering beasts and monsters without some scars and scratches.
This. I just don't understand guys that want everything the same and pretty. I understand women wanting to look pretty but guys man up here, damn.
I'm starting to think Trolls are not going to be a playable race. Everyone keeps talking about ogres only.
Originally posted by Rosc I have yet to talk to anyone who does not want big, fat, oogly Trolls and Ogres. Give your community what they want!
Originally posted by syltmacka
ofc we want ugly dudes. so fekking tired of the girly men thats in every game. war was good at this, not much left to do at character creation tho but still.
Originally posted by munx4555
Originally posted by Crazy_Stick I have to agree with her. Sure it's nice to be able to make a fat, blundering, oaf, of a character but it's a niche want in an age where most players are far more casual and need to look cool to feel invested.
Male characters are a niche aswell, just saying.
Id say its far cooler to play as a grim and ugly character with some nasty features then playing a pretty boy, I feel directly uncomfortable playing male chars in most mmo's these days because they honestly don't look male, they look girlish, and its freaking disturbing.
Originally posted by Strangerous
oh ffs why don't they just make extremely feminine male characters with emo haircuts as the only option then
I HATE when I cant make a gritty ugly character, especially if its not human.
Think bright wizards from WAR as what I want from a human character. Beat up and grizzled. I don't need estrogen infused character that are pretty. Perhaps it should be an option, but there should also be the option to beat your character with a barbed ugly stick at character creation.
For me its part of immersion, you don't go about mass murdering beasts and monsters without some scars and scratches.
Originally posted by Telondariel
Originally posted by pvpirl
Originally posted by Ticklepink oh my God.. they hired a chick who rolled out of her hello kitty sheets and walked over to her malibu barbie desk to draw what she thinks the world likes. I'm a gamer chick and pretty pink and sparkly flowers in an mmo isn't my cup of fake tea(Mr snuggles wuggles might think so though)
And I would never use hello kitty sheets, MLPonies all the way! from San Diego, CA
Well, that shows that some of the Dev's pay attention to this forum. I think that's a very good thing. Are they merely hearing, or are they listening, is the question I'd like to know.
Originally posted by arieste I just can't get over how stupid this very question is. What's next, she's going to say something like "Well, we're going to have gnomes and dwarves, but people don't REALLY want them to be short, do they? I mean, no one wants to play as a short stump, right? Let's have ourselves some tall, well-built and handsome gnomes."
QFT.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
I liked the art for the new Ogre, even though we haven't seen it in game yet. However, there are some herp derps in every society, so I would love to still see some fat/dumb oafs running around scratching their butts! EQN is supposed to be all about choices. Well, don't limit them then!
Originally posted by arieste I just can't get over how stupid this very question is. What's next, she's going to say something like "Well, we're going to have gnomes and dwarves, but people don't REALLY want them to be short, do they? I mean, no one wants to play as a short stump, right? Let's have ourselves some tall, well-built and handsome gnomes."
"I have to agree with her. Sure it's nice to be able to make a fat, blundering, oaf, of a character but it's a niche want in an age where most players are far more casual and need to look cool to feel invested."
Well, i dont think that a player that want to look cool, will choose an ogre or a troll.
Hovether devs always say that this game will give to all players the possibility to play the character they want...ok i want to be a fat and ugly ogre.
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it" -Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.
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This would obviously be by far the coolest solution, however I don't know how feasible it is in a large scale mmorpg due to the amount of diffrent armor models etc.
I realise Rosie did the original eq1 stuff, but to me it seems like shes been way to heavily influenced by this fluffywuffy trash generation of mmorpgs that we are desperatly trying to climb our way out of.
If nothing else this thread has made it perfectly clear that she is not nearly as correct as she thought about most people wanting "pretty" ogres and trolls.
At the very least the next round table poll should be about this.
If I wanted to play a metrosexual character id play a highelf or woodelf, not ogre or a troll.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
Seriously.
If I'm a warrior, SK, or pally spending all my time running around a huge world and swinging a massive sword or axe around at giants and monsters, and all while wearing a heavy suit of armor, it would stand to reason that I'm in fairly decent shape, even as an Ogre or Troll. I'd have to be just so I could get through the day without falling over dead from exhaustion. I'm frankly amazed that more humanoid warriors all don't look like Thor or like the Spartans in 300.
Likewise, if I'm a ranger or rogue that relies on bows and arrows or daggers and my wits, I'm going to abide by the first rule of Zombieland and be a cardio fiend, with just enough flexibility and stamina to survive.
Honestly, the only characters in a game that I could see being indolent and fat are wizards and mages, since they depend on their magic to fight their battles for them.
So $#*@ing true.
Rosie is ridiculously out of touch.
MANY think the Ogres wrongly look like Orcs.
Pshh...EQ2 Ogre > EQ1 Ogre ... >|
Agreed, though, that Ogres must be ugly.
QFT.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
sadly, we arent far from this
I want fat ogres and trolls as the old skins of EQ1.
People that like to play an ogre or a troll are not interested to be pretty and cute, they want to be MONSTERS.
I want to eat my enemy after i have kill it !!!!!
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it"
-Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.
to Crazy_Stick
"I have to agree with her. Sure it's nice to be able to make a fat, blundering, oaf, of a character but it's a niche want in an age where most players are far more casual and need to look cool to feel invested."
Well, i dont think that a player that want to look cool, will choose an ogre or a troll.
Hovether devs always say that this game will give to all players the possibility to play the character they want...ok i want to be a fat and ugly ogre.
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it"
-Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.