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NCsoft quarterly report is out... not looking good for gw2...
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Ok, so you just got done calling someone out for trying to "twist the numbers" when all they did was quote something from the exact earnings statement document you linked; then you casually shrug off that quote, which went against your agenda, and presented a completely fictitious hypothetical in order to speculate as to why we should be wary of a particular number that you didn't want to be right, again presumably because it went against your agenda.
So who's twisting exactly? You're not just following the numbers; you're bending them to your desired conclusion more than anyone else in here. It's so obvious that frankly you'd have to be oblivious yourself to think that nobody notices.
Actually numbers do lie,devs are famous for moving numbers around to different quarters.
What i don't understand is how they can do it because it would be a form of misleading and lying to escape on bonus clauses and mislead the investors and stocks.I guess there si a big difference from what the press gets and what the real people inside know.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
1) Guild Wars 2 isn't free to play. It's buy to play. Get your facts straight before you visit another game's forum and start flaming it - because your statements only make you look mentally inept as is.
2) Final Fantasy XIV already set a record for one of the most spectacularly embarassing MMO failures in history on its first launch. I wish them luck on their second attempt, but Square hasn't been a good developer for a long time.
3) Enjoy paying a subscription fee for no extra service, and then buying expansion packs for content that should have been covered by the subscription fee. I'll enjoy receiving every update for the price I paid for the box, with the option of paying more money IF I feel like it and IF I feel the developers deserve it - as a sub player, you don't have that choice, but I do, and I enjoy it.
I believe the Idiom goes something like: "Statistics don't lie, but you can lie using statistics"
Any piece of data can be distorted / manipulated in an attempt to use it to show something it doesn't. And unfortunately that happens far too often, apparently even on video game fan sites..
This...Ummm WoW for just shy of a decade.........
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
I am surprised, I wasn't expecting it to still be doing this well. 20% fall after a year for a game that is B2P and not P2P, relying on a non-invasive cash shop? That seems pretty outstanding to me. Just consider the turn over of other MMOs released in the past 8 years. With their business model a 20% drop after a year is far over-reaching my expectations for this game. I thought it would be deserted by now like most of the other MMOs recently released. If anything I thought it would be worse than other recently released games because the expectations for it were insane. Yet people are continuing to support it. Good for them.
P.S. You can look at my post history and see that I am not a fanboy or whatever they are being referred to as these days. I have no love for Guild Wars 2. I am genuinely surprised and happy for them. I may not like the game but it's clear that a lot of people disagree with me.
Aeander, if i were you i would quite while i was ahead.
why? because you're being reasonable and consistent. that doesn't fly too well on these forums lately.
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One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
People only say "Im playing and enjoying the game so I dont care one whit about your 'facts'" when the facts are bad.
Nothing really new though, when it come to something people like news doesnt matter when its bad but its the most important thing in the world when its good.
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There was a statement they made a while back about wishing to give expansion content for free through later living world updates. It can thus be assumed that the current living world is little more than minor experimentation and build-up towards later permanent content.
hopefully they make those living world stuff into permanent content, because I really don't like living world content at all.
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Well, they stated that more permanent content would be introduced through the living world. Were they being honest? Only time will tell.
WoW sales decrease after every expansion and rise again when a new one comes.
Are you saying that WoW has always rised in proftis? it peaked after a couple of years and expansions.
GW2 peaked in the first quarter.....
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
A buy-to-play game peaking in its first quarter? *Gasps* You don't say!
Well you never played GW2 then hahaha you get 5 bag slots not 2 you can get everything from playing the game including bank slots and bag slots or you can spend cash to get it faster and it really is not hard to earn enough gold to get diamonds to get those things. As for pay to play yeah you do get everything for the monthly fee untill they come out with and payed expansion then you pay $30 to $50 dollars extra not all games have free content in p2p games only one I knew of for a long time was EvE and Lineage 2 now I know alot more have but even FFXI had payed content in expansions.
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You guys realized you have now talked more about this more than everyone at Anet and NCSoft combined?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
So yo I feel the need to butt in here...
1.) You get more than 2 bag slots...5 to be exact. Your starter bag holds 20 slots. (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Inventory)
2.) GW2 Banks have special tabs for collectibles, and with recent patches more item types can be stored outside the base bank slots. Feel free to count the total number of slots a character has in his bank. (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Account_vault)
3.) There's even a separate storage for PvP gears (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pvp_locker). I personally wish there's a same storage for PvE armor sets though.
4.) In pay to play you still get the astronomically low drop rate for rare items. There's no difference in this regard. Mystic and Black Lion chest contents are random anyway. I've never been enough of a fool to buy a key to unlock them.
5.) As far as I can tell I can experience 100% of the game. The only thing I might be missing out on are the unique skins from the trade post. That doesn't me hurt one bit.
6.) The comment about the updates is done to death. In the end it'll boil down to "I don't like the update". I have been enjoying the updates without ever spending a dime.
On a final note, stop looking down on people who prefer F2P/B2P over P2P. You don't know any better, alright? I don't want to do the "you're just being scammed over subs" dance right here.
Non-invasive cash shop ?
Every single Living World event is built around new cash shop content.
Every single e-mail I get from ANet about GW2 is "Look what is new in the cash shop ! oh yea, there is some other stuff too ... look at the new cash shop stuff though!"
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
Oh goodness me, the sales have shockingly dropped for GW2 during the Spring and Summer quarter of the year. When everybody is at the beach and being active in the warm weather. This is just a shocking development, hold on while I contact all my friends and let them know this shocking news!
OP, Why do you think not many big titles release during the 2Q of a year? Well don't hurt yourself, I'll tell you, it's because EVERYBODY IS OUTSIDE! Seriously, this is a simple concept, warm weather brings a decrease in gamers playing games, as well as game sales (except for the oh so awesome steam summer sale).
"not looking good for gw2" because there is a routine drop in sales during warm months? I bet you have been watching those numbers every single Q just waiting for a drop in sales so you can make this thread.
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These numbers don't really mean much without a break down of pure cash shop revenue.
Because the number is including sale of copies for a buy to play game it's hard to accurately tell how we'll the game is going from these Figures.
Sale of actual copies is of course going to fall consistently from release until an expansion is released, what would be a better judge of success at this point would be a comparison of CS earnings on a quarterly basis.
if they are roughly the same then they haven't really lost current players so the game is doing fine, if they are falling in CS revenue as well then it's time to start getting worried. Without these numbers it's pretty hard to tell using the total revenue figures only 12 months from release.
i don't even play the game anymore so I'm not trying to say its a glorious success im just saying that a 20% decrease in revenue doesn't in this case guarantee the game is dying.
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20% drop is sales within a quarter not even one year to launch is not a good sign no matter how people try to spin it. If it goes down again another 20% next quarter and another 20% the next, it might be time for GW2 to look into the F2P model to bring in more players.
Because at the end of the day, ANet doesn't keep all the money they make. NCSoft takes most of it, and the less players there are the worst it becomes and it creates a snowball effect. People keep brining in GW2's payment model, that argument was valid 10 years ago, but in today's market most MMOs are F2P so it isn't valid anymore. B2P has more barrier to entry than F2P.