Lack of Tanks

Raass

Since the game in P4 had a lack of Tanks I was thinking to roll one when the game goes live.  But, my main is a Con and since I have not picked a Sub class, Can the sub class be the main or is it like only a few skills usable.  It's been years since I played FF games. Help!

SamuraiXIV

P4 was all about trying Arcainist so that's why. The way I see it this game is easy as pie to level solo so at level cap is when you need tanks, and most will have level all jobs at cap so it won't be an issue. You can switch back and forth to any job you like or need.

Keldor837

There is no true "Main" class beyond the one you tend to favor/play more. So if you change your mind and want to focus on a Marauder for example. Then just go change jobs and level that instead.

Torcip

While DPS will always be most populated, it was compounded several times by the fact that everyone wanted to try out the new class.

Keldor837

I also understand that there's an issue with getting tanks since the gladiator is rather boring to level (or so i have read, I haven't played myself so please feel free to correct me as you see fit) as a tank and the Marauder is hard to tank early on since they don't have the same level of mitigation and don't have the gear/stats to offset it while leveling.

Nanfoodle

Warrior and Paladin are the tanks. Gladiator to be a paladin and Marauder to be a warrior. You can use your char from phase 4 and just pick what class you want that unlocks the job you want. Paladin is the easier tank to learn from what I read but both will have lots of love in teams. 

Arskaaa

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Warrior and Paladin are the tanks. Gladiator to be a paladin and Marauder to be a warrior. You can use your char from phase 4 and just pick what class you want that unlocks the job you want. Paladin is the easier tank to learn from what I read but both will have lots of love in teams. 

huh? i though warrior is dps. so there is not 2hand axe/sword/mace user dps then at all? :S

bobfish

Cross-class skills and experience bonus will make leveling the "boring" classes easier for people.

wormed

Originally posted by Arskaaa

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Warrior and Paladin are the tanks. Gladiator to be a paladin and Marauder to be a warrior. You can use your char from phase 4 and just pick what class you want that unlocks the job you want. Paladin is the easier tank to learn from what I read but both will have lots of love in teams. 

huh? i though warrior is dps. so there is not 2hand axe/sword/mace user dps then at all? :S

Warrior is considered a tank class. I leveled Gladiator to 15 or 16 and I didn't feel it was boring, to the person who posted above. But I like melee a lot.

Mr.Zeroone

Originally posted by Arskaaa

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Warrior and Paladin are the tanks. Gladiator to be a paladin and Marauder to be a warrior. You can use your char from phase 4 and just pick what class you want that unlocks the job you want. Paladin is the easier tank to learn from what I read but both will have lots of love in teams. 

huh? i though warrior is dps. so there is not 2hand axe/sword/mace user dps then at all? :S

Maruder / Warrior is a tanking class from the begining. Offencive, as opposed to GLD which is defensive. I've lvled up my GLD to 19 and now he has additionally 2 shield skills - fight wasn't boring.

bobfish

Originally posted by Arskaaa

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Warrior and Paladin are the tanks. Gladiator to be a paladin and Marauder to be a warrior. You can use your char from phase 4 and just pick what class you want that unlocks the job you want. Paladin is the easier tank to learn from what I read but both will have lots of love in teams. 

huh? i though warrior is dps. so there is not 2hand axe/sword/mace user dps then at all? :S

Lancer -> Dragoon is the 2hander DPS

Pugilist -> Monk is the dual wielding DPS

Archer -> Bard is the ranged weapon DPS

Thaumaturge -> Black Mage is the ranged magic DPS

Arcanist -> Summoner is the ranged pet DPS

Conjurer - White Mage is healer

Arcanist -> Scholar is healer (with pet)

Gladiator -> Paladin is mitigation tank

Marauder -> Warrior is hp tank

blazeicer

Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
P4 was all about trying Arcainist so that's why. The way I see it this game is easy as pie to level solo so at level cap is when you need tanks, and most will have level all jobs at cap so it won't be an issue. You can switch back and forth to any job you like or need.

You wont be able to switch to any "job" you like or need, however you will be able to switch to a different "Class" if you need too. Remember Jobs are the Advanced option of a  "class". Once you pick your "Job" you can only pick "classes" that have skills that you can use. So choose your "Job" carefully

vidiotking

Originally posted by blazeicer

Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
P4 was all about trying Arcainist so that's why. The way I see it this game is easy as pie to level solo so at level cap is when you need tanks, and most will have level all jobs at cap so it won't be an issue. You can switch back and forth to any job you like or need.

You wont be able to switch to any "job" you like or need, however you will be able to switch to a different "Class" if you need too. Remember Jobs are the Advanced option of a  "class". Once you pick your "Job" you can only pick "classes" that have skills that you can use. So choose your "Job" carefully

Is this true?! I thought you could be every class/job?

bobfish

Originally posted by blazeicer

Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
P4 was all about trying Arcainist so that's why. The way I see it this game is easy as pie to level solo so at level cap is when you need tanks, and most will have level all jobs at cap so it won't be an issue. You can switch back and forth to any job you like or need.

You wont be able to switch to any "job" you like or need, however you will be able to switch to a different "Class" if you need too. Remember Jobs are the Advanced option of a  "class". Once you pick your "Job" you can only pick "classes" that have skills that you can use. So choose your "Job" carefully

You can learn all Jobs just like you can learn all Classes.

 

When you are playing a Class, you can use any cross-class compatible skill with that Class.

When you are playing a Job, you can only use cross-class compatible skills from related Classes.

 

Example:

Archer can you use any cross-class compatible skill from any other Class.

Bard can only use cross-class compatible skills from Lancer and Pugilist.

 

But it is possible to learn all Classes and all Jobs and switch between them outside of combat at any time you want.

Torcip

Originally posted by blazeicer

Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
P4 was all about trying Arcainist so that's why. The way I see it this game is easy as pie to level solo so at level cap is when you need tanks, and most will have level all jobs at cap so it won't be an issue. You can switch back and forth to any job you like or need.

You wont be able to switch to any "job" you like or need, however you will be able to switch to a different "Class" if you need too. Remember Jobs are the Advanced option of a  "class". Once you pick your "Job" you can only pick "classes" that have skills that you can use. So choose your "Job" carefully

Jobs work just like classes, you just equip an item to become the job.

vidiotking

/phew! 

I thought you could switch jobs jobs just like classes. That previous post had me pretty worried.

Thanks for the reassurance.

Rupskul

Originally posted by vidiotking

/phew! 

I thought you could switch jobs jobs just like classes. That previous post had me pretty worried.

Thanks for the reassurance.

Don't worry.  You can play any/every class or job you want at any time.  The only limitation with jobs (Paladin, Bard, Smn, etc.) is the skills you can use from other classes.  For instance as an Archer, I can use skills from any class.  As a Bard (advanced Archer), I can only use skills from Conjurer and Lancer (and of course Archer). 

You also cannot use Job skills with other jobs.  So as an Archer, I couldn't choose to use White Mage skills or vice versa.

But as far as playing any job - you can do that.

Raass

Well I plan o trying a healer then Tank class.  So , can't wait til release to start this game.  Good reply's guys. 

 

 

gessekai332

don't forget that later in game the party size goes up to 8 instead of 4 and then there are raids... when that happens there will be dramatically more slots for dps roles per party.

Draemos

Originally posted by gessekai332
don't forget that later in game the party size goes up to 8 instead of 4 and then there are raids... when that happens there will be dramatically more slots for dps roles per party.

That's speculation.

Chances are an 8 man group will require 2 healers and 2 tanks, which still makes it a 1:1:2 ratio.

twrule

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by gessekai332
don't forget that later in game the party size goes up to 8 instead of 4 and then there are raids... when that happens there will be dramatically more slots for dps roles per party.

That's speculation.

Chances are an 8 man group will require 2 healers and 2 tanks, which still makes it a 1:1:2 ratio.

I think he just meant that there will be more slots for dps because the party size is larger, not that the proportions would favor them.

However, in 24 man raids you're probably going to bring 5-6 healers and 2-3 tanks, leaving you with at least 15 dps, so the proportions are very much in favor of DPS there.

time007

Originally posted by twrule

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by gessekai332
don't forget that later in game the party size goes up to 8 instead of 4 and then there are raids... when that happens there will be dramatically more slots for dps roles per party.

That's speculation.

Chances are an 8 man group will require 2 healers and 2 tanks, which still makes it a 1:1:2 ratio.

I think he just meant that there will be more slots for dps because the party size is larger, not that the proportions would favor them.

However, in 24 man raids you're probably going to bring 5-6 healers and 2-3 tanks, leaving you with at least 15 dps, so the proportions are very much in favor of DPS there.

Hah, I didn't think about the amount of dps slots vs tank slots in raids.  I don't roll tanks often so I'm going tank first, but I may go dragoon after marauder just to cover my bases.  Don't want to be left out hah.