I am tired of the poor quality game/experience that results from F2P and B2P
Too bad that a lot of p2p games are as bad if not worse than some f2p games. I voted yes, I will play TESO even if is p2p, the subscription model is not so important to me. The things which interest me more are informations about combat/animations, size of the world, if there is an open world or you get loading screens when change zones, if the armour/weapons will be available for all types of players in same quality, pvp info. The answers to those questions will decide if I play the game or not.F2P didn't make SWTOR more interesting to me. Anyway I am sure that people who want this game to be f2p will have their chance to play it, with so many choices available right now and the track record of some of the game developers (warhammer could have been a great game) sooner or later the game will relaunch as f2p since I doubt they will be able to recreate wow success.
Payment model would not really bother me. I don't know if I am going to play this game or not but having to pay a sub fee would not deter me from doing that as long as the game is good with plenty to do at the endgame. For me I am not sure I would like this game as it is going to be heavily focused on end game pvp but if that was my cup of tea I would not care about a sub fee. I understand there are some people that just cant afford to pay a small fee to play a game or don't view it as worthwhile for their money but really if you feel that way then go play some Chinese or Korean grinder free to play mmo and don't dish on other games that choose to have a sub fee.
To be frank, Guild Wars 2 is so good as a B2P game that any future MMOG will have to be absolute Dynamite for me to even consider paying to play it. I spent years in WoW paying a sub to sit around in cities waiting on a queue. I'll never do anything like that again and I'll probably never play another P2P MMOG again.
It isn't about the money, it's about the choice. GW2 gives me a AAA game that I can 'choose' to spend money on if I want cosmetic goodies. A P2P game that isn't as good (IMHO few games ever have been as good as GW2) that requires me to pay them to even access? No, never again unless that game is astoundingly good.
So I voted no. From what I have seen the game doesn't look that good but I'd have tried it if it were B2P or F2P. But I'm not paying $60 to demo a mediocre MMOG.
Sitting around waiting on a queue? There are tons of things to do in WoW while waiting for a queue. It sounds like a personal problem to me and not due to a fault in the game.
Oh, that reminds me. I have yard work to do this Saturday. If the grass has dew on it in the morning I'll just sit around and wait for it to dry. Sounds like a plan.
P2P is the only reason I will be playing the game. And, if I may, the F2p 'Freeloaders" greatly overestimate the power of their vote. $.0.50 a day is not now, nor has ever been, a deal breaker for me.
Originally posted by uidcaustic5 Yes, because I am not poor white trash.
You may want to be careful making statements like this. Your profile says you are from Georgia. Just sayin'
Oh right, I have exclusive rights to the handle grimgryphon. GG, posting someone else's information here. I just sent him a message letting him know. I'm sure he'll be pleased.
If its worth my time, hell yes. Good to know FFXIV, Wildstar and ESO are going P2P. Although honestly, in the case of ESO and especially Wildstar, I may wait it out a bit to make sure. Sick and tired of these MMOs all but abandoning their games and turning them into f2p grabage after we invest in them for months without a tiny bit of consideration to those that paid their bills from he start.
FFXIV is the only one with any real dedication to P2P. Theyre self published and fully developed in house so they can stick to their guns. Not sure about ESO but Wildstar is NCSoft... unless that game sells and keeps over a million, I see it f2p within a year.
I will see gameplay footage of the released version, review the facts about gemplay mechanics and if I find it suiting my tastes I will get it with whatever payment system it will have.
That is actually very sensible, Its the only logical way to proceed, because its your money, with all the news and coverage you can find online. There is no reason why once a game comes out that you won't be able to decide with a clear mind on whether or not this game is for you. Because by then, regardless of the payment model, you have already made up your mind.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
It's the best payment model, I tend to gravitate towards subscription base games. They hold my attention longer just because I find the communities better than F2P or B2P. If anything this will be one big reason I play it and because it is going to be a great game.
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Agree with Eleenb4, and I believe that those who pay a subscription are:
"more invested" Yea for the first 3 months before unsubbing
"more mature" Highly subjective - IMO it makes very little difference
and frankly a better class of committed player. Sorry but this is utter bull
I for one am ecstatic that games are going back to subscription based play.
How about...
- Bots screwing up the economy
- Hackers in a PvP game
- Chinese Goldspammers making global and regional chat unusable
- Squeakers in local
- Griefing with no retribution
- Hackers using many free accounts for money laundering
One of the biggest problems associated with F2P, not the only one perhaps but its something that does seem to be prevalent in a lot of F2P games. Not that P2P games don't have these things, its just that closing down said accounts involved in those activities involves real monetary loss, although it usually ends up with gold spammers etc, using hacked accounts, which goes onto the next subject, does the game have or intend to have authenticator tokens/apps to help prevent account theft? Its something i do use if its available, not because i can't protect my system (i can) but it also works as a deterrent against account theft in the first place. Personally i think every P2P game should have security systems in place that utilise authenticator tokens, its such a big thing these days, i just wish CCP would do the same for Eve.
Originally posted by BrooksTech P2P is the only reason I will be playing the game. And, if I may, the F2p 'Freeloaders" greatly overestimate the power of their vote. $.0.50 a day is not now, nor has ever been, a deal breaker for me.
This whole $0.50 a day thing is really stupid.
That is like saying a $1,000,000 house is cheap because it only costs $0.19 a minute if you plan to pay it off in 10 years.
If you don't get that example, what i mean is. No matter what you say, or how you say it, it still costs the same amount. It doesn't matter you take the monthly fee and divide into a daily cost. It still doesn't change the fact that it will cost over $200 the first year, which is a lot of a game. If you plan to play it for even longer, like 3 years, you are looking at about $550 for a single game.
This is of course assuming it remains P2P for 3 years. Those numbers are also based on if you are not playing on a console.
Anything sounds cheap when you divide into a lower number.
Then I also have to mention for the 5th or 6th time, no one really is saying anything about F2P. Most of us who have an issue with P2P wanted B2P with a minor cosmetic cash shop and DLC content now and then. Much like Guild Wars.
Just interested to see who is still going to play with this payment method.
*Edit* I guess I could have made this poll better with maybe or with more info. Say yes for maybe then, because I'm just seeing how many just got turned off by the idea of subscription based and know they aren't playing because of it.
Indeed for me also a maybe. Must admit due to it's sub-fee I am allot more interested in ESO. But in this time and age I do want to get a taste for what's ahead, meaning some form of open beta, trails or what ever to try the game before buying.
My interest has also grown towards Wildstar and Final Fantasy XIV:ARR, again mainly because they are going for the sub-fee model.
I have not tried the game yet but i do see some good things in the game,especially the class design.
If the game was any good,i wouldn't care about a sub fee,matter of fact, i would want it .Last thing i want in my games are a million rmt accounts all ruining my game for free.
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Originally posted by BrooksTech P2P is the only reason I will be playing the game. And, if I may, the F2p 'Freeloaders" greatly overestimate the power of their vote. $.0.50 a day is not now, nor has ever been, a deal breaker for me.
This whole $0.50 a day thing is really stupid.
That is like saying a $1,000,000 house is cheap because it only costs $0.19 a minute if you plan to pay it off in 10 years.
If you don't get that example, what i mean is. No matter what you say, or how you say it, it still costs the same amount. It doesn't matter you take the monthly fee and divide into a daily cost. It still doesn't change the fact that it will cost over $200 the first year, which is a lot of a game. If you plan to play it for even longer, like 3 years, you are looking at about $550 for a single game.
This is of course assuming it remains P2P for 3 years. Those numbers are also based on if you are not playing on a console.
Anything sounds cheap when you divide into a lower number.
Then I also have to mention for the 5th or 6th time, no one really is saying anything about F2P. Most of us who have an issue with P2P wanted B2P with a minor cosmetic cash shop and DLC content now and then. Much like Guild Wars.
If you want to go that route anything can be considered "A lot of money".
My gym membership was $468.00 per year, I spend from $480 to 720 (maybe more) per year just on "B movie night movies", I spend $382.00 per year on sesame snacks.
Life costs money, game companies need to make money and hopefully will "do right" by their customers. The only difference between p2p and f2p is "who" is ponying up that money and how much they are "ponying up".
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Originally posted by BrooksTech P2P is the only reason I will be playing the game. And, if I may, the F2p 'Freeloaders" greatly overestimate the power of their vote. $.0.50 a day is not now, nor has ever been, a deal breaker for me.
This whole $0.50 a day thing is really stupid.
That is like saying a $1,000,000 house is cheap because it only costs $0.19 a minute if you plan to pay it off in 10 years.
If you don't get that example, what i mean is. No matter what you say, or how you say it, it still costs the same amount. It doesn't matter you take the monthly fee and divide into a daily cost. It still doesn't change the fact that it will cost over $200 the first year, which is a lot of a game. If you plan to play it for even longer, like 3 years, you are looking at about $550 for a single game.
This is of course assuming it remains P2P for 3 years. Those numbers are also based on if you are not playing on a console.
Anything sounds cheap when you divide into a lower number.
Then I also have to mention for the 5th or 6th time, no one really is saying anything about F2P. Most of us who have an issue with P2P wanted B2P with a minor cosmetic cash shop and DLC content now and then. Much like Guild Wars.
If you want to go that route anything can be considered "A lot of money".
My gym membership was $468.00 per year, I spend from $480 to 720 (maybe more) per year just on "B movie night movies", I spend $382.00 per year on sesame snacks.
Life costs money, game companies need to make money and hopefully will "do right" by their customers. The only difference between p2p and f2p is "who" is ponying up that money and how much they are "ponying up".
Right, understandable, however in order to say something is expensive or is a lot of money, the comparison has to be made to the same type of thing. Also by what a particular thing is worth to that person.
Remember, I am not the one who was making such dumb claims by saying it's only $0.50 per day. My example is just to show you how stupid it is. It is stupid in both ways.
Just as you can make anything look cheap, you can make anything look expensive.
So what is and what isn't expensive is decided by each person independently on their own.
Just keep in mind ,you pretty much are agreeing with me, by disagreeing with what I did. That was the point I was making. Multiplying or dividing the cost to make it look expensive or cheaper is equally stupid.
Also, you mention F2P AGAIN right after I made a statement on that. ... Why are you mentioning F2P .. when we are talking about B2P?
The single player versions were great, except for Obilvion. I was more keen on getting a copy of WildStar, but after reading what they are trying to "How to milk the cow beyond limits".. it completely vanished from my radar. With TESO you have at least the Lore to back it up, to some extent. I think many are going to try it out and have fun (while it last).
If i wanted to raid, i could go back and do that in Lotro which has prolly the best F2P Model out there. And then we have Everquest Next, which to me seems the real new game changer in this biziniz... so i think, i´m going to pass on TESO.
Judging the videos, it looked great. But paying 15 bucks a month for having an EGO Expierence is not worth it. Havent heard anything about their PVP implementations, so this might be their last remaing ace card.
Also how is this going to work on the PS4 with the PS+ requirement ?.. 15+ 4 PS4 ~20$ per month if you are single, 30 (PC) 40 on the PS4 if more than 2 are playing in the same household.
Sub fee is not a big deal, I want to see some beta footage on how world pvp, crafting and the difference between pvp and pve gear, perhaps player housing if they have it. The combat looks good at first glance but I do not want it to be too simple. Two things I learned playing GW2 limited skills are not such a big deal, limited options in those limited slots however are. Also the intangibles, crafting, pvp, exploration, pve, gear and loot have to have some importance.
What are the trade skills if any, people may not like it but you will have to keep the uncle Owens happy and useful not all of us play one way. I typically like some crafting, exploration and world pvp stalking myself and I could enjoy none of those things in GW2. It cant just be Group finder pve with ten man pvp rooms.
I hear there will not be an AH which isnt so bad, I just hope we can set up npc vendors so we can log off, I have played in games where you have to stay afk all day to sell, thats not fun.
I do like that there seems to be some actual range in the combat so we can see some actual snipe tactics for once.
Alot of the new MMOs are going to be subscription based it seems
FFXIV
Wildstar
and now ESO
Did ya'll care to read the article on here about P2P and F2P? I recommend it as it was very insightful and educational...most interesting indeed.
I will most likely play it, cuz anyway you look at it you paying. If its time, energy, cash shop, micro transactions, etc...they get ya one way or another these days anyways so why not just see it for what it is and get over it and ourselves as we are all in this together and until we realize this much moreso then how the weather is going to be or whats goin on with twitter or your smartphone, etc...
Better off keepin a positive attitude and enjoying the moment for what it is as there are no ordinary moments folks
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I just want to play good games.
The payment model isn't something I really consider when it comes to whether a game is good/bad
The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)
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Too bad that a lot of p2p games are as bad if not worse than some f2p games.
I voted yes, I will play TESO even if is p2p, the subscription model is not so important to me. The things which interest me more are informations about combat/animations, size of the world, if there is an open world or you get loading screens when change zones, if the armour/weapons will be available for all types of players in same quality, pvp info. The answers to those questions will decide if I play the game or not.F2P didn't make SWTOR more interesting to me.
Anyway I am sure that people who want this game to be f2p will have their chance to play it, with so many choices available right now and the track record of some of the game developers (warhammer could have been a great game) sooner or later the game will relaunch as f2p since I doubt they will be able to recreate wow success.
Now more than ever.
I truly embrace the "return" of subscription models, with all the ridiculous nickle and diming becoming the prevalent business model.
Sitting around waiting on a queue? There are tons of things to do in WoW while waiting for a queue. It sounds like a personal problem to me and not due to a fault in the game.
Oh, that reminds me. I have yard work to do this Saturday. If the grass has dew on it in the morning I'll just sit around and wait for it to dry. Sounds like a plan.
You may want to be careful making statements like this. Your profile says you are from Georgia. Just sayin'
Oh right, I have exclusive rights to the handle grimgryphon.
GG, posting someone else's information here. I just sent him a message letting him know. I'm sure he'll be pleased.
FFXIV is the only one with any real dedication to P2P. Theyre self published and fully developed in house so they can stick to their guns. Not sure about ESO but Wildstar is NCSoft... unless that game sells and keeps over a million, I see it f2p within a year.
That is actually very sensible, Its the only logical way to proceed, because its your money, with all the news and coverage you can find online. There is no reason why once a game comes out that you won't be able to decide with a clear mind on whether or not this game is for you. Because by then, regardless of the payment model, you have already made up your mind.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
How about...
- Bots screwing up the economy
- Hackers in a PvP game
- Chinese Goldspammers making global and regional chat unusable
- Squeakers in local
- Griefing with no retribution
- Hackers using many free accounts for money laundering
The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)
-The MMO Forum Community
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One of the biggest problems associated with F2P, not the only one perhaps but its something that does seem to be prevalent in a lot of F2P games. Not that P2P games don't have these things, its just that closing down said accounts involved in those activities involves real monetary loss, although it usually ends up with gold spammers etc, using hacked accounts, which goes onto the next subject, does the game have or intend to have authenticator tokens/apps to help prevent account theft? Its something i do use if its available, not because i can't protect my system (i can) but it also works as a deterrent against account theft in the first place. Personally i think every P2P game should have security systems in place that utilise authenticator tokens, its such a big thing these days, i just wish CCP would do the same for Eve.
This whole $0.50 a day thing is really stupid.
That is like saying a $1,000,000 house is cheap because it only costs $0.19 a minute if you plan to pay it off in 10 years.
If you don't get that example, what i mean is. No matter what you say, or how you say it, it still costs the same amount. It doesn't matter you take the monthly fee and divide into a daily cost. It still doesn't change the fact that it will cost over $200 the first year, which is a lot of a game. If you plan to play it for even longer, like 3 years, you are looking at about $550 for a single game.
This is of course assuming it remains P2P for 3 years. Those numbers are also based on if you are not playing on a console.
Anything sounds cheap when you divide into a lower number.
Then I also have to mention for the 5th or 6th time, no one really is saying anything about F2P. Most of us who have an issue with P2P wanted B2P with a minor cosmetic cash shop and DLC content now and then. Much like Guild Wars.
I'll decide after Open Beta.
The payment model is largely irrelevant, the only exception to that is if they go with a Cash Shop that irritates me. In that case I won't play it.
Indeed for me also a maybe. Must admit due to it's sub-fee I am allot more interested in ESO. But in this time and age I do want to get a taste for what's ahead, meaning some form of open beta, trails or what ever to try the game before buying.
My interest has also grown towards Wildstar and Final Fantasy XIV:ARR, again mainly because they are going for the sub-fee model.
I have not tried the game yet but i do see some good things in the game,especially the class design.
If the game was any good,i wouldn't care about a sub fee,matter of fact, i would want it .Last thing i want in my games are a million rmt accounts all ruining my game for free.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If you want to go that route anything can be considered "A lot of money".
My gym membership was $468.00 per year, I spend from $480 to 720 (maybe more) per year just on "B movie night movies", I spend $382.00 per year on sesame snacks.
Life costs money, game companies need to make money and hopefully will "do right" by their customers. The only difference between p2p and f2p is "who" is ponying up that money and how much they are "ponying up".
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Right, understandable, however in order to say something is expensive or is a lot of money, the comparison has to be made to the same type of thing. Also by what a particular thing is worth to that person.
Remember, I am not the one who was making such dumb claims by saying it's only $0.50 per day. My example is just to show you how stupid it is. It is stupid in both ways.
Just as you can make anything look cheap, you can make anything look expensive.
So what is and what isn't expensive is decided by each person independently on their own.
Just keep in mind ,you pretty much are agreeing with me, by disagreeing with what I did. That was the point I was making. Multiplying or dividing the cost to make it look expensive or cheaper is equally stupid.
Also, you mention F2P AGAIN right after I made a statement on that. ... Why are you mentioning F2P .. when we are talking about B2P?
AGAIN, no one is saying we want F2P. -.-
I feel like a broken record.
The single player versions were great, except for Obilvion. I was more keen on getting a copy of WildStar, but after reading what they are trying to "How to milk the cow beyond limits".. it completely vanished from my radar. With TESO you have at least the Lore to back it up, to some extent. I think many are going to try it out and have fun (while it last).
If i wanted to raid, i could go back and do that in Lotro which has prolly the best F2P Model out there. And then we have Everquest Next, which to me seems the real new game changer in this biziniz... so i think, i´m going to pass on TESO.
Judging the videos, it looked great. But paying 15 bucks a month for having an EGO Expierence is not worth it. Havent heard anything about their PVP implementations, so this might be their last remaing ace card.
Also how is this going to work on the PS4 with the PS+ requirement ?.. 15+ 4 PS4 ~20$ per month if you are single, 30 (PC) 40 on the PS4 if more than 2 are playing in the same household.
Anyways, have my eye set on :
-Everquest next landmark and EQN
-Black Desert
Sub fee is not a big deal, I want to see some beta footage on how world pvp, crafting and the difference between pvp and pve gear, perhaps player housing if they have it. The combat looks good at first glance but I do not want it to be too simple. Two things I learned playing GW2 limited skills are not such a big deal, limited options in those limited slots however are. Also the intangibles, crafting, pvp, exploration, pve, gear and loot have to have some importance.
What are the trade skills if any, people may not like it but you will have to keep the uncle Owens happy and useful not all of us play one way. I typically like some crafting, exploration and world pvp stalking myself and I could enjoy none of those things in GW2. It cant just be Group finder pve with ten man pvp rooms.
I hear there will not be an AH which isnt so bad, I just hope we can set up npc vendors so we can log off, I have played in games where you have to stay afk all day to sell, thats not fun.
I do like that there seems to be some actual range in the combat so we can see some actual snipe tactics for once.
Alot of the new MMOs are going to be subscription based it seems
FFXIV
Wildstar
and now ESO
Did ya'll care to read the article on here about P2P and F2P? I recommend it as it was very insightful and educational...most interesting indeed.
I will most likely play it, cuz anyway you look at it you paying. If its time, energy, cash shop, micro transactions, etc...they get ya one way or another these days anyways so why not just see it for what it is and get over it and ourselves as we are all in this together and until we realize this much moreso then how the weather is going to be or whats goin on with twitter or your smartphone, etc...
Better off keepin a positive attitude and enjoying the moment for what it is as there are no ordinary moments folks