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Blizzard: 'makes sense' for World of Warcraft to go free-to-play

nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775

http://www.shacknews.com/article/80847/blizzard-makes-sense-for-world-of-warcraft-to-go-free

"For Blizzard it makes sense [to go free-to-play] at some point," Chilton told Polygon. "But a lot of the risk is in making that transition. You hear stories about developers going free-to-play and getting double the number of players, but you don't always know it works out that way and how long it stays that way."

"The fear may be warranted, but the switch to free-to-play has benefited a number of games. Revenue in Star Wars: The Old Republic doubled after the F2P switch, while DC Universe Online went up sevenfold."

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  • STYNKFYSTSTYNKFYST Member Posts: 290

    From all the hate about subs...I thought WoW was already F2P

     

    The players sure make it seem like it in their posts

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722

    of course a F2P conversion make sense to them. They are not stupid. It makes sense for every subscription mmorpg to go free to play at some point. The key word (or key phrase) there was "at some point". That doesnt mean its going free to play soon when it is still the biggest and most popular subscription-only mmorpg in the market. That will happen when the population (like many people have already said here) decreases enough that Blizzard consider it necessary to change models.





  • WylfWylf Member UncommonPosts: 376
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    Subs with a cs you mean. And it makes sense to launcj with subs to get the hundreds of thousands to millions of people buying. Ftp does not have that initial capital. We'll see if they stay tgat way in a year when the hype is gone
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Yeah because it's not like we've ever seen an mmo launch p2p and then go f2p within a year or anything....

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    P2p at launch f2p later to get a second oush seems to generate a crapload of money for the company
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • caremuchlesscaremuchless Member Posts: 603
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Yeah because it's not like we've ever seen an mmo launch p2p and then go f2p within a year or anything....

    Say what? What does that have to do with what's quoted....

     

     

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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077
    Originally posted by STYNKFYST

    From all the hate about subs...I thought WoW was already F2P

     

    The players sure make it seem like it in their posts

     

    WoW won't go F2P, as Blizzard even said so. It wasn't designed to be.

     

    They'll add a cash shop. But their business model for WoW isn't F2P. Can't sustain a company that large on buying boxes for development costs, then hope and pray folks continue to buy trinkets to maintain the game.

     

    F2P games have little content to offer. Patches are iffy. Game bugs remain as it's not cost effective to constantly patch to correct them.

     

    Folks used to playing crack games don't understand quality it seems.

  • WylfWylf Member UncommonPosts: 376
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Yeah because it's not like we've ever seen an mmo launch p2p and then go f2p within a year or anything....

    WoW is nine years old! That is frankly an amazing run at the top, and yet it still has more paying subscriptions/players than many if not all  games that are so called F2P. In no way am I claiming Wow is perfect, or the end all be all of games, but the idea that now is the time for it to switch to F2P is ludicrous.   Well at least that is IMHO.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    Modern ftp games have just as much content patches bug fixes, cs as p2p games
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Three MMOS are several now? out which one isn't even a pure sub model since it offers CREDDS and we don't even have full detail of ESO.

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Three MMOS are several now? out which one isn't even a pure sub model since it offers CREDDS and we don't even have full detail of ESO.

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.

     

    How does anyone know? Crystal balls being handed out now?

     

    Only thing players can tell in the next 3 years is some P2P will remain, many more F2P games will die.

  • meadmoonmeadmoon Member UncommonPosts: 1,344
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Three MMOS are several now? out which one isn't even a pure sub model since it offers CREDDS and we don't even have full detail of ESO.

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.

    That's what 'several' means. More than two but not many. The dictionary is an amazing tool.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Originally posted by UNATCOII
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Three MMOS are several now? out which one isn't even a pure sub model since it offers CREDDS and we don't even have full detail of ESO.

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.

     

    How does anyone know? Crystal balls being handed out now?

     

    Only thing players can tell in the next 3 years is some P2P will remain, many more F2P games will die.

    What has my comment got anything do with crystal ball? Two MMOS with sub models doesn't mean several MMOS. I know people love to take liberties when it comes to English but do not over do it.

    FFXIV is the only pure sub model releasing soon. Even ESO decided to double dip players with sub + cash shop (just read the news). Don't be surprised if 6 months or 1 year down the lane it also joins the rest of the F2P MMOS.

    You don't need a crystal ball to see something like that happening. So what i see happening is that F2P increasing further in numbers thanks to game companies like Zenimax who keep over estimating themselves and under estimating their customers.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785

    It also make sense for me o buy a fleet of lamborghinis at some point, that point being when I win the lottery a couple times.

    Talk about a non statement by blizzard. Yeah, we'll do that at some point . . .  In the next decade.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Three MMOS are several now? out which one isn't even a pure sub model since it offers CREDDS and we don't even have full detail of ESO.

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.

    That's what 'several' means. More than two but not many. The dictionary is an amazing tool.

    So is reading. I clearly mentioned that ESO (sub + cash shop) and FFXIV are the only two MMOS to follow sub model. I don't consider Wildstar to be in same category because they offer Credds for those who don't want to opt for monthly sub. Big difference there.

    So yes it is still two..not three or several. If Wildstar is sub model then lets start counting every MMO like EQ2, EVE and SWTOR which gives sub as an option.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • RydesonRydeson Member UncommonPosts: 3,852
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Nonsense.  Since several MMO's that are coming out are going back to subscriptions, coupled with the fact that like it or not WoW is still the reigning champion of all MMO's with 7 million plus subscribers, it does not appear that now is the time for Wow to go F2P.

    Not to nit pick.. but wanted to clarify some things with those numbers.. You are aware that approx 4-5 million of those 7+ million accounts are NOT subscription..  They are pay as you go accounts..  As I recall reading, only the NA and EU market is subscriptions based.. Which is the biggest reason for the drop in WoW numbers..  The NA and EU market IS the WoW cash cow, not the Chinese market..  That is damn near F2P in their eyes.. LOL

    Anways.. As one gent said already, WoW will make the switch when their accountants feel their is more money to be had via cash shop versus subscriptions..  Currently that hasn't happened, and I doubt WoW will make that switch as long as long as their NA an EU market is over 1 million strong..  Keep in mind it is the Chinese Govt that TELLS Blizzard how to do business and what they are allowed to charge in China.. 

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    You can already play WoW up to level 20 for 100% free, nariu... that should be way enough for someone who never sticks to the same game for a long time like you ;-)

    L20 takes only a day or two, i think (something like less than 10 hours). It is still short for me. Something like a 30 hour game (Marvel Heroes) is pretty good. You have some progression. And finish main content in a decent amount of time.

    It is moot though since i have already played WOW for a long time and quit.

    Note that sometimes i do play longer if the game is fun for a longer time (like D3). I just don't need it to be long to enjoy it. And yes, 10 hour probably is a bit short, but if i am fresh to wow, and find it fun, certainly there is no reason not to take advantage of it.

     

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077


    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    What has my comment got anything do with crystal ball? Two MMOS with sub models doesn't mean several MMOS.



    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.



    Got a crystal ball that can predict that future so surely?

  • SagasaintSagasaint Member UncommonPosts: 466
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
     I don't consider Wildstar to be in same category because they offer Credds for those who don't want to opt for monthly sub. Big difference there.

    much smaller than you may think. it certainly didnt make any difference for TERA e.x.

    its just a sales pitch, trying to lure those who are on the fence, wondering if the game is worth the sub.

    devs are shaking a nice carrot in front of their noses  "hey look, you dont have to pay for long if you dont want to", and by the time they found out that wont work as well as they thought it would, the devs will have cashed in a pretty penny with their box and several monthly subs, which they didnt want to spend, to start with.

     

    but you are free to find that out for yourself, of course...

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by UNATCOII

     


    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

     

    What has my comment got anything do with crystal ball? Two MMOS with sub models doesn't mean several MMOS.


     

     


    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

     

    I know you want to beat your chest and show it to all that P2P is making a huge comeback but trust me it is not now.


     


    Got a crystal ball that can predict that future so surely?

    No one can predict the future perfectly, but history is often good indicator of future. So when a majority of sub-only MMOs are turning F2P, and most new MMOs are F2P, the tea-leaves are not hard to read.

     

  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077


    Originally posted by Rydeson

    As I recall reading, only the NA and EU market is subscriptions based.. Which is the biggest reason for the drop in WoW numbers..


     


    Biggest reason is make an Asian theme MMO then try to sell it to the Asian market.


    Told Blizzard it wouldn't sell and for what reasons. They don't listen but of that grandiose delusions, and millions of dollars later and fewer players, they're still in those delusions.


    So expect 6.6 million subs by summer of next year.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    You can already play WoW up to level 20 for 100% free, nariu... that should be way enough for someone who never sticks to the same game for a long time like you ;-)

    L20 takes only a day or two, i think (something like less than 10 hours). It is still short for me. Something like a 30 hour game (Marvel Heroes) is pretty good. You have some progression. And finish main content in a decent amount of time.

    Level all classes to 20, and max out their gear through dungeons and PvP. There you go, you have your 30+ hours. You can now hop to the next game you want to leech.

    Not a bad idea if i have not played WOW although i probably won't level all classes to 20 because you have to repeat content too much.

    Just like Marvel Heroes. 30 hours to finish the story content on one hero. I may do it for another hero if i really like it. I will never do it 10 times, even when it is free.

    Remember i need to have fun. Oh, and i usually don't pvp (except a bit of PS2). Otherwise, i will just play f2p pvp instanced game like WoT (not that i have not tried it for 15 min).

  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,022
    Can you imagine what a full blown WoW cash shop would be like?.......The stuff they could put in there would be insane.....They make a ton of money off subs but i dont think they'd lose much (if any) if they went f2p.....Also if they go f2p in NA/EU they still have internet cafes in Asia where they make a killing too.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Theocritus
    Can you imagine what a full blown WoW cash shop would be like?.......The stuff they could put in there would be insane.....They make a ton of money off subs but i dont think they'd lose much (if any) if they went f2p.....Also if they go f2p in NA/EU they still have internet cafes in Asia where they make a killing too.

    Yeah .. didn't they sell millions of the sparkling pony when it first came out?

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