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This how much more fun and rewarding combat experience Wildstar would be without Telegraphs
ElRenmazuo
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And also proves that you dont need big red dots to anticipate boss attacks and be completely easy to have a successful game.
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Looks great for single player.
But again single player not MMO, so you can't really compare the two.
This is how much more fun it would be, if you paid attention to the game that you are posting about.
They have said many times that you can turn them off, and/or adjust the coloring.
Turning off telegraphs being fun would depend a lot of how the rest of the mob's behavior is setup. If a fight is scripted, then it would be possible to learn the script, and without telegraphs beat the mob. If the mob itself has some physical behavior that players can learn, then they can react and beat the mob. However, if the mob's behavior is pretty random, and there's no indication, physical or otherwise of what the mob is doing, then the players are just randomly getting blind sided. Beating the mob would have less to do with the time spent working on it and the effort spent 'learning' the mob, and more to do with just random dice rolls. Personally, I'm not a fan of just randomly winning stuff.
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If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
Woah woah woah... Now hang on a minute.. Are red circles required for moves to be concidered telegraphed? Looked to me like the boss in the video was telegraphing plently with weapon windups and lifting his leg before doing that shockwave-leap move. The windups were so damn long that it looked stupid when the boss charged off in the opposite direction, because the player had so long to move around behind.
In the game from the video you didnt really need a target indicator since you were the target. That is a bit different in MMOs. You can't always tell who the monster is going to hit. That said though I hate the stupid red circles too.
Rewarding? Try none as no one would be able to legitimately beat any boss due to the complexity of WS's telegraphing. This is no "don't stand in the red circle" but rather a whole nother mechanic to the combat... at least that is what it feels like.
Wiping and wiping and wiping and wiping.... followed by more wiping is NOT fun.
I would rather have a very complex telegraphing system of red shapes than an equally telling system that only has neanderthall combat moves.
The game's mobs have physical movements prior to telegraphs. If you kill a couple versions of the same mob, you'll be able to spot their telegraph moves.
Not all attacks are telegraphs, the enemies also have a version of auto-attacks that nearly always hit you - mainly depending on melee vs. range.
supposedly was announced at pax that you could turn it off
http://www.wildstarforums.com/forums/wildstar-discussions/general-discussion/41849-telegraph-opacity
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Looks great! Now post a link showing us the warplots, pvp towers, battle grounds, arenas, epic housing, dungeons, world events, character progression, endgame raid dungeons, endgame solo content and crafting.
Bottom line is that unless you played this, which I am pretty sure you haven't, please don't knock it until you try it. It is actually a very good game as is.
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The combat isn't really like other action combat and feels seriously lacking when it comes to that feeling of being involved. Combat seemed to have a lot more in common with wow's combat than it does with say TERA or gw2.
Sure you have to get out of the red circles, but it never really felt like there was a lot of "action" to it. It was more like...walk out of the red zones and then activate more hot bar skills of your own till you see red again.
Try reading boss movements, when mages spam fireballs and lighting strikes on him. You need to see him first before you can read anything. So you have a game, where monsters have special attacks that are indicated with special movement, but have such impressive and advanced visuals, that obscure the monsters animation even in small group of players. How would you solve that problem. I have a great idea, they should make telegraphs...wait...
Not all attacks are telegraphs, the enemies also have a version of auto-attacks that nearly always hit you - mainly depending on melee vs. range.
That being the case, it would just be a personal preference. Turn them off for more challenge, keep them on to see what's going on. Even keep them on for the first couple of fights, and then turn them off.
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shhhhh.... you are making too much sense. I hear you get banned for that.
I really don't get what the big deal is about being able to visually see where an AoE is hitting. I find it to be rather better than traditional MMOs where you're just supposed to know distance and gtfo.
TSW had action combat and telegraphs and it had some of the most fun, challenging and rewarding group encounters I've ever played through.
An example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sfjLyDFVUk
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+1 agreed. Everyone is bitching about telegraphs, but every single game that we play has some sort of telegraph. Just because Wildstar uses visual cues over voice, text, or attack patterns doesn't mean anything. If anything it means that they have an opportunity to deviate from the lather, rinse, repeat monotony present in nearly every single MMO (or even every game) on the market. Random attacks, random AoE damage areas, more intelligent mobs, what's wrong with that? If they stick to what they've said from the beginning and make Wildstar an extremely difficult MMO, chances are that you will need the telegraphs to be successful because, otherwise, you never know where an attack is going to hit, who it will hit, etc. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
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I'm going to love the "I keep getting kicked from instance grioups because I keep dying inside telegraphs" threads when this game launches. Sure turn them off if you want too, but when your fighting a end boss and you keep standing still rather then move (like your playing that new Final fantasy) that is on you.
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Have you ever tried to read a mobs animation telegraphs (yea they are still telegraphing) with 24 people stacked on top of it? I have and what ends up happening is people either ignore it or someone has to call out in voice when it happens or everyone misses it.
Animation telegraphs end up making group content a cluster unless the mobs are SO much larger and the animations are so much more over the top that players can see them. I like them in single player games but where I have seen them used in MMO's I generally hate them.
Not that I love red circles on the ground but it is a much more practical system for multiplayer content. One of my main concerns about Wildstar is circle overload in 40 man groups. If you are seeing mob red telegraphs plus beneficial blue player telegraphs from 40 people all fighting the same boss won't that become a bit confusing exactly what is going on?
This video sum it up pretty well i say.
When he jumps, you can see his shadow to see when he is about to fall on you. He is a giant golem so it's logic.
Other than that, you can see all his skims before they hit even if it's your first time.
An harder version of this boss would give you a very shorter time notice and it would either be nearly impossible or you would have to dodge very precisely.
In conclusion, we don't need a telegraph system that wildstar use coz most games cameout with better ways to predict each enemies in a unique way for every single enemies type in a game.
Telegraph should only be used for ongoing area of effects like a rain of fire or around a totem of heal.
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