They dont lack morality ,theres so deep shit that could be shown but know what they dont show it,for a reason.
+ Do they actually show real rape videos on tv in your country ?
No they don't and that's because it's "public space" and that wouldn't be appropriate.
and if you mean "real rape" as in actual people getting raped then that's not only abhorrent but also illegal.
But people don't get prosecuted/arrested for showing movies depicting rape as long as it's in a private space.
That's the difference that people need to understand.
Point is that there is lines that should not be crossed.
Ok that's great. What are those lines?
Answer the question I asked foomerang. Because by playing violent video games with alchol and drugs and sexuality you are crossing those lines.
To my mind the lines that shouldn't be cross are forcing this stuff into people's faces without allowing them to remove themselves from it.
Meaning let their be sites, books, movies, you name the venue that has this stuff and allow people the chance not to patronize it.
And if someone makes a rape joke in general public then he/she should know better. If it's their own venue then people should have the right to not go there or allowed to speak out against them. That's fine. But that's the choice of the person who is disseminating the content. They risk losing people going to/patronizing their venue.
Once again freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not" allowing people to say what they want to say in their own homes (or spaces) as long as it fits into your definition of what can be said".
That's why freedom of speech is so scary. It means that we all are protected for saying what we want to say "in our own "homes". Sometimes that's stuff that goes against who we are.
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They dont lack morality ,theres so deep shit that could be shown but know what they dont show it,for a reason.
+ Do they actually show real rape videos on tv in your country ?
No they don't and that's because it's "public space" and that wouldn't be appropriate.
and if you mean "real rape" as in actual people getting raped then that's not only abhorrent but also illegal.
But people don't get prosecuted/arrested for showing movies depicting rape as long as it's in a private space.
That's the difference that people need to understand.
Point is that there is lines that should not be crossed.
Ok that's great. What are those lines?
Answer the question I asked foomerang. Because by playing violent video games with alchol and drugs and sexuality you are crossing those lines.
To my mind the lines that shouldn't be cross are forcing this stuff into people's faces without allowing them to remove themselves from it.
Meaning let their be sites, books, movies, you name the venue that has this stuff and allow people the chance not to patronize it.
And if someone makes a rape joke in general public then he/she should know better. If it's their own venue then people should have the right to not go there or allowed to speak out against them. That's fine. But that's the choice of the person who is disseminating the content. They risk losing people going to/patronizing their venue.
Once again freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not allowing people to say what they want to say in their own homes (or spaces) as long as it fits into your defnition of what can be said.
that's why freedom of speech is so scary. It means that we all are protected for saying what we want to say "in our own "homes". sometimes that's stuff that goes against who we are.
Problem is not the content ,it is which methods you use,thats exactly where the line goes.
+ I can tell to my class that raping is bad,mkay.
other teacher shows them and goes to jail,somewhere there is a line.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
You know, I get into arguments like these two or three times a year and its the same thing every time. I never said you should be censored. I never said you can't say what you wanna say.
All I'm saying is that we as a society need to try an understand where other people are coming from. That would solve so many problems with oppression and intolerance. But it seems so difficult for people to take a minute just to see that.
All you guys are saying is basically:
"I don't have a problem so its not a problem" "If I did have a problem with it, Id just ignore it" "I wouldnt hang around a place I didnt like, so it goes the same for this situation" "If I was raped, I wouldnt care if someone made jokes" "Hell I have cancer and I make cancer jokes so whats the big deal" "All these people are trying to censor me" "You need your head checked if you are offended by this" "Your problem is that you have become brainwashed by whatever societal abnormalities I see going on in your country"
Its just a bunch of "me,me,me,I,I,I, you should do this".
Seriously take a moment to let down your guard. Realise that nobody is trying to change you. All that Im asking is to practice some empathy.
Unfortunately, we have perverted empathy to the point that we defend intolerance.. and we do it in the name of tolerance.
I'm not going to reply to or read this thread anymore. I should have stuck with my initial reaction to the disclaimer. Thanks Bill, for talking me out of it lol, dick!
Problem is not the content ,it is which methods you use,thats exactly where the line goes.
Ok, so in the case of this example it was their own comic strip. This strip wasn't emblazoned on every website on the net, wasn't posted in widely seen newspapers like the New York Times or The Times, wasn't on billboards.
It was on their site. And some of their comics can be considered tasteless. People should know that they don't pull punches and they might say something that eventually insults someone. If people don't like it they shouldn't patronize their site. And if they don't know it they will find out soon enough and should stop visiting their site.
and if they "really" don't like it they should boycott PAX.
This is good stuff, this is the stuff people should be doing. Not saying they can't say it.
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Problem is not the content ,it is which methods you use,thats exactly where the line goes.
Ok, so in the case of this example it was their own comic strip. This strip wasn't emblazoned on every website on the net, wasn't posted in widely seen newspapers like the New York Times or The Times, wasn't on billboards.
It was on their site. And some of their comics can be considered tasteless. People should know that they don't pull punches and they might say something that eventually insults someone. If people don't like it they shouldn't patronize their site. And if they don't know it they will find out soon enough and should stop visiting their site.
and if they "really" don't like it they should boycott PAX.
This is good stuff, this is the stuff people should be doing. Not saying they can't say it.
So if you dont get publicity its ok to do whatever you want? no sorry it does not work that way.
I dont even know what PAX is,just saw someone here writing something horrible.
And if you like that stuff what they are doing well good for you.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Problem is not the content ,it is which methods you use,thats exactly where the line goes.
Ok, so in the case of this example it was their own comic strip. This strip wasn't emblazoned on every website on the net, wasn't posted in widely seen newspapers like the New York Times or The Times, wasn't on billboards.
It was on their site. And some of their comics can be considered tasteless. People should know that they don't pull punches and they might say something that eventually insults someone. If people don't like it they shouldn't patronize their site. And if they don't know it they will find out soon enough and should stop visiting their site.
and if they "really" don't like it they should boycott PAX.
This is good stuff, this is the stuff people should be doing. Not saying they can't say it.
So if you dont get publicity its ok to do whatever you want? no sorry it does not work that way.
I dont even know what PAX is,just saw someone here writing something horrible.
And if you like that stuff what they are doing well good for you.
What the heck are you talking about? You just took our interaction to some "other place".
Do not put words into my mouth.
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Problem is not the content ,it is which methods you use,thats exactly where the line goes.
Ok, so in the case of this example it was their own comic strip. This strip wasn't emblazoned on every website on the net, wasn't posted in widely seen newspapers like the New York Times or The Times, wasn't on billboards.
It was on their site. And some of their comics can be considered tasteless. People should know that they don't pull punches and they might say something that eventually insults someone. If people don't like it they shouldn't patronize their site. And if they don't know it they will find out soon enough and should stop visiting their site.
and if they "really" don't like it they should boycott PAX.
This is good stuff, this is the stuff people should be doing. Not saying they can't say it.
So if you dont get publicity its ok to do whatever you want? no sorry it does not work that way.
I dont even know what PAX is,just saw someone here writing something horrible.
And if you like that stuff what they are doing well good for you.
What the heck are you talking about? You just took our interaction to some "other place".
Do not put words into my mouth.
Ah what did you try to say then?
Like it was their inside joke and was not for public audience?
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Like it was their inside joke and was not for public?
I would say that it was for their audience. Anyone can be a part of their audience but anyone can also opt "not" to be part of their audience.
Just like there are comics who say things that are crude/crass/with bad taste and just like there are people who like their shows or who don't like their shows and then vote with their wallet.
So, for example, there is an old comic named Andrew Dice Clay. I don't find him funny as he is just "about" being tasteless. Southpark is also considered tasteless but I feel they are more clever in their delivery and there is some intelligence to their jokes. I can watch southpark but won't bother with Andrew Dice Clay.
However, I don't believe his act should be stopped. For those who like it great. For those who don't, they can be like me and not patronize his work.
Just like you play video games and there are those out there who might have problems with some of the games you like. If they spoke out against those games you liked and thought that they should be shut down is that "ok"? Should they lobby to shut down the games/keep from development, the types of games you like?
Now, I'm making a leap here and I apologize for the assumption (now I"m making assumptions) but I am assuming you play violent video games that might have drugs/alcohol and various degrees of sexuality (even if that's just scantily clad people).
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Like it was their inside joke and was not for public?
I would say that it was for their audience. Anyone can be a part of their audience but anyone can also opt "not" to be part of their audience.
Just like there are comics who say things that are crude/crass/with bad taste and just like there are people who like their shows are who don't like their shows and then vote with their wallet.
So, for example, there is an old comic named Andrew Dice Clay. I don't find him funny as he just just about being tasteless. Southpark is also considered tasteless but I feel they are more clever in their delivery and there is some intelligence to their jokes. I can watch southpark but won't bother with Andrew Dice Clay.
However, I don't believe his act should be stopped. For those who like it great. For those who dont', they can be like me and no patronize his work.
Just like you play video games and there are those out there who might have problems with some of the games you like. If they spoke out against those games you liked and thought that they should be shut down is that "ok"? Should they lobby to shut down the games/keep from development, the types of games you like?
Now, I'm making a leap here and I apologize for the assumption (now I"m making assumptions) but I am assuming you play violent video games that might have drugs/alcohol and various degrees of sexuality (even if that's just scantily clad people).
Well thats where the problem is,i did not write this topic,im not the OP.
Bad news is not that bad if you dont know anything about it hehe or good news.
About your leap over there,yea i play games like that,but those things are not here because of the methods used.
What happens in games happens in peoples minds and there those should stay.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
You know, I get into arguments like these two or three times a year and its the same thing every time. I never said you should be censored. I never said you can't say what you wanna say.
All I'm saying is that we as a society need to try an understand where other people are coming from. That would solve so many problems with oppression and intolerance. But it seems so difficult for people to take a minute just to see that.
All you guys are saying is basically:
"I don't have a problem so its not a problem" "If I did have a problem with it, Id just ignore it" "I wouldnt hang around a place I didnt like, so it goes the same for this situation" "If I was raped, I wouldnt care if someone made jokes" "Hell I have cancer and I make cancer jokes so whats the big deal" "All these people are trying to censor me" "You need your head checked if you are offended by this" "Your problem is that you have become brainwashed by whatever societal abnormalities I see going on in your country"
Its just a bunch of "me,me,me,I,I,I, you should do this".
Seriously take a moment to let down your guard. Realise that nobody is trying to change you. All that Im asking is to practice some empathy.
Unfortunately, we have perverted empathy to the point that we defend intolerance.. and we do it in the name of tolerance.
I'm not going to reply to or read this thread anymore. I should have stuck with my initial reaction to the disclaimer. Thanks Bill, for talking me out of it lol, dick!
Even though your not gonna reply I'm still gonna answer this.
Not once did I say anything you have in quotes.Not once did I say someone who has been raped or know someone that does doesn't have the right to complain and feel any way they want about anything.
I did ask whether your solution to keeping everyone safe from reading anything that might offend them was to sanitize or censor everything.That would make the world a very boring but very safe place.
No one here has said they don't have empathy for rape victims or any other victimized group.Just because they think someone should be able to use rape in a joke doesn't mean they support rape or lack empathy for the raped.That's like saying someone that makes a joke about Syria right now supports Tyranny and Chemical Weapon attacks or lacks empathy for the victims of those attacks or the millions of refugees pouring out of Syria.That's ludicrous.
No one here has said they don't have empathy for rape victims or any other victimized group.Just because they think someone should be able to use rape in a joke doesn't mean they support rape or lack empathy for the raped.That's like saying someone that makes a joke about Syria right now supports Tyranny and Chemical Weapon attacks or lacks empathy for the victims of those attacks or the millions of refugees pouring out of Syria.That's ludicrous.
Well said.
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What happens in games happens in peoples minds and there they should stay.
And if I'm understanding you correctly I would agree. I love it and it's a great sentiment.
However, there are going to be people who point to you and say "because you play x games you condone their messages of violence and misogyny and the use of drugs and etc (whatever the game has).
And I don't believe for one minute you do.
So that's why I don't believe in censorship. I just believe in people staying out of places they don't want to be in and I believe in people saying their piece but not seeking to force it down anyone's throat.
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No one here has said they don't have empathy for rape victims or any other victimized group.Just because they think someone should be able to use rape in a joke doesn't mean they support rape or lack empathy for the raped.That's like saying someone that makes a joke about Syria right now supports Tyranny and Chemical Weapon attacks or lacks empathy for the victims of those attacks or the millions of refugees pouring out of Syria.That's ludicrous.
What happens in games happens in peoples minds and there they should stay.
And if I'm understanding you correctly I would agree. I love it and it's a great sentiment.
However, there are going to be people who point to you and say "because you play x games you condone their messages of violence and misogyny and the use of drugs and etc (whatever the game has).
And I don't believe for one minute you do.
So that's why I don't believe in censorship. I just believe in people staying out of places they don't want to be in and I believe in people saying their piece but not seeking to force it down anyone's throat.
Thats what i tried to say to Mr.Spock.
Lets imagine that im on the bus for example and say to my friend that "lets rob this bus and drive it to China" as a joke, not a good one but anyways,then i stand up and tell that to everyone.
Would be better to e-mail my terrible joke to the people who would like to hear it.
They tried to teach childrens with those methods still at 80´s and we got wiser and figured out that it does not work it actually has the opposite effect.
I dont know which one would be better,censorhip or let everybody to say /do what they are thinking.
I prefer censorship.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
What happens in games happens in peoples minds and there they should stay.
And if I'm understanding you correctly I would agree. I love it and it's a great sentiment.
However, there are going to be people who point to you and say "because you play x games you condone their messages of violence and misogyny and the use of drugs and etc (whatever the game has).
And I don't believe for one minute you do.
So that's why I don't believe in censorship. I just believe in people staying out of places they don't want to be in and I believe in people saying their piece but not seeking to force it down anyone's throat.
Thats what i tried to say to Mr.Spock.
Lets imagine that im on the bus for example and say to my friend that "lets rob this bus and drive it to China" as a joke, not a good one but anyways,then i stand up and tell that to everyone.
Would be better to e-mail my terrible joke to the people who would like to hear it.
They tried to teach childrens with those methods still at 80´s and we got wiser and figured out that it does not work it actually has the opposite effect.
I dont know which one would be better,censorhip or let everybody to say /do what they are thinking.
I prefer censorship.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
This is really two stories: the first being the infamous 'Dickwolf' Penny Arcade strip, the other the consequent reactions to said and the ensuing actions and replies. For now I am only addressing the first issue.
What needs to be firmly established prior to any intelligent debate being capable is that the joke was not about rape. The joke was about the dubious morality of the often found quest "Free the prisoners". The hero doing the bare minimum to complete a quest is the root of the humor. He doesn't actually care about the prisoners in the least; he is doing the right thing for personal gain instead of altruism. Thus, he is not moral at all despite engaging in "heroic" behavior.
That is the joke.
The joke could have been about rape. If the prisoner had stated that his life could not get any worse, and then the hero proceeded to rape him, the rape itself would have been the punchline. That, however, is not what occurred.
Instead, the mention of rape, in context, is merely an amplifier used to heighten the viewer's understanding of the prisoner's terrible situation.
Other words could have been used. He could be murdered if not freed. Starved. Beaten. The possibilites are infinite.
So why not use one of those words? Most likely a victim of rape would not appreciate the intended humor. Changing that one word would prevent needless mental anguish, however big or small.
So let's say they changed the amplifier to starved. The victims of rape are spared.
But now, what about the person struggling with bulimia or anorexia? Switch it to murder. Now the person who lost a loved one to murder is made uncomfortable or worse.
Well, simply don't publish the strip then. Then nobody gets hurt.
But then no one gets their day brightened by the comic either.
***
Humor often comes at the expense of others. We laugh because it is not us being used as the source of merriment. Comedy is drama at another's expense. Artists of all stripes could not possibly self-censor their works so that no one was at risk of being offended. Nothing of value would be created.
And in regards to humor, tastes run the entire spectrum of human potential. What you find funny I may not, and vice versa.
In the end, the artist must be allowed to create. If he is found to be offensive, then that is an issue rooted in the viewer, and the viewer himself has the choice to continue his patronage of said, ask the artist to refrain from what is found offensive in the future, or to boycott. And since the artist cannot possibly cater to everyone, the artist's responsibility ultimately becomes to cater to himself and himself alone.
The onus is on the audience: do not support art you find objectionable.
But what was objectionable about this comic? There was no intent to harm. There was no premeditation to offend. Only by taking one word, and then stripping it of the surrounding context, is something that is almost universally reviled created. It is akin to saying that 'The Adventures of Tom Sawyer' is racist propaganda because the 'n-word' is used. It is a ridiculous argument.
Yet this is the argument many have chosen. That is certainly their right. I think they are harming art more than anything though. I believe that what they think they are fighting and what actually occurred are two separate things. Rape is a terrible thing. I conclude that energies spent against the Dickwolf comic could be better used elsewhere. Perhaps that is the real tragedy here.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
90% of comedy is making light of either your own misfortunes, or those of others. It's a perfectly healthy way of dealing with the terrible things which happen in this world on a daily basis. If we couldn't laugh about some of these situations, we'd all be near-suicidally depressed & taking psychotropic drugs by the handful every morning (hell, there are already people who do that as it is).
I would also like to say, loud and clear, that you do NOT have the right to never be offended. People always have, and always will say things that somebody, somewhere, will find offensive. If you don't like it, don't listen to that person. Walk away, change the station, put down the book, stop supporting the company, etc.
If I take care of myself, I could be around for another 50 or more years given sufficient advancements in medical technology (and God willing, of course). I'm not going to spend that time walking on eggshells just because some oversensitive twit might get offended by one of my viewpoints, jokes, opinions, or statements.
I'm so sick of the ridiculous levels of political correctness these days. Even a racial slur used in a non-racist fashion can completely obliterate somebody's entire life. To me that's more offensive than any amount of jokes about rape.
Putting aside the absolutely disgusting lack of empathy, you so called first amendment champions are just as close-minded as the ridiculous feminist that spell woman with a y. You support the first amendment when it's something that entertains you (like rape, apparently) but the minute someone speaks out against your ThomasJefferson guaranteed right to laugh at rape , you want that person to shut up and go away. Just like every other selfish special snowflake the only viewpoints you see as valid are your own and you are quick to to bravely bully and harass others who don't share your viewpoints. You know, the first amendment is an either or thing. Either everyone is entitled to express their opinions or no-one is. you are just as free to not read anti-tape articles as this offended by tape jokes are to avoid humor they find tasteless. If you aren't capable of recognizing the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty you are demonstrating by trying to silence critics, then you're probably on the intellectual level of someone who enjoys a good rape joke but reacts to critical thinking and reasoning like a vampire reacts to the sun.
You guys just don't get it.. and sadly so many of you think it's cute and funny to perpetuate a hostile and uncomfortable space for women gamers.. this article wasn't about the old comic strip it was about the disgusting community reaction that is repeating itself right here..
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No they don't and that's because it's "public space" and that wouldn't be appropriate.
and if you mean "real rape" as in actual people getting raped then that's not only abhorrent but also illegal.
But people don't get prosecuted/arrested for showing movies depicting rape as long as it's in a private space.
That's the difference that people need to understand.
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Point is that there is lines that should not be crossed.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Ok that's great. What are those lines?
Answer the question I asked foomerang. Because by playing violent video games with alchol and drugs and sexuality you are crossing those lines.
To my mind the lines that shouldn't be cross are forcing this stuff into people's faces without allowing them to remove themselves from it.
Meaning let their be sites, books, movies, you name the venue that has this stuff and allow people the chance not to patronize it.
And if someone makes a rape joke in general public then he/she should know better. If it's their own venue then people should have the right to not go there or allowed to speak out against them. That's fine. But that's the choice of the person who is disseminating the content. They risk losing people going to/patronizing their venue.
Once again freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not" allowing people to say what they want to say in their own homes (or spaces) as long as it fits into your definition of what can be said".
That's why freedom of speech is so scary. It means that we all are protected for saying what we want to say "in our own "homes". Sometimes that's stuff that goes against who we are.
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Problem is not the content ,it is which methods you use,thats exactly where the line goes.
+ I can tell to my class that raping is bad,mkay.
other teacher shows them and goes to jail,somewhere there is a line.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
You know, I get into arguments like these two or three times a year and its the same thing every time. I never said you should be censored. I never said you can't say what you wanna say.
All I'm saying is that we as a society need to try an understand where other people are coming from. That would solve so many problems with oppression and intolerance. But it seems so difficult for people to take a minute just to see that.
All you guys are saying is basically:
"I don't have a problem so its not a problem"
"If I did have a problem with it, Id just ignore it"
"I wouldnt hang around a place I didnt like, so it goes the same for this situation"
"If I was raped, I wouldnt care if someone made jokes"
"Hell I have cancer and I make cancer jokes so whats the big deal"
"All these people are trying to censor me"
"You need your head checked if you are offended by this"
"Your problem is that you have become brainwashed by whatever societal abnormalities I see going on in your country"
Its just a bunch of "me,me,me,I,I,I, you should do this".
Seriously take a moment to let down your guard. Realise that nobody is trying to change you. All that Im asking is to practice some empathy.
Unfortunately, we have perverted empathy to the point that we defend intolerance.. and we do it in the name of tolerance.
I'm not going to reply to or read this thread anymore. I should have stuck with my initial reaction to the disclaimer. Thanks Bill, for talking me out of it lol, dick!
Ok, so in the case of this example it was their own comic strip. This strip wasn't emblazoned on every website on the net, wasn't posted in widely seen newspapers like the New York Times or The Times, wasn't on billboards.
It was on their site. And some of their comics can be considered tasteless. People should know that they don't pull punches and they might say something that eventually insults someone. If people don't like it they shouldn't patronize their site. And if they don't know it they will find out soon enough and should stop visiting their site.
and if they "really" don't like it they should boycott PAX.
This is good stuff, this is the stuff people should be doing. Not saying they can't say it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
So if you dont get publicity its ok to do whatever you want? no sorry it does not work that way.
I dont even know what PAX is,just saw someone here writing something horrible.
And if you like that stuff what they are doing well good for you.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
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What the heck are you talking about? You just took our interaction to some "other place".
Do not put words into my mouth.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Ah what did you try to say then?
Like it was their inside joke and was not for public audience?
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
I would say that it was for their audience. Anyone can be a part of their audience but anyone can also opt "not" to be part of their audience.
Just like there are comics who say things that are crude/crass/with bad taste and just like there are people who like their shows or who don't like their shows and then vote with their wallet.
So, for example, there is an old comic named Andrew Dice Clay. I don't find him funny as he is just "about" being tasteless. Southpark is also considered tasteless but I feel they are more clever in their delivery and there is some intelligence to their jokes. I can watch southpark but won't bother with Andrew Dice Clay.
However, I don't believe his act should be stopped. For those who like it great. For those who don't, they can be like me and not patronize his work.
Just like you play video games and there are those out there who might have problems with some of the games you like. If they spoke out against those games you liked and thought that they should be shut down is that "ok"? Should they lobby to shut down the games/keep from development, the types of games you like?
Now, I'm making a leap here and I apologize for the assumption (now I"m making assumptions) but I am assuming you play violent video games that might have drugs/alcohol and various degrees of sexuality (even if that's just scantily clad people).
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Well thats where the problem is,i did not write this topic,im not the OP.
Bad news is not that bad if you dont know anything about it hehe or good news.
About your leap over there,yea i play games like that,but those things are not here because of the methods used.
What happens in games happens in peoples minds and there those should stay.
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Even though your not gonna reply I'm still gonna answer this.
Not once did I say anything you have in quotes.Not once did I say someone who has been raped or know someone that does doesn't have the right to complain and feel any way they want about anything.
I did ask whether your solution to keeping everyone safe from reading anything that might offend them was to sanitize or censor everything.That would make the world a very boring but very safe place.
No one here has said they don't have empathy for rape victims or any other victimized group.Just because they think someone should be able to use rape in a joke doesn't mean they support rape or lack empathy for the raped.That's like saying someone that makes a joke about Syria right now supports Tyranny and Chemical Weapon attacks or lacks empathy for the victims of those attacks or the millions of refugees pouring out of Syria.That's ludicrous.
Well said.
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And if I'm understanding you correctly I would agree. I love it and it's a great sentiment.
However, there are going to be people who point to you and say "because you play x games you condone their messages of violence and misogyny and the use of drugs and etc (whatever the game has).
And I don't believe for one minute you do.
So that's why I don't believe in censorship. I just believe in people staying out of places they don't want to be in and I believe in people saying their piece but not seeking to force it down anyone's throat.
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+1
Thats what i tried to say to Mr.Spock.
Lets imagine that im on the bus for example and say to my friend that "lets rob this bus and drive it to China" as a joke, not a good one but anyways,then i stand up and tell that to everyone.
Would be better to e-mail my terrible joke to the people who would like to hear it.
They tried to teach childrens with those methods still at 80´s and we got wiser and figured out that it does not work it actually has the opposite effect.
I dont know which one would be better,censorhip or let everybody to say /do what they are thinking.
I prefer censorship.
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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
This is really two stories: the first being the infamous 'Dickwolf' Penny Arcade strip, the other the consequent reactions to said and the ensuing actions and replies. For now I am only addressing the first issue.
What needs to be firmly established prior to any intelligent debate being capable is that the joke was not about rape. The joke was about the dubious morality of the often found quest "Free the prisoners". The hero doing the bare minimum to complete a quest is the root of the humor. He doesn't actually care about the prisoners in the least; he is doing the right thing for personal gain instead of altruism. Thus, he is not moral at all despite engaging in "heroic" behavior.
That is the joke.
The joke could have been about rape. If the prisoner had stated that his life could not get any worse, and then the hero proceeded to rape him, the rape itself would have been the punchline. That, however, is not what occurred.
Instead, the mention of rape, in context, is merely an amplifier used to heighten the viewer's understanding of the prisoner's terrible situation.
Other words could have been used. He could be murdered if not freed. Starved. Beaten. The possibilites are infinite.
So why not use one of those words? Most likely a victim of rape would not appreciate the intended humor. Changing that one word would prevent needless mental anguish, however big or small.
So let's say they changed the amplifier to starved. The victims of rape are spared.
But now, what about the person struggling with bulimia or anorexia? Switch it to murder. Now the person who lost a loved one to murder is made uncomfortable or worse.
Well, simply don't publish the strip then. Then nobody gets hurt.
But then no one gets their day brightened by the comic either.
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Humor often comes at the expense of others. We laugh because it is not us being used as the source of merriment. Comedy is drama at another's expense. Artists of all stripes could not possibly self-censor their works so that no one was at risk of being offended. Nothing of value would be created.
And in regards to humor, tastes run the entire spectrum of human potential. What you find funny I may not, and vice versa.
In the end, the artist must be allowed to create. If he is found to be offensive, then that is an issue rooted in the viewer, and the viewer himself has the choice to continue his patronage of said, ask the artist to refrain from what is found offensive in the future, or to boycott. And since the artist cannot possibly cater to everyone, the artist's responsibility ultimately becomes to cater to himself and himself alone.
The onus is on the audience: do not support art you find objectionable.
But what was objectionable about this comic? There was no intent to harm. There was no premeditation to offend. Only by taking one word, and then stripping it of the surrounding context, is something that is almost universally reviled created. It is akin to saying that 'The Adventures of Tom Sawyer' is racist propaganda because the 'n-word' is used. It is a ridiculous argument.
Yet this is the argument many have chosen. That is certainly their right. I think they are harming art more than anything though. I believe that what they think they are fighting and what actually occurred are two separate things. Rape is a terrible thing. I conclude that energies spent against the Dickwolf comic could be better used elsewhere. Perhaps that is the real tragedy here.
Another questionable topic call.
You know how Politics are against your policies?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
90% of comedy is making light of either your own misfortunes, or those of others. It's a perfectly healthy way of dealing with the terrible things which happen in this world on a daily basis. If we couldn't laugh about some of these situations, we'd all be near-suicidally depressed & taking psychotropic drugs by the handful every morning (hell, there are already people who do that as it is).
I would also like to say, loud and clear, that you do NOT have the right to never be offended. People always have, and always will say things that somebody, somewhere, will find offensive. If you don't like it, don't listen to that person. Walk away, change the station, put down the book, stop supporting the company, etc.
If I take care of myself, I could be around for another 50 or more years given sufficient advancements in medical technology (and God willing, of course). I'm not going to spend that time walking on eggshells just because some oversensitive twit might get offended by one of my viewpoints, jokes, opinions, or statements.
I'm so sick of the ridiculous levels of political correctness these days. Even a racial slur used in a non-racist fashion can completely obliterate somebody's entire life. To me that's more offensive than any amount of jokes about rape.