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There Should Be A Petition For A True Open World Experience And Non-Restricted Open World PVP
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2 games that have succeeded, so here's 2 that failed.
the war Z, rising force online.
i would have offered more, but it looks like all thats left are "open world pvp" korean grinders.
A petition is no place to start. A petition and $5 Million US is a good place to start. A petition and $11 million is an even better start.
I'm pretty sure you could find a company to build you a grief-ridden paradise if you put up the development money, Companies don't want to finance a headache with their own money. And I'm certain they'd stick you with the ongoing operations and support costs as an extra bonus. Companies certainly don't see any profitability in niche markets. That's why I'm not clamoring for a RP-only paradise.
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Actually it's not.
If we accept your premise as true then it's only logical that you would take part in some sort of war.
In no way, shape or form does that imply it has to be with other players. It could be against npc armies.
The only logic there is that you are twisting thing to suit your tastes, nothing more.
That last sentence is just so amazing. It's as if we weren't in the 21st century.
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Again Open world PVP is not Full loot pvp. World of Warcraft pvp servers are open world pvp, which are half the total servers. Rift has open world PVP servers as do most if not all of the top mmorpgs in the market east of west including both Lineage games as well.
Its a false positive and circular non logic to win some pro DAOC talking point. If they put full loot in a DAOC clone no one would say its open world would they. Ridiculous.
Komandor,
I understand how much you are looking for a massive multiplayer online roleplaying game that receives success off it's PvP element. I agree that it can be done, but I don't believe that any current iteration will attract the players who dislike it. And your argument isn't anything we've already discussed before. Sorry, but you sound like a broken record that I've heard for over 10 years.
My dream PvP game relies more on both hardcore and casual gamers. I'd love to see a large sandbox MMORPG that's easy to play, yet hard to master. Having free-for-all PvP would be required, yet the ability for owners of land(kingdoms, cities, towns, etc) could set the local law whether it be more or less of a strict rule set. I think this would create a dynamic game world, and realism that you desire. Large cities and provinces civil with strict laws on the "murder" of other players is something I'd like to see. Laws that could banish your player-character for days or weeks from a server if caught. Yet, there are more barbaric lands where only the strong survive and great rewards are to be EARNED.
But your description of The Elder Scrolls, and the land of Tamriel is a wild idea that doesn't make sense. To me anyway. Even in war(especially in Tamriel's history) there is still justice being served. Not to mention there is always consequence in "causing" death. In fact, the Bosmer dislike war because of their beliefs and traditions. It is believed that a Bosmer must not allow any source of meat to go to waste.....any. Therefore the enemy a Wood Elf defeats, he also consumes.
Tiber Septim's Empire ruled every province in Tamriel(or at least parts of them) at one point during the 3rd era. But it wasn't just because he was able to take over other lands with might; his words, and the words of his diplomats changed the hearts of both Man, Mer, and Beast.
Typically most players do not want to be civilized.
One of the reasons why EVE Online has a very successful PvP element is because many players share a common morality. Not to mention the difficulty and theme of the game has made it a niche playing-type. This has helped create a more mature community. I've played EVE Online myself. I can tell you that there were some PvP experiences I had that I never would even encounter in something that was a "commercial success" because the demographic. I've been given warning shots several times, escorted out of areas I shouldn't be in, held for ransom, robbed, and even bartered for my life. None of that has happened in any other MMORPG I've played.
I hope you find your dream PvP game, but I hope your idea of a free for all does not make it into my beloved world of Tamriel that I adore so much.
Regards,
UO hit its peak 2 years after trammel. It was an effort to compete for the players that left for EQ. Eve isn't set up like what most of those advocating ffa pvp seem to want. They have fairly harsh consequences for pvp in "safer" zones. I love EvE's setup and would play that in a fantasy setting gladly. But this isn't what the OP was describing and isn't usually what people think of when talking about open world pvp, but that seems to have more to do with the fairly bitter ideological divide between those that want ffa pvp and more "set aside" pvp.
Starting zones should be safe but after that one should be able to fight other players, yes call it ganking or whatever but those random pvp fights usually are the most fun.
Ofcourse there should be an option before starting your character:
* Yes, I want to be able to fight players from the opposing faction in all zones except starting zones. WARNING SIGN!!! People will be able to kill your character when they spot you!!!
* No, I do not want to fight other players except when I enter Cyrodiil.
And what ever option you choose you will have to stick to that option for a while. (ex: a couple of months before being able to switch again or to pay some micro transaction)
I would easily check:
* Yes, I want to be able to fight players from the opposing faction in all zones except starting zones. - Checked
Have read the warning sign. - Checked
* RP - Checked
* Group dungeons - Checked
Open world, unrestricted pvp in a level based game is NOT fun. One, gankers taking on players several to many levels below them is NOT skill. Other players purposely interrupting the play session of some else that does not desire to pvp is the biggest turn off to many gamers. If you want open world pvp, play CoD or BF.
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I'm all for open world and pvp, but it is very important that much thought is put into the concept and that it has a very well balanced ruleset as to not upset the PVE players and not over punish the PVP players, that being said I agree with what others here have said, just move along, there are other games that are having these types of ideas, i'm really keeping an eye on Star Citizen atm as the death and PVP system is sounding very unique and EVE "like" with a more PVE spin and the developer seems to be listening to the community and modifying the idea which is essential till it is fine tuned to perfection.
Elder Scrolls Online is going to be created for the masses in a very streamlined way, no sense in fighting to try and get it changed as i'm sure the developer has neither the desire to take the time to fine tune it nor the courage. Just move along, there are other games out there that are trying to do this, no need griefing the players that know what it will be and are excited for it.
Totally agree with OP. Solely for immersion gameplay reasons and previous TES experience. If Cyrodil has to be level scaled, let it be, but restricting other players from seeing each other in enemy zones, no please. Too many "magical" limitation just brakes the general RPG immersion, its like developers and game system designer are lazy and don't want to make an effort to implement balancing systems that can blend all player levels together or naturally protect low level players with NPC guard systems etc. It's easire to just set "invisible walls" and barrier mechanics to balance gameplay and to simply cater from 7 to 90 year old community, with hoarder hamster mentality.
Still, to cut all the rant
I will try ESO, dev efforts still could be worthwhile trying 
Unfortunately for me my favorite MMOs are PvP but I don't like PvP UNLESS its specific war between alliances.
I have never understood why open world and non-hand holdings has always got to mean PvP.
The industry seems to think players either want cartoon with a road map on how to do everything or they want an open world, good crafting engine, player run economy and the ability to mess with other people.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I played age of wushu and never had no problem with griefers when you get high level you can pk them anyway. 99% of griefers are kids who can't pvp so the grief newbs, the trick is simple get better and pk them. Everyone who argues for no open world pvp has quite obviously never gave a open world pvp game a chance. Bounty systems, red marked players are fair game for everyone and time out for murders are systems that can adequately stamp out griefers without making yet another carebear mmo. I mean do you really want to pve with a program that's designed to lose to you?? What happened to enjoying a challenge?? Games are being made lame now cuz the mainstream player base is lame. Fix up so we can get a real mmo. I mean. Destiny. The division.
Yep see DFUW for proof and even the Op who wants that type of PVP won't play that game.
DFUW needs your money an caters to just your play style its over there go sign up, Bubye!
Seriously kinda funny players that claim they want full loot open world pvp don't even play in the said niche games that cater to that style and then they whine why no one makes more games that cater to that play style.
Don't lump all developers into where these guys are. DaoC produced some of the worst developers in the genre, they are the only ones I can think of that has not learned anything new in terms of MMO design.
Compare them to anyone else, anyone, and you see growth and new ideas. TESO however isn't bringing a single innovation, not even gaming sites that kiss up to them have articles talking about a single thing that is in TESO that is new to the genre. That says all that needs to be said about them.
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